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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Teams That Ignored 'Obvious' Needs... Reply with quote

DawgSoldier wrote:
goldfishwars wrote:
Something to be said for picking BPA according to your board - or just an oversight on behalf of the team in question?

Chicago Bears - O-Line

Much of the pre-draft talk surrounding the Bears was that they would have to continue re-building an offensive line that stuggled again last year. This draft was pretty loaded, especially with interior options, but Chicago decided to go another route and ignored this need altogether. Perhaps they have faith in JaMarcus Webb at left tackle and Gabe Carimi coming back to fill in on the right side and the interior options available to them. Either way, seems odd that you don't seem particularly interested in protecting your franchise Quaterback.

Carolina Panthers - Defensive Tackle

Terrell McClain and Sione Fua were both 3rd picks bought in to start right away at a decimated position in Carolina and struggled at times. With plenty of options in the 1st round, they passed on the likes of Fletcher Cox and Michael Brockers for Luke Kuechly in the 1st round which seemed fair enough. In the second, however, they had the chance to land Jerel Worthy, Devon Still or Kendall Reyes - all had 1st/2nd round grades but decided to pass and then passed on the position altogether from there on in.

Cleveland Browns - Wide Receiver

There were two schools of thinking coming into the draft, either get a new franchise QB or load Colt McCoy with weopons. The Browns decided to go with option 1 and there's no way you pick a 28 year old rookie in Round 1 without giving him the starting job. That'll make you look like an imbecile in no time. I realise Trent Richardson is probably going to be the offense next year - but I can't believe in a receiver class as deep as this was, they added a 5'10, 170 pound kick returner as their only piece. Greg Little showed promise last year, but had some bad drops and doesn't look like anything more than a number 2 receiver. Joshua Cribbs has shown flashes of improvement at wideout, but still doesn't look like he has natural position. Mohamed Massaquoi is the definition of meh.


Colts - Defense

I know you want to surround your new guy with pieces to help the offense succeed and the Colts should be applauded for that. However, adopting an offense-first, fighting-fire-with-fire policy and placing that squarely on a rookie QB's head probably won't get you too far in the short-term. 2 defensive picks, one of which (Josh Chapman) not not be able to play next year and the other a 7th round pick project, seems a little short-sighted. Adapting to a new 3-4 system will be hard enough as it is, but by not drafting a defensive player who can start away on an already flagging defensive roster is not the best way to kick things off.

Jets - Outside Pass-Rush

Jets - you cannot blitz on every play. We know this now, which is why you need defensive players who can win one on one and sack the Quarterback. Coples is a typical Jets boom-or-bust kind of guy, who could go either way - but he'll be playing in a new position and it's hard to see production from him playing the five from the outset. With Vinny Curry still on the board in the 2nd, the Jets could have upgraded two defensive spots in the first two rounds. Certainly made more sense than trading up for another boom-or-bust pick in Stephen Hill who won't be able to contribute right away, will play in a run-based offense and might have Tebow throwing wobblies his way before the season is out.

Titans - Center

The Titans want to run the football, but have a mess of an interior line - partially solved by the addition of Steve Hutchinson, but we're not sure how much he has left in the tank. Many thought they would pick-up Peter Konz in the 1st - made a lot of sense with the way he opened up lanes at Wisconsin in a run-based offense. When they past on him in the first, we couldn't they would be have the opportunity to take him in the 2nd - but that's what happened. Instead, they took Zach Brown - a linebacker with a lot of questions over his (lack of) physcality. Eugene Amano looks like the answer again next year for Tennessee.


OP needs to revise this due to the Browns getting Josh Gordon in the supplemental draft.


