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| Breaking Bad is the best thing on TV right now, IMO. |
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| jonu62882 wrote: | | Breaking Bad is the best thing on TV right now, IMO. |
Idk, I really love GoT. But if you mean currently airing than yes BB is.
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SoA has been pretty terrible in half of its seasons thus far. It has mortally flawed characters, acting and writing. Fun is the best you could say about it, and it hasn't been a fun watch for a while. It's barely a good show let alone a great one. Breaking Bad is great. I have my issues with it too, but they're not as blatantly obvious or numerous as SoA's.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:01 am Post subject: |
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| RaiderX wrote: | | Danny Trejo and Michael Shamus Wiles have been on both shows. |
Danny Trejo is always in every show/movie involving drugs lol.
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| as11osu wrote: | | SoA has been pretty terrible in half of its seasons thus far. It has mortally flawed characters, acting and writing. Fun is the best you could say about it, and it hasn't been a fun watch for a while. It's barely a good show let alone a great one. Breaking Bad is great. I have my issues with it too, but they're not as blatantly obvious or numerous as SoA's. |
Care to elaborate?
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"Sons of Anarchy"
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Darrelle Revis wrote: | | Greg_Jennings wrote: | | I guess I feel like BB does a better job at storytelling without dialog (if that makes sense) |
The direction and attention to detail of BB is great. Not like Mad Men (where every scene is masterful) though.
I think people look at the nature of SoA (BA bikers who run guns) and have this mentality that it isn't as well-made or complex as a show like BB. This is false. The storytelling on SoA is fantastic. It's obviously a retelling of Hamlet, so we know the overall themes of the show.
But for some reason, Breaking Bad doesn't suffer from the same problem. Walt and Jesse are drug dealers who flirt with death all the time. They have almost been caught or killed a million times to the point where it pretty much requires suspension of disbelief.
Yet BB is put in the same conversation as The Wire or Mad Men, two shows that lack sensationalism and have been heralded for their realism.
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You're one of the few people I've encountered past myself that has picked up on this.
There are also a great number of parallels between BB and Faust, though they're far more thematic and less in-your-face (both SOA and BB are subtle in their literary allusions, but BB is considerably more subtle than SOA is).
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I actually just watched both series start to finish (at least what's been made obviously) in the past 4 months. IMO, Breaking Bad is a better overall show.
I was hooked in the first 30 seconds of the first BB episode. I had to push through the first 2-3 episodes of SOA though. Gemma was almost painful to watch, and still is far from my favorite character. Early on, many on SOA were just unbelievable in their roles.
Now that I've gone through both completely, I would pick BB, but it's close. The bigges tissue I've had with SOA is that it just gets too far fetched at this point. It's too hard for me to believe that there are this many people going after the Club for this long for them to last. They're strapped for money from Ep1, but somehow continue to afford major outlays of cash. Even with taking a year off essentially between season 3 and 4, it's still crazy how much has went down, without a major loss of life or long term incarceration.
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| KingofSTATS wrote: | | Something I am noticing about the two is that SOA is 1000000000 million times better at developing "villains" than BB. Crazy 8 no chance to develop, tuco barely on a couple of episodes, the cousins couple of episodes.. Now even the guy who met with Gus and the nephews that was killed when feds raided his house, no chance to develop. |
I think you're missing the point. Breaking Bad is exclusively about the development of a villain: Walter White.
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I haven't seen all of sons of anarchy yet, but I have to say that I think Breaking Bad is the better show.
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teamorange
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| KingofSTATS wrote: | Something I am noticing about the two is that SOA is 1000000000 million times better at developing "villains" than BB. Crazy 8 no chance to develop, tuco barely on a couple of episodes, the cousins couple of episodes.. Now even the guy who met with Gus and the nephews that was killed when feds raided his house, no chance to develop.
In SOA, Darby, Zobelle, Alvarez, Stahl, Caruso, Cameron Hayes, O'phelan. All developed and sustained, Kohn, not to mention Winston to.
Reflecting maybe BB's writing is inferior, that they constantly have to kill off predominantly compromising characters to Walt and Jesse. where as SOA's brilliant writers can develop these counter characters who continue to compromise Jax and Clay along with the MC's development and they do it productively, not just as fillers to a storyline. But they all have been impactful characters, with lingering effects. Very overlooked. I hope rest of season 3 and season 4 don't kill off interesting counter characters so quickly.
