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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russell2Bailey wrote:
49ers4life52 wrote:
Russell2Bailey wrote:
neezy007 wrote:
Good job subtracting 4 tackles from Aldon this year while failing to mention his FF. 9er fans aren't pimping our guy, people make threads about him. I guess you don't like Revis or Nnamdi because they have threads made about them all the time. You on the other hand are blinded by your hate. Smith is a flashy player, and a game changer. Is the team around him talented? Hell yes. Was that same group anywhere near as good without him? Not at all.


Those are just as annoying. Except those players are actually great and the best at their position. I'm not blinded by hate. That's simply an excuse you use because we disagree. The whole point I was making about the talent was if you put Aldon Smith on let's say.... the Jags or the Jets. Teams that haven't been rushing the passer very well and don't have elite talent all over the field, I have quite some doubt about his production. Usually a truly great and special player can over come it. And last year Smith wasn't even an everydown player.

Aldon wasn't an every down player last year because that's how the coaching staff treats the rookies. It had nothing to do about his talent and to say Aldon won't be as dominant in another team is such an ignorant comment. Tell me why Parys Harlson our starting olb last year had 2 sacks last season playing with the same talent around him. I tell you why, its because he's not talented player like Aldon.


He played on running downs, his strength is stopping the run, Smith was more fresh, it made things easier for his learning process, and it played to his strengths.

More fresh? Harlson had 7 more snaps than Aldon last year. It was practically 50-50 in snap counts. If Aldon was fresh then so was Harlson. Yes Aldon rushed more, but Harlson had a fair share in rush attempts as well and still only manage 2 sacks with all the talent around him.
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Anyone care to shed any light as to who has the greatest number of QB disruptions? I know that PFF isn't everyone's cup of tea, but comparing the two against a benchmark like that of, say, Wake, who has 21, would be a good start.

Would take CMIII though myself. Give me someone who can contribute three downs. Has some (relatively) horrible D-Line to play alongside too, yet still makes plays, even if they're not the kind that gets recorded with a tick in a box or a mark on a stat sheet.
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Aldon's a great player and all but give me Clay Matthews here.
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Russell2Bailey wrote:
49ers4life52 wrote:
Russell2Bailey wrote:
neezy007 wrote:
Good job subtracting 4 tackles from Aldon this year while failing to mention his FF. 9er fans aren't pimping our guy, people make threads about him. I guess you don't like Revis or Nnamdi because they have threads made about them all the time. You on the other hand are blinded by your hate. Smith is a flashy player, and a game changer. Is the team around him talented? Hell yes. Was that same group anywhere near as good without him? Not at all.


Those are just as annoying. Except those players are actually great and the best at their position. I'm not blinded by hate. That's simply an excuse you use because we disagree. The whole point I was making about the talent was if you put Aldon Smith on let's say.... the Jags or the Jets. Teams that haven't been rushing the passer very well and don't have elite talent all over the field, I have quite some doubt about his production. Usually a truly great and special player can over come it. And last year Smith wasn't even an everydown player.

Aldon wasn't an every down player last year because that's how the coaching staff treats the rookies. It had nothing to do about his talent and to say Aldon won't be as dominant in another team is such an ignorant comment. Tell me why Parys Harlson our starting olb last year had 2 sacks last season playing with the same talent around him. I tell you why, its because he's not talented player like Aldon.


He played on running downs, his strength is stopping the run, Smith was more fresh, it made things easier for his learning process, and it played to his strengths.

Just FYI, Haralson is not a run stopper at OLB. He performed admirably in that role last year, but he was a situational pass rusher for most of his career. He was first signed to the team in that role and was supposed to help our pass rush. He is in fact a better than average pass rusher for the most part.

Aldon Smith can use speed or power to dominate offensive tackles. He has done it so far this year as a full-time starter, and all last year off the bench. Yes he does use J. Smith to his advantage on certain plays, but can you really blame him for playing well in tandem with a team mate? I suppose Reggie Wayne isn't a good receiver because he was "relying" on Peyton Manning for his stats all those years?

Clay Matthews and Aldon Smith are both really good at football, and great athletes so there is no wrong answer here. Don't worry Von Miller is good too. It is funny that Aldon's biggest detractors are Broncos fans, and our defenses biggest doubters were/are Ravens fans. Maybe something is affecting their opinions that rhymes with Show-merism.
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SFaithful97 wrote:
Russell2Bailey wrote:
49ers4life52 wrote:
Russell2Bailey wrote:
neezy007 wrote:
Good job subtracting 4 tackles from Aldon this year while failing to mention his FF. 9er fans aren't pimping our guy, people make threads about him. I guess you don't like Revis or Nnamdi because they have threads made about them all the time. You on the other hand are blinded by your hate. Smith is a flashy player, and a game changer. Is the team around him talented? Hell yes. Was that same group anywhere near as good without him? Not at all.


