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Jakuvious
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| Cutler06 wrote: | | Jakuvious wrote: | | Cutler06 wrote: |
When you add in Cassel and Manning, tell me how you feel now ?? |
That would be relevant if he said their production this season. He said their potential. |
But how can they meet their potential with Cassel ? |
Whether they meet it or not, doesn't change their actual potential. We weren't discussing whether or not they'll meet it, and definitely not whether or not they meet it this year.
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bmore4life815
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Wait... People are actually surprised that a Chiefs prediction thread has reached 40 more pages than that of any other team?
Guys, remember what forum you're on. That's all I'm going to say.
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ArrowheadRage58
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:11 am Post subject: |
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| Cutler06 wrote: | | Jakuvious wrote: | | Cutler06 wrote: |
When you add in Cassel and Manning, tell me how you feel now ?? |
That would be relevant if he said their production this season. He said their potential. |
But how can they meet their potential with Cassel ? |
They play as well as they possibly can...and we'll know. What if they played with Matt Ryan and put up even better numbers than with Cassel...then you could say, "well how can they meet their potential with Ryan instead of a guy like Brees". |
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big_palooka
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| onejayhawk wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | Would you PLEASE stop using the 'second half of the season' argument. A season is 16 games. This dead horse has been beaten. There is ZERO relevance to the 'second half of the season'. It's a sub-section of games any team could use to justify a result.
In his last eight starts last season, Carson Palmer was fifth in passing yards, seventh in completion percentage, ninth in completions, 10th in attempts, fourth in yards per attempt, tied for second in passing plays of more than 25 yards and tied for 12th in touchdown passes, and he had Denarius Moore and Darrius Heyward-Bey on the field at the same time in only five games.
By your logic, Carson Palmer is a top 10 or better QB going into the 2012 season. I mean, the statistics for 8 games prove it. But I bet you'd have a hard time selling those last 8 games to people who watched him play. |
Carson Palmer is a top 10 QB. What is your point?
As to your claim that finishing strong has zero value?
| Quote: | | If THAT is the only argument you can use, it's a poor one. |
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You clearly missed the point. Carson is NOT a top 10 QB. But if you thinking he is to justify the Chiefs defense in 8 games, so be it.
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Cutler06
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| ArrowheadRage58 wrote: | | Cutler06 wrote: | | Jakuvious wrote: | | Cutler06 wrote: |
When you add in Cassel and Manning, tell me how you feel now ?? |
That would be relevant if he said their production this season. He said their potential. |
But how can they meet their potential with Cassel ? |
They play as well as they possibly can...and we'll know. What if they played with Matt Ryan and put up even better numbers than with Cassel...then you could say, "well how can they meet their potential with Ryan instead of a guy like Brees". |
Potential is NOTHING if you don't have the means to reach it...might as well be a bench warmer IMO
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kylecumberland
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Cutler06 wrote: | | ArrowheadRage58 wrote: | | Cutler06 wrote: | | Jakuvious wrote: | | Cutler06 wrote: |
When you add in Cassel and Manning, tell me how you feel now ?? |
That would be relevant if he said their production this season. He said their potential. |
But how can they meet their potential with Cassel ? |
They play as well as they possibly can...and we'll know. What if they played with Matt Ryan and put up even better numbers than with Cassel...then you could say, "well how can they meet their potential with Ryan instead of a guy like Brees". |
Potential is NOTHING if you don't have the means to reach it...might as well be a bench warmer IMO |
So are saying Bowe can't reach his potential because of Cassel?...yet he has been a 1000 yard receiver his whole career WITH Cassel. 15 touchdowns in 2010. Pro Bowl receiver. if that is him not reaching his potential then it is still more than good enough. But he should be a bench warmer because if he had a better QB he would be better? |
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AntiSuperstar
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Lol Jonathan Baldwin. The guy who's too stiff to get open against nickel cornerbacks. But he's tall so he has soooo much potential. Give me a break.
| kylecumberland wrote: | | So are saying Bowe can't reach his potential because of Cassel?...yet he has been a 1000 yard receiver his whole career WITH Cassel. 15 touchdowns in 2010. Pro Bowl receiver. if that is him not reaching his potential then it is still more than good enough. But he should be a bench warmer because if he had a better QB he would be better? |
Dwayne Bowe isn't the problem. He's great. It's that Chiefs fans are hyping a high-end Anthony Fasano at Tight End, a pretty good situational Running Back, a terrible starter opposite Bowe, Jamal Charles(who is also very good as a back), and a stiff in the slot who isn't much different from Niles Paul of the Redskins as if that's supposed to be an impressive group of weapons.