Not going to lie BB is getting much better, but still not on the same level as SOA which im convinced is best show ever to hit TV IMO, maybe not Sopranos better yet, but close. Sopranos is hard to beat. |
No offense, I don't think you understand Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad is a unique show were almost every character is a hero and a Villain. For instance, Walt for me is the biggest Villain of the show. He raped his wife, he clearly is only looking out for himself (he could've take money from Elliot and Gretchen but decided that he was too good for charity and decided cooking Meth was a better choice), he is constantly manipulating people (the Ricin for people who are up with the show), etc. Walt is the Villain of the show yet he is also a very compelling character. He whole intention is to save his family at all cost and make sure they are well provided for the future. He would never do anything to intentionally hurt his family (although he is misguided because becoming a drug dealer/making Meth does hurt your family). The show is much more layered than simply good guy bad guy. If you miss that you are missing the whole intention of the show.
Almost every character goes under some sort of character development (excluding Walter "Blaine" Jr he does serve a purpose, he is the "constant" of the show if you want to view this as a science experiment). And judging Breaking Bad season not in entirety is a HUGE mistake. The show is about progress and development at a methodical pace. They don't force anything to keep your attention. The characters are rarely abrupt with their change but a development. There is almost never a point where they change but a compounding layer change till it is almost unrecognizable how someone can "break bad."
The show takes multiple viewings to fully grasp the artistic nature. Here is a pretty shallow but detailed nature (see images below). The first episode has Walt at his 50th birthday and the first episode of the last season shows a scene at his 52 birthday and supposedly one the last scenes (it is a flash forward). This shows his change.
Another key bit of transformation for Walt is how he becomes his rivals. Here is a flash back with Hector and his nephews (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0aud-0CNuQ) and in the last scene of the last episode (which was by the way so thrilling and gripping should alone tell you how special Breaking Bad is) Walt say, "family is everything." You can also see a bit of Tuco and Gus and everyone else in what Walt is today. The grow of the characters in the show is amazing.
That is the analysis of one character (and I could've gone one for probably another 10k words if I had to) and every character goes under some transformation. |
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Does BB wow you as much as Mad Men? I feel like almost every scene of Mad Men (The Wire has this too) has at least one line or one visual that is so expertly written that you can't not be wowed. |
BB and Mad Men are two different shows (dur). Mad Men is suppose to be more realistic, it is about the sixties and the troubles that the people face. Mad Men is much more visually stunning and exactly true to what the environment was like in the sixties. Breaking Bad essentially starts with nothing, it is a show and a story on its own while Mad Men has key points to hit on and history to cite. For me BB is a better show and I prefer the writing. I find it to be much more clever and the way dialog, the metaphors, the foreshadowing, the character develop I prefer to Mad Men.
The biggest detriment to Mad Men was season three. They focused waaaaay too much on the martial troubles of Don and Betty which took away from the social issues that were prevalent in the 60s. One issue I wish they would focus more on (which they gradually have been) is the problems children face in divorce, that's what saved season four for me.
Another problem I have with Mad Men is the character development. They seem to just be falling for the same tricks all over again just with different people. I understand that is the point but at some point someone has to break those tendencies. Peggy has a bit and season six is critical. Freddy has but they hardly give him air time anymore (big mistake, I would love for them to document a recovering alcohol on Madison Ave).
Mad Men for me has flaws, BB is pretty much flawless. |
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KingofSTATS
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So im up on speed on BB and sorry I disagree with that last guy. I don't think at all Walt was being developed in the first 3 seasons as a "villian" or even a transformation of one.
I think season 4 he was and season 5, he is basically full blown at this point.
Don't get me wrong there was a obvious transformation in Walt's character a character in which I think is nothing short of brilliant and hard to take your eyes off.
But I think early on, he was just a scared, confused guy who slowly became resourceful. But never did you feel he had this edge to him, even during his blow out with Hank at the BBQ when Walt was basically forcing Jr to drink.