Those are just as annoying. Except those players are actually great and the best at their position. I'm not blinded by hate. That's simply an excuse you use because we disagree. The whole point I was making about the talent was if you put Aldon Smith on let's say.... the Jags or the Jets. Teams that haven't been rushing the passer very well and don't have elite talent all over the field, I have quite some doubt about his production. Usually a truly great and special player can over come it. And last year Smith wasn't even an everydown player.

Aldon wasn't an every down player last year because that's how the coaching staff treats the rookies. It had nothing to do about his talent and to say Aldon won't be as dominant in another team is such an ignorant comment. Tell me why Parys Harlson our starting olb last year had 2 sacks last season playing with the same talent around him. I tell you why, its because he's not talented player like Aldon.


He played on running downs, his strength is stopping the run, Smith was more fresh, it made things easier for his learning process, and it played to his strengths.

Just FYI, Haralson is not a run stopper at OLB. He performed admirably in that role last year, but he was a situational pass rusher for most of his career. He was first signed to the team in that role and was supposed to help our pass rush. He is in fact a better than average pass rusher for the most part.

Aldon Smith can use speed or power to dominate offensive tackles. He has done it so far this year as a full-time starter, and all last year off the bench. Yes he does use J. Smith to his advantage on certain plays, but can you really blame him for playing well in tandem with a team mate? I suppose Reggie Wayne isn't a good receiver because he was "relying" on Peyton Manning for his stats all those years?

Clay Matthews and Aldon Smith are both really good at football, and great athletes so there is no wrong answer here. Don't worry Von Miller is good too. It is funny that Aldon's biggest detractors are Broncos fans, and our defenses biggest doubters were/are Ravens fans. Maybe something is affecting their opinions that rhymes with Show-merism.
It's even funnier than 49er fans use the Von Miller/Ravens Shield and make the biggest excuses in order to try and hide their extreme homerism. By next year or the year after, San Francisco will be the new Green Bay.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russell2Bailey wrote:
SFaithful97 wrote:
Russell2Bailey wrote:
49ers4life52 wrote:
Russell2Bailey wrote:
neezy007 wrote:
Good job subtracting 4 tackles from Aldon this year while failing to mention his FF. 9er fans aren't pimping our guy, people make threads about him. I guess you don't like Revis or Nnamdi because they have threads made about them all the time. You on the other hand are blinded by your hate. Smith is a flashy player, and a game changer. Is the team around him talented? Hell yes. Was that same group anywhere near as good without him? Not at all.


Those are just as annoying. Except those players are actually great and the best at their position. I'm not blinded by hate. That's simply an excuse you use because we disagree. The whole point I was making about the talent was if you put Aldon Smith on let's say.... the Jags or the Jets. Teams that haven't been rushing the passer very well and don't have elite talent all over the field, I have quite some doubt about his production. Usually a truly great and special player can over come it. And last year Smith wasn't even an everydown player.

Aldon wasn't an every down player last year because that's how the coaching staff treats the rookies. It had nothing to do about his talent and to say Aldon won't be as dominant in another team is such an ignorant comment. Tell me why Parys Harlson our starting olb last year had 2 sacks last season playing with the same talent around him. I tell you why, its because he's not talented player like Aldon.


He played on running downs, his strength is stopping the run, Smith was more fresh, it made things easier for his learning process, and it played to his strengths.

Just FYI, Haralson is not a run stopper at OLB. He performed admirably in that role last year, but he was a situational pass rusher for most of his career. He was first signed to the team in that role and was supposed to help our pass rush. He is in fact a better than average pass rusher for the most part.

Aldon Smith can use speed or power to dominate offensive tackles. He has done it so far this year as a full-time starter, and all last year off the bench. Yes he does use J. Smith to his advantage on certain plays, but can you really blame him for playing well in tandem with a team mate? I suppose Reggie Wayne isn't a good receiver because he was "relying" on Peyton Manning for his stats all those years?

Clay Matthews and Aldon Smith are both really good at football, and great athletes so there is no wrong answer here. Don't worry Von Miller is good too. It is funny that Aldon's biggest detractors are Broncos fans, and our defenses biggest doubters were/are Ravens fans. Maybe something is affecting their opinions that rhymes with Show-merism.
It's even funnier than 49er fans use the Von Miller/Ravens Shield and make the biggest excuses in order to try and hide their extreme homerism. By next year or the year after, San Francisco will be the new Green Bay.