Change it to RDE now.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jacksonville up until last year never drafted a QB since Byron Leftwich
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Houston Texans - #2 WR

After the horrendous muffed punt by WR Jacoby Jones in the divisional playoff game against Baltimore, the writing on the wall was crystal clear - the inconsistent WR from Lane College was on his way out. However, even before then, the Texans felt the need for another WR, when Andre Johnson missed most of the season with his hamstring issues. The leading target in the Texans passing game was Arian Foster, and giving him touches in both the run game and the passing game would wear him out well before he got started. Simply put, the Texans have one of the best WRs in the NFL, and absolutely nothing behind him. Jones had never lived up to his billing as a developmental player who would be another Chad Johnson, Kevin Walter has seen his best years go by and is on a decline, and the remaining guys on the roster are scrap-heap pickups (Bryant Johnson, David Anderson) or UDFA pickups/PS designated players who have no NFL experience outside of a few snaps in week 17 (Jeff Maehl, Lestar Jean, Trindon Holliday). A #2 WR was needed, in a BAD way.

Prior to the draft, Jones was released, all but painting the walls with the message the Texans were going to be drafting a WR early in this draft. I am FIRMLY of the belief that the Texans were going to select WR Rueben Randle with their 2nd round pick, when Tampa Bay called up and offered some additonal mid round picks to move up from the 4th pick in the 3rd round to where the Texans were (where the Bucs selected OLB Lavonte David out of Nebraska). The Texans looked at the remainder of the board, felt as if Randle would still be there with the 4th pick of the 3rd, gambled...and watched Randle get selected with the 64th pick of the draft.

It was in this that the Texans made their BIGGEST gaffe of the draft, selecting former OSU WR DeVier Posey in the 3rd round (with the likes of Mohamed Sanu and Chris Givens still there for the taking). The red flags were flying at full staff with Posey, as he was one of the OSU players suspended for the free tats scandal a few years back. Posey sat out the majority of the 2011 season, logging in 12 catches for the season upon his return. Even when he was playing, Posey was overshadowed by the likes of Dane Sanzenbacher and Brian Hartline - not exactly worldbeaters. The red flags are looking to prove correct, as Posey has quickly earned himself into Gary Kubiak's doghouse during OTAs, where Kubiak lambasted Posey for being out of shape and behind on learning the playbook. The investment in Posey means he will be on the team, but many believe that he will get some undisclosed injury and be stashed on the IR this season.

The Texans stopped the bleeding in the 4th round by selecting WR Keyshawn Martin out of MSU, but truth be told...Martin projects out to be a KR/PR/slot WR. CAN he translate to a #2 opposite Andre Johnson? Perhaps, but the odds are against him for the most part, given that most successful NFL WRs tower over the dimunitive Martin. His size is going to put him behind the 8-Ball in terms of winning a starting spot on offense. He very well CAN do so, but he's gotta channel his inner Steve Smith to make it happen and play bigger than his size.

Outside of that, the Texans grabbed WR Mario Louis out of Grambling, Jerrell Jackson out of Missouri as well as what was thought to be a steal from the UDFA ranks in Dwight Jones from UNC. Many thought that Jones would be the guy who would make up for the lack of urgency in selecting a WR opposite AJ, and Jones surely spoke the part, calling himself "the NEXT ANDRE JOHNSON" to the Houston media and expecting to get himself a lot of playing time this season. That dream was short lived, as Jones unexpectedly quit on the time, citing no reason. Even as of now, Jones has a door open to him for Training Camp, but I highly doubt that a player with that lack of fortitude would fare well in this league, regardless of what team he's playing for.

As of now, the Texans WR unit/depth chart looks like this:

1. Johnson
2. Walter
3. Lestar Jean
4. Keyshawn Martin
5. Trindon Holliday
6. DeVier Posey
7. Jeff Maehl

The Texans have brought in veteran WRs Roy Williams and Bryant Johnson to give them an extended tryout, and the firm belief is that one of these two players will be on the 53 man roster come the start of the season. For a team that has been called a Super Bowl contender and has been praised as a team that identifies many talented players in the draft, the Texans have REALLY painted themselves in a corner in regards to the spot.

