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ninerfanwheelz
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| Psychlone wrote: | | ninerfanwheelz wrote: | | oldman9er wrote: | | cHaInBrEaKeRiii wrote: |
Goldson is proven and all but he's not worth the money he's asking for. With our D we can get a decent guy and fill that need with significantly less money. |
Short and perfectly explained...  |
Yeah I would LOVE to sign him long term, just not for the money he wants. |
Agreed but I'd be more inclined to pay the man if he does it again next year. Granted for more money than we presumably would have to pay now but that's the gamble Baalke seems willing to take. He and Marathe hasn't given me any reason to doubt them yet... |
Well put.
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| Frisco$finest wrote: | | cHaInBrEaKeRiii wrote: | | steadypimpin wrote: | I don't understand. We have a great safety in Dashon and you guys would rather roll the dice on an unproven rookie? I don't get this philosophy.
The same guys who don't care about letting a PROVEN player walk are the same guys who stuck up for an UNPROVEN question mark at QB. I get it now. |
Goldson is proven and all but he's not worth the money he's asking for. With our D we can get a decent guy and fill that need with significantly less money. |
I agree. It's the Baltimore Ravens type of mentality. I think back to Adalius Thomas. They let him walk and found a way to replace him. They have done this year after year (not all being pro bowl players) and because the foundation stayed the same they were able to find replacement through good drafting and signings. |
I understand the logic, but what is the foundation of the ravens? Ngata, Lewis and Ed Reed.
I would say the niners foundation is similar J Smith, Willis and Goldson.
Not saying he is as good as reed, but you have 3 levels on that defense and those 3 are your leaders at each level
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| oldman9er wrote: | | Frisco$finest wrote: |
I agree. It's the Baltimore Ravens type of mentality. I think back to Adalius Thomas. They let him walk and found a way to replace him. They have done this year after year (not all being pro bowl players) and because the foundation stayed the same they were able to find replacement through good drafting and signings. |
I think back to Aubrayo Franklin. People were freaking out that we were not overpaying for his services. He left... has sucked... and Sopo stepped in to make the D even better.
Goldson is good but replaceable... plus, he has that type of ego that a GM has to hesitate on in giving loads of guaranteed money to.
We gotta start looking at the 2013 cap room, and we can't hold onto every good player that wants a huge payday. |
Franklin was replaced by a guy who had some experience in the organization so some of the leftover staff already knew what they got in Sop. If u guys are more comfy with Spillmn your crazy IMO. The transition would not be as easy for a FS coming into the organization.
As far as his ego goes I would say you are type casting a bit there we don't know what the dude is like n the locker room, he always is pretty humble in interviews and he isn't out blasting the organization. He already said without a deal he be there playing for the niners so until he decides he isn't going to show on 7/26 I won't say he has an ego. He may be flamboyant on the field but your grasping at straws, I mean find me a player who doesn't have some sort of a celebration for doing anything these days.
I agree that there has to be an odd man out I just would rather keep Goldson over Brooks, I like Brooks but I think those sacks could be made up in other areas, especially after the guys that were drafted.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:33 am Post subject: |
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| clarkfn2284 wrote: | | oldman9er wrote: | | Frisco$finest wrote: |
I agree. It's the Baltimore Ravens type of mentality. I think back to Adalius Thomas. They let him walk and found a way to replace him. They have done this year after year (not all being pro bowl players) and because the foundation stayed the same they were able to find replacement through good drafting and signings. |
I think back to Aubrayo Franklin. People were freaking out that we were not overpaying for his services. He left... has sucked... and Sopo stepped in to make the D even better.
Goldson is good but replaceable... plus, he has that type of ego that a GM has to hesitate on in giving loads of guaranteed money to.
We gotta start looking at the 2013 cap room, and we can't hold onto every good player that wants a huge payday. |
Franklin was replaced by a guy who had some experience in the organization so some of the leftover staff already knew what they got in Sop. If u guys are more comfy with Spillmn your crazy IMO. The transition would not be as easy for a FS coming into the organization.
As far as his ego goes I would say you are type casting a bit there we don't know what the dude is like n the locker room, he always is pretty humble in interviews and he isn't out blasting the organization. He already said without a deal he be there playing for the niners so until he decides he isn't going to show on 7/26 I won't say he has an ego. He may be flamboyant on the field but your grasping at straws, I mean find me a player who doesn't have some sort of a celebration for doing anything these days.