What extreme homerism is going on in this thread? It's just a simple comparison and no one is actually claiming he is the Lawrence Taylor like you stated multiple times. Rolling Eyes
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Russell2Bailey wrote:
SFaithful97 wrote:
Russell2Bailey wrote:
49ers4life52 wrote:
Russell2Bailey wrote:
neezy007 wrote:
Good job subtracting 4 tackles from Aldon this year while failing to mention his FF. 9er fans aren't pimping our guy, people make threads about him. I guess you don't like Revis or Nnamdi because they have threads made about them all the time. You on the other hand are blinded by your hate. Smith is a flashy player, and a game changer. Is the team around him talented? Hell yes. Was that same group anywhere near as good without him? Not at all.


Those are just as annoying. Except those players are actually great and the best at their position. I'm not blinded by hate. That's simply an excuse you use because we disagree. The whole point I was making about the talent was if you put Aldon Smith on let's say.... the Jags or the Jets. Teams that haven't been rushing the passer very well and don't have elite talent all over the field, I have quite some doubt about his production. Usually a truly great and special player can over come it. And last year Smith wasn't even an everydown player.

Aldon wasn't an every down player last year because that's how the coaching staff treats the rookies. It had nothing to do about his talent and to say Aldon won't be as dominant in another team is such an ignorant comment. Tell me why Parys Harlson our starting olb last year had 2 sacks last season playing with the same talent around him. I tell you why, its because he's not talented player like Aldon.


He played on running downs, his strength is stopping the run, Smith was more fresh, it made things easier for his learning process, and it played to his strengths.

Just FYI, Haralson is not a run stopper at OLB. He performed admirably in that role last year, but he was a situational pass rusher for most of his career. He was first signed to the team in that role and was supposed to help our pass rush. He is in fact a better than average pass rusher for the most part.

Aldon Smith can use speed or power to dominate offensive tackles. He has done it so far this year as a full-time starter, and all last year off the bench. Yes he does use J. Smith to his advantage on certain plays, but can you really blame him for playing well in tandem with a team mate? I suppose Reggie Wayne isn't a good receiver because he was "relying" on Peyton Manning for his stats all those years?

Clay Matthews and Aldon Smith are both really good at football, and great athletes so there is no wrong answer here. Don't worry Von Miller is good too. It is funny that Aldon's biggest detractors are Broncos fans, and our defenses biggest doubters were/are Ravens fans. Maybe something is affecting their opinions that rhymes with Show-merism.
It's even funnier than 49er fans use the Von Miller/Ravens Shield and make the biggest excuses in order to try and hide their extreme homerism. By next year or the year after, San Francisco will be the new Green Bay.

A great franchise?
A dynasty?
Damn. Glad other teams see that in us too! Respect.

Time to celebrate Laughing
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49ers Finest wrote:
Russell2Bailey wrote:
SFaithful97 wrote:
Russell2Bailey wrote:
49ers4life52 wrote:
Russell2Bailey wrote:
neezy007 wrote:
Good job subtracting 4 tackles from Aldon this year while failing to mention his FF. 9er fans aren't pimping our guy, people make threads about him. I guess you don't like Revis or Nnamdi because they have threads made about them all the time. You on the other hand are blinded by your hate. Smith is a flashy player, and a game changer. Is the team around him talented? Hell yes. Was that same group anywhere near as good without him? Not at all.


Those are just as annoying. Except those players are actually great and the best at their position. I'm not blinded by hate. That's simply an excuse you use because we disagree. The whole point I was making about the talent was if you put Aldon Smith on let's say.... the Jags or the Jets. Teams that haven't been rushing the passer very well and don't have elite talent all over the field, I have quite some doubt about his production. Usually a truly great and special player can over come it. And last year Smith wasn't even an everydown player.

Aldon wasn't an every down player last year because that's how the coaching staff treats the rookies. It had nothing to do about his talent and to say Aldon won't be as dominant in another team is such an ignorant comment. Tell me why Parys Harlson our starting olb last year had 2 sacks last season playing with the same talent around him. I tell you why, its because he's not talented player like Aldon.


He played on running downs, his strength is stopping the run, Smith was more fresh, it made things easier for his learning process, and it played to his strengths.

Just FYI, Haralson is not a run stopper at OLB. He performed admirably in that role last year, but he was a situational pass rusher for most of his career. He was first signed to the team in that role and was supposed to help our pass rush. He is in fact a better than average pass rusher for the most part.

Aldon Smith can use speed or power to dominate offensive tackles. He has done it so far this year as a full-time starter, and all last year off the bench. Yes he does use J. Smith to his advantage on certain plays, but can you really blame him for playing well in tandem with a team mate? I suppose Reggie Wayne isn't a good receiver because he was "relying" on Peyton Manning for his stats all those years?

Clay Matthews and Aldon Smith are both really good at football, and great athletes so there is no wrong answer here. Don't worry Von Miller is good too. It is funny that Aldon's biggest detractors are Broncos fans, and our defenses biggest doubters were/are Ravens fans. Maybe something is affecting their opinions that rhymes with Show-merism.
It's even funnier than 49er fans use the Von Miller/Ravens Shield and make the biggest excuses in order to try and hide their extreme homerism. By next year or the year after, San Francisco will be the new Green Bay.