Even alot of the 4th season walt had alot more vulnerabilities as a character. But he was always so resourceful and logical as a character. Don't get be wrong, the development of his character was done subtly and very realistically. He's obviously evolved now and his constant victories over the "obvious" villains have seem to resonate more significance with him. Made him much more keen of what he is capable of.
I think outside of Walt with alittle bit from Jesse, the character development is not as good as you make it out to be. I think they did do a great job with Gus, he was a brilliant "villain" and Hank killing him was a perfect transition to making Hank what he appears to be now in season 5.
Killing Crazy 8 was with eminent threat and defense.
Tuco's death was at the hands of Hank, with some play from Jesse and Walt.
But the death of Gus was directly by Walt and it was more strategic than eminent faith. Which is much better anyways.
At the end to me SOA season 1 and 2 were better. Season 3 definitely BB. Season 4 is very very close, probably a push. Though season 4 of BB was incredible IMO. Season 5 looks to be so far as good if not better than season 4, only 2 episodes in.
I think BB made it very close for me, which I'm surprised considering how high I am on SOA.
The thing I am realizing re-watching all of the seasons of SOA again, since I have now seen every episode of BB. Is that BB make's more tragic events "death, physical confrontations, danger" much more realistic and logical and the way BB character's re-act to them are much more in-depth, believable and emotionally strenuous. Where as in SOA it's almost an after thought and approached nonchalantly.
Walt to me now is on par with Jax as best characters from both shows. Depending on season 5 (the last season of the series) I can see Walt becoming my favorite character ever, of any show I've ever followed.
My one problem with BB is that Hank has seasonally continued to become a more sharpened DEA agent who continues to unravel so much about this blue meth and the drug ring revolving around it, yet has no suspicions about Walt at all. Hank seems to become more and more brilliant about hints and clues and intuitions about the case, yet nothing.
I did love the part in season 5, when Merkert is talking about how he had Gus over and they were talking for dinner and he never suspected anything, he was treating him like family and he was right under his nose and never suspected a thing. Then they zoomed in on Hank for like a 6 sec shot when he said that. That gave me chills for some reason.
I never thought I would like BB, but I was wrong. It's a brilliant show. But I think I still give SOA a tiny edge.
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| KingofSTATS wrote: | So im up on speed on BB and sorry I disagree with that last guy. I don't think at all Walt was being developed in the first 3 seasons as a "villian" or even a transformation of one.
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I didn't read past this. You do know he is selling Meth and he raped his wife in the first season. He didn't need to do any of this but his greed, pride, and ego was a result of all this. Walt is a pretty big Villain, since the start of the show everyone he has met their lives have gotten worse as a result of him. He does nothing to make their lives better. Just because he is the main character the voice of the show doesn't make him a good person. |
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KingofSTATS
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| teamorange wrote: | | KingofSTATS wrote: | So im up on speed on BB and sorry I disagree with that last guy. I don't think at all Walt was being developed in the first 3 seasons as a "villian" or even a transformation of one.
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I didn't read past this. You do know he is selling Meth and he raped his wife in the first season. He didn't need to do any of this but his greed, pride, and ego was a result of all this. Walt is a pretty big Villain, since the start of the show everyone he has met their lives have gotten worse as a result of him. He does nothing to make their lives better. Just because he is the main character the voice of the show doesn't make him a good person. |
He was selling meth as part of providing for his family due to his cancer circumstances and uncertainty. He fed and talked to Crazy 8 and was going to let him go until he saw the piece of glass from the broken plate gone and he only killed him as self defense basically.
Tuco they let him live after being shot, instead of finishing him off.
I'd say Jesse's life has gotten better. He's not a druggie, making good money, bought his old house, in a relationship or was prior to last episode.
The rape was just a matter of his rush with things, meds, increased sexuality which seems to be depended on chemicals through the meds or something and it's not like he didn't stop after Skylar started yelling. It took about a min for him to stop when he realized what he was doing.
Walt was a scared man looking for a plan who became resourceful due to his intelligence and expertise in chemistry. With making the car battery charger and the poison. Always looking for the subtle easy resolution as a means of survival. Was often in 3 seasons very very vulnerable.
Sorry im not buying he was a villain from day one. Circumstances dictating what one has to do and the morals behind it don't make them a villain in my eyes.
This year Walt is full blown villain swag. ALL HAIL THE KING in deed.
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