I agree that there has to be an odd man out I just would rather keep Goldson over Brooks, I like Brooks but I think those sacks could be made up in other areas, especially after the guys that were drafted. |
Goldson is the most explosive player on the 49ers D. He makes the biggest hits and is in on lots of ints/pd. He also makes some mistakes, but playing it safe isn't his style and because of that he will always be polarizing for fans. I for one am a huge fan of the exiting plays he brings and the fear he strikes into opposing receivers little hearts. Needless to say, I think that Goldson deserves a decent contract that would keep him on the 49ers for the next 4-5 years. Clearly the FO has a plan, and they think they can either:
a. get him cheaper after the season or let him walk
b. will let him prove that he can continue to play at his current level
Either way, I'm ready for the season to start. This offseason seems slower than usual now that we have something to look forward to that exceeds the silly blind homerism we all seemed to subscribe to during our decade of drudgery.
Go niners!
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| clarkfn2284 wrote: | | Frisco$finest wrote: | | cHaInBrEaKeRiii wrote: | | steadypimpin wrote: | I don't understand. We have a great safety in Dashon and you guys would rather roll the dice on an unproven rookie? I don't get this philosophy.
The same guys who don't care about letting a PROVEN player walk are the same guys who stuck up for an UNPROVEN question mark at QB. I get it now. |
Goldson is proven and all but he's not worth the money he's asking for. With our D we can get a decent guy and fill that need with significantly less money. |
I agree. It's the Baltimore Ravens type of mentality. I think back to Adalius Thomas. They let him walk and found a way to replace him. They have done this year after year (not all being pro bowl players) and because the foundation stayed the same they were able to find replacement through good drafting and signings. |
I understand the logic, but what is the foundation of the ravens? Ngata, Lewis and Ed Reed.
I would say the niners foundation is similar J Smith, Willis and Goldson.
Not saying he is as good as reed, but you have 3 levels on that defense and those 3 are your leaders at each level |
That's where I disagree with you. I don't think Goldson is a top 3 player on our D. Justin Smith, Patrick Willis, Navorro, Aldon, RayMac, Carlos Rogers, Donte Whitner (yes) and Tarell Brown are all more important (to me) than Goldson to the success of the defense. Goldson is only at the right place at the right time, i.e., on the the niners' defense right now. Put him on any other defense and he doesn't shine as bright. He succeeds because we have these key players playing with him, not the other way around. I doubt QBs go into a play thinking: "Hey, let's hold onto the ball and risk being sacked because that amazing Dashon Goldson is back there." It's the other way around.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| Madmike wrote: | | clarkfn2284 wrote: | | oldman9er wrote: | | Frisco$finest wrote: |
I agree. It's the Baltimore Ravens type of mentality. I think back to Adalius Thomas. They let him walk and found a way to replace him. They have done this year after year (not all being pro bowl players) and because the foundation stayed the same they were able to find replacement through good drafting and signings. |
I think back to Aubrayo Franklin. People were freaking out that we were not overpaying for his services. He left... has sucked... and Sopo stepped in to make the D even better.
Goldson is good but replaceable... plus, he has that type of ego that a GM has to hesitate on in giving loads of guaranteed money to.
We gotta start looking at the 2013 cap room, and we can't hold onto every good player that wants a huge payday. |
Franklin was replaced by a guy who had some experience in the organization so some of the leftover staff already knew what they got in Sop. If u guys are more comfy with Spillmn your crazy IMO. The transition would not be as easy for a FS coming into the organization.
As far as his ego goes I would say you are type casting a bit there we don't know what the dude is like n the locker room, he always is pretty humble in interviews and he isn't out blasting the organization. He already said without a deal he be there playing for the niners so until he decides he isn't going to show on 7/26 I won't say he has an ego. He may be flamboyant on the field but your grasping at straws, I mean find me a player who doesn't have some sort of a celebration for doing anything these days.