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HiccupGuy
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| AntiSuperstar wrote: | | Lol Jonathan Baldwin. The guy who's too stiff to get open against nickel cornerbacks. But he's tall so he has soooo much potential. Give me a break. |
It's better then Demaryius Thomas I have so much potential that it injuries me. So I can't get on the field. |
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AntiSuperstar
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| HiccupGuy wrote: | | It's better then Demaryius Thomas I have so much potential that it injuries me. So I can't get on the field. |
This trash talk might work had not DeMariyus Thomas just about matched all of Baldwin's production from last season in one single game against the Steelers.
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kylecumberland
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| AntiSuperstar wrote: | Lol Jonathan Baldwin. The guy who's too stiff to get open against nickel cornerbacks. But he's tall so he has soooo much potential. Give me a break.
| kylecumberland wrote: | | So are saying Bowe can't reach his potential because of Cassel?...yet he has been a 1000 yard receiver his whole career WITH Cassel. 15 touchdowns in 2010. Pro Bowl receiver. if that is him not reaching his potential then it is still more than good enough. But he should be a bench warmer because if he had a better QB he would be better? |
Dwayne Bowe isn't the problem. He's great. It's that Chiefs fans are hyping a high-end Anthony Fasano at Tight End, a pretty good situational Running Back, a terrible starter opposite Bowe, Jamal Charles(who is also very good as a back), and a stiff in the slot who isn't much different from Niles Paul of the Redskins as if that's supposed to be an impressive group of weapons. |
I couldn't disagree more about Baldwin being a terrible starter opposite bowe. How are you going to judge a rookie with that kind of talent when it was a lockout year and he was injured for half of the season. Most players make huge jumps in their 2nd year. Watch out for the three first round recievers from 2011. AJ Green, Julio Jones, and Baldwin all should take a huge step forward this year. |
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HiccupGuy
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| AntiSuperstar wrote: | | HiccupGuy wrote: | | It's better then Demaryius Thomas I have so much potential that it injuries me. So I can't get on the field. |
This trash talk might work had not DeMariyus Thomas just about matched all of Baldwin's production from last season in one single game against the Steelers. |
And yet they put up pretty much the same numbers in their Rookie year.
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AntiSuperstar
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| kylecumberland wrote: | | I couldn't disagree more about Baldwin being a terrible starter opposite bowe. How are you going to judge a rookie with that kind of talent when it was a lockout year and he was injured for half of the season. Most players make huge jumps in their 2nd year. Watch out for the three first round recievers from 2011. AJ Green, Julio Jones, and Baldwin all should take a huge step forward this year. |
I was referring to Steve Breaston as the terrible starter.
Jonathan Baldwin = Limas Sweed
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AntiSuperstar
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| HiccupGuy wrote: | | And yet they put up pretty much the same numbers in their Rookie year. |
That's because Thomas was the #4 receiver on the Broncos, with Lloyd, Royal, Gaffney, ahead of him. So he didn't see a lot of targets or time and wasn't that involved in the offense. That's a bit different than Baldwin who was gifted the #3 spot because the team had zero depth at the Wide Receiver position and he still did nothing simply because he was ineffective on the field. Decker didn't put up much stats in 2010 either, because he wasn't playing. So your comparison is a bit ridiculous. There's a difference between a guy who is given everyone opportunity and simply cannot get open and a guy who is buried on the depth chart.
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kylecumberland
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| AntiSuperstar wrote: | | kylecumberland wrote: | | I couldn't disagree more about Baldwin being a terrible starter opposite bowe. How are you going to judge a rookie with that kind of talent when it was a lockout year and he was injured for half of the season. Most players make huge jumps in their 2nd year. Watch out for the three first round recievers from 2011. AJ Green, Julio Jones, and Baldwin all should take a huge step forward this year. |
I was referring to Steve Breaston as the terrible starter.
Jonathan Baldwin = Limas Sweed |
Well Baldwin is the starter. and he is a stud. trust me. I agree that their are players like Dorsey, and Jackson, and to a degree moeaki who people are just solid players that people on this board are overrating, but Baldwin is legit....I saw him at training camp on 3 separate occasions. By far the best player at camp. Even the national media is picking up on this. freakish ability. He makes circus catches look routine on a daily basis. He had the Cardinals whole sideline hooting and hollering in the scrimmage. He is Closer to Calvin Johnson than Limas sweed. |
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