In a banner year for WRs in this draft, the Texans sit as the kid who didn't get any ice cream when then ice cream man came...and it will be seen whether or not everyone starts to laugh at them for missing out on a prime opportunity.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tatupu_64 wrote:
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If the Pats don't have a deep threat, neither do the Saints and Packers.

Heck, or Eagles or Steelers.
No... Laughing

Mike Wallace and Desean Jackson are the two best "deep threats" in the league.


Pretty sure he was being sarcastic. Of course the Saints and Packers have deep threats. Jennings, Nelson, Colston, Henderson...

Pats didn't have a deep threat guy last year but they signed one thru free agency so they didn't need to draft one. I know Lloyd's forte is the intermediate routes but he's capable of getting separation downfield too.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EliteTexan80 wrote:
Many thought that Jones would be the guy who would make up for the lack of urgency in selecting a WR opposite AJ, and Jones surely spoke the part, calling himself "the NEXT ANDRE JOHNSON" to the Houston media and expecting to get himself a lot of playing time this season. That dream was short lived, as Jones unexpectedly quit on the time, citing no reason. Even as of now, Jones has a door open to him for Training Camp, but I highly doubt that a player with that lack of fortitude would fare well in this league, regardless of what team he's playing for.


Who are these many? Razz

I remember our in house optimists (AA and Pastor) billing him as a great pickup, but I believe the majority were in the pessimist camp.
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texans_uk wrote:
EliteTexan80 wrote:
Many thought that Jones would be the guy who would make up for the lack of urgency in selecting a WR opposite AJ, and Jones surely spoke the part, calling himself "the NEXT ANDRE JOHNSON" to the Houston media and expecting to get himself a lot of playing time this season. That dream was short lived, as Jones unexpectedly quit on the time, citing no reason. Even as of now, Jones has a door open to him for Training Camp, but I highly doubt that a player with that lack of fortitude would fare well in this league, regardless of what team he's playing for.


Who are these many? Razz

I remember our in house optimists (AA and Pastor) billing him as a great pickup, but I believe the majority were in the pessimist camp.


I was actually in that camp as well, and I think TF713 joined in. Then there's that one guy who shows up once in a while...texanteddyp or something like that. Then there were the throngs of folks who are non-FF, calling into 610 radio spouting off stats and how working with his old QB in TJ Yates will help him and stuff...I even went as far as to call him the next in line of great UDFA pickups, along with Mike Breisel and Arian Foster.

Oh, how wrong was I. Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tatupu_64 wrote:
Sciz wrote:
Nihc wrote:
If the Pats don't have a deep threat, neither do the Saints and Packers.

Heck, or Eagles or Steelers.
No... Laughing

Mike Wallace and Desean Jackson are the two best "deep threats" in the league.

See... this is where I think people have been slightly off-kilter for a while. Great speed does not automatically equate to "great deep threat". Does it give them a leg up on the competition? Sure. But they've still got to put it together. And in the case of guys like Jackson and Wallace (the later does it considerably better than the former), it takes a bit more than blazing speed to beat your man deep, including ability to defeat the jam at the line when lacking the formidable size to just shrug off corners smaller than you, effective and efficient route running (and I'm not talking just being able to make cuts on a dime, but rather being savvy enough to set up your man so that when you cut you waste as little excess motion as possible and thus down throttle down a gear in your stride - way, way too many young speedster WR's do this when they reach the pro's and find the competition of much more competent DB's), as well as the tenacity to compete for the ball in the air - unless your QB is capable of dropping that rainbow on a dime and hitting you in stride consistently without you having to adjust to the pass in the slightest.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm fine with the Colts ignoring D this year, it's not like we're gonna be in the playoffs this year anyway. We're taking the Panthers approach. And I love the two defensive players we did draft. Chapman should be a beast in the middle, and Fugger is a very fast pass rusher, who was great value in the 7th, I had Chapman as a 2nd rounder without the injury, and Fugger as a 4-5th rounder. We should go D heavy next draft. For right now, it's about helping Luck.
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