I agree that there has to be an odd man out I just would rather keep Goldson over Brooks, I like Brooks but I think those sacks could be made up in other areas, especially after the guys that were drafted. |
Goldson is the most explosive player on the 49ers D. He makes the biggest hits and is in on lots of ints/pd. He also makes some mistakes, but playing it safe isn't his style and because of that he will always be polarizing for fans. I for one am a huge fan of the exiting plays he brings and the fear he strikes into opposing receivers little hearts. Needless to say, I think that Goldson deserves a decent contract that would keep him on the 49ers for the next 4-5 years. Clearly the FO has a plan, and they think they can either:
a. get him cheaper after the season or let him walk
b. will let him prove that he can continue to play at his current level
Either way, I'm ready for the season to start. This offseason seems slower than usual now that we have something to look forward to that exceeds the silly blind homerism we all seemed to subscribe to during our decade of drudgery.
Go niners! |
Yeah there's a guy named Patrick Willis that would laugh at that statement.
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| rudyZ wrote: | | clarkfn2284 wrote: | | Frisco$finest wrote: | | cHaInBrEaKeRiii wrote: | | steadypimpin wrote: | I don't understand. We have a great safety in Dashon and you guys would rather roll the dice on an unproven rookie? I don't get this philosophy.
The same guys who don't care about letting a PROVEN player walk are the same guys who stuck up for an UNPROVEN question mark at QB. I get it now. |
Goldson is proven and all but he's not worth the money he's asking for. With our D we can get a decent guy and fill that need with significantly less money. |
I agree. It's the Baltimore Ravens type of mentality. I think back to Adalius Thomas. They let him walk and found a way to replace him. They have done this year after year (not all being pro bowl players) and because the foundation stayed the same they were able to find replacement through good drafting and signings. |
I understand the logic, but what is the foundation of the ravens? Ngata, Lewis and Ed Reed.
I would say the niners foundation is similar J Smith, Willis and Goldson.
Not saying he is as good as reed, but you have 3 levels on that defense and those 3 are your leaders at each level |
That's where I disagree with you. I don't think Goldson is a top 3 player on our D. Justin Smith, Patrick Willis, Navorro, Aldon, RayMac, Carlos Rogers, Donte Whitner (yes) and Tarell Brown are all more important (to me) than Goldson to the success of the defense. Goldson is only at the right place at the right time, i.e., on the the niners' defense right now. Put him on any other defense and he doesn't shine as bright. He succeeds because we have these key players playing with him, not the other way around. I doubt QBs go into a play thinking: "Hey, let's hold onto the ball and risk being sacked because that amazing Dashon Goldson is back there." It's the other way around. |
Goldson was a monster blast year. I actually do think they are aware that Goldson is back there and don't want to give the ball to him. Goldson was a key part of this defense and its just crazy to think that he can be replaced with another guy like that. I hope he lights it up again and stays here. Goldson played very well before Harbaugh came, now that he has better coaching he lit it up. You have to acknowledge that at the very least. The potential was in him the whole time.
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I'd love for him to stay if we can consistently year after year get the kind of production we got from him last season, but I dont blame our front office one bit to let him show us that he can be that guy we sign long term. We've seen many times where players are one year wonders and teams sign them long term and suffer for it because they dont live up to the contract.
That being said, I do like Goldson and what he brings to the team. He did show some signs of good play the year before our new coaching staff came in and progressed even more when we got the new staff here so I dont see any reason for him to drop off in his play. Lets not forget franchised players get good money still for their positions. Right now I would say the ball is in Goldson's court, he plays well, he'll get that long term contract he's seeking since our front office rewards our own guys that do well.
I'm less worried about Goldson than I'm worried about Bowman, its rare to see 2 good ILB's on a team and most teams dont pay 2 ILB's big money.
He could use a little better awareness on his aggressive hits too, alot of people place last's year's NFC champ game loss solely on Kyle Williams but Goldson took out some of our guys who could have gotten INT's with some hard hits that he didnt time well. Those plays could have been game changers as well.
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Ah - the cap, the cap! In this day and age if you've got a great O or D you can only keep it together for a short while before some of the good, and really valuable, guys have to be let go. I think with him signing his tender we've got a year to see what we have behind him now. If we're pleasantly surprised, then good. If not then S become a FA and/or draft target for next year. Of course giving him a big money long-term contract is another option, but I just can't see us doing that when we need money for other positions too.
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