A great franchise?
A dynasty?
Damn. Glad other teams see that in us too! Respect.

Time to celebrate Laughing


A team that won 1 super bowl and then loses the next year in the divisional round isn't a dynasty. I was moreso talking about the unbelievable homerism.
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Where is the extreme homerism? You know what homers do? Post about a player on their team in a comparison thread that doesn't have anything to do with their teams player.
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Where is the extreme homerism? You know what homers do? Post about a player on their team in a comparison thread that doesn't have anything to do with their teams player.

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A team that won 1 super bowl and then loses the next year in the divisional round isn't a dynasty. I was moreso talking about the unbelievable homerism.
You want to cool it on the generalizations? It's getting really old hearing this in almost every thread i open.
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Russell2Bailey wrote:
49ers4life52 wrote:
Russell2Bailey wrote:
neezy007 wrote:
Good job subtracting 4 tackles from Aldon this year while failing to mention his FF. 9er fans aren't pimping our guy, people make threads about him. I guess you don't like Revis or Nnamdi because they have threads made about them all the time. You on the other hand are blinded by your hate. Smith is a flashy player, and a game changer. Is the team around him talented? Hell yes. Was that same group anywhere near as good without him? Not at all.


Those are just as annoying. Except those players are actually great and the best at their position. I'm not blinded by hate. That's simply an excuse you use because we disagree. The whole point I was making about the talent was if you put Aldon Smith on let's say.... the Jags or the Jets. Teams that haven't been rushing the passer very well and don't have elite talent all over the field, I have quite some doubt about his production. Usually a truly great and special player can over come it. And last year Smith wasn't even an everydown player.

Aldon wasn't an every down player last year because that's how the coaching staff treats the rookies. It had nothing to do about his talent and to say Aldon won't be as dominant in another team is such an ignorant comment. Tell me why Parys Harlson our starting olb last year had 2 sacks last season playing with the same talent around him. I tell you why, its because he's not talented player like Aldon.


He played on running downs, his strength is stopping the run, Smith was more fresh, it made things easier for his learning process, and it played to his strengths.

Parys Haralson's strength is stopping the run? Dude do you even watch football? Rolling Eyes

Oh and interesting note. Aldon Smith has recorded 18 of his 18.5 sacks when the 49ers sent four or fewer pass-rushers. No player has more on such plays.

Aldon Smith also needs 1.5 sacks today to break Reggie White's record and become the fastest player in NFL history to 20 sacks.
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o_0 wrote:
Russell2Bailey wrote:
49ers4life52 wrote:
Russell2Bailey wrote:
neezy007 wrote:
Good job subtracting 4 tackles from Aldon this year while failing to mention his FF. 9er fans aren't pimping our guy, people make threads about him. I guess you don't like Revis or Nnamdi because they have threads made about them all the time. You on the other hand are blinded by your hate. Smith is a flashy player, and a game changer. Is the team around him talented? Hell yes. Was that same group anywhere near as good without him? Not at all.


Those are just as annoying. Except those players are actually great and the best at their position. I'm not blinded by hate. That's simply an excuse you use because we disagree. The whole point I was making about the talent was if you put Aldon Smith on let's say.... the Jags or the Jets. Teams that haven't been rushing the passer very well and don't have elite talent all over the field, I have quite some doubt about his production. Usually a truly great and special player can over come it. And last year Smith wasn't even an everydown player.

Aldon wasn't an every down player last year because that's how the coaching staff treats the rookies. It had nothing to do about his talent and to say Aldon won't be as dominant in another team is such an ignorant comment. Tell me why Parys Harlson our starting olb last year had 2 sacks last season playing with the same talent around him. I tell you why, its because he's not talented player like Aldon.


He played on running downs, his strength is stopping the run, Smith was more fresh, it made things easier for his learning process, and it played to his strengths.

Parys Haralson's strength is stopping the run? Dude do you even watch football? Rolling Eyes

Oh and interesting note. Aldon Smith has recorded 18 of his 18.5 sacks when the 49ers sent four or fewer pass-rushers. No player has more on such plays.

Aldon Smith also needs 1.5 sacks today to break Reggie White's record and become the fastest player in NFL history to 20 sacks.


Compared to his pass rushing skills, yes, Haralson's strength is stopping the run.
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49ers Finest wrote:
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Where is the extreme homerism? You know what homers do? Post about a player on their team in a comparison thread that doesn't have anything to do with their teams player.

Check and mate.BURN Laughing
Too bad I wasn't even the one to bring up Von Miller the first time. A 49er fan did. Read all of the posts. Ignorance.
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