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JohnnyV

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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:20 pm Post subject:

Here's a name...Eugene Monroe of Jacksonville. Tram could be the worst in the league, give them some picks or even WR help like Doucet.
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:37 pm Post subject:

JohnnyV wrote:

Here's a name...Eugene Monroe of Jacksonville. Tram could be the worst in the league, give them some picks or even WR help like Doucet.

LOL, why would Jacksonville want Early Doucet? They've got plenty of mediocre #3 WRs as it is.

Monroe's one of the only bright spots on that team. They're not moving him. Teams don't trade legitimate NFL LTs.

stchamp98

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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:16 pm Post subject:

I didn't realize this but PFF actually ranks Adam Snyder as the worst OG in the league of all starters through 5 games. I don't know, maybe we should shut him down and try Kelemete.

PFF ranks D'Anthony Batiste as the worst OT in the league of all starters through 5 games too. That is of no surprise to me. He's horrendous and IMHO, is only on roster due to injuries to Levi Brown and Jeremy Bridges. Unfortunately, there's no real solution there. Just have to shield him.

Boise&cards Fan

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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:36 pm Post subject:

Did not PFF have Adam Snyder rated as the 3rd worst Guard in the NFL last year.

stchamp98

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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:39 pm Post subject:

Boise&cards Fan wrote:

Did not PFF have Adam Snyder rated as the 3rd worst Guard in the NFL last year.

Something like that but last year he rated as a top 20 OG in the run game. According to PFF, he has a grossly negative grade in that area this year.

Him being a liability in the pass game is something we should have all saw coming but he's obviously dealing with some serious issues in the run game that nobody could have/would have seen coming. Maybe it's the elbow, maybe it's not (Somers says it is...), either way we may have to think about making a move here.

#1CARDSFAN

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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:57 pm Post subject:

stchamp98 wrote:

That's because of the last 2 games. Stats don't tell the whole story.

stchamp98

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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:01 pm Post subject:

#1CARDSFAN wrote:

stchamp98 wrote:

That's because of the last 2 games. Stats don't tell the whole story.

PFF states that they have Snyder with a negative grade in all 5 games.

#1CARDSFAN

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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:02 pm Post subject:

stchamp98 wrote:

#1CARDSFAN wrote:

stchamp98 wrote:

That's because of the last 2 games. Stats don't tell the whole story.

PFF states that they have Snyder with a negative grade in all 5 games.

In the run game? I can see that for sure. In pass protection? That's not what I am seeing in the first 3 games but it could be true.

stchamp98

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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:06 pm Post subject:

#1CARDSFAN wrote:

stchamp98 wrote:

#1CARDSFAN wrote:

stchamp98 wrote:

That's because of the last 2 games. Stats don't tell the whole story.

PFF states that they have Snyder with a negative grade in all 5 games.

In the run game? I can see that for sure. In pass protection? That's not what I am seeing in the first 3 games but it could be true.

Didn't say. Just says he has negative grades (Overall grades) in all 5 games and that Snyder is their lowest ranking starting OG through 5 weeks.

I'll eat crow on this. Let's make a move away from Snyder right now.

JohnnyV

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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:51 pm Post subject:

stchamp98 wrote:

#1CARDSFAN wrote:

stchamp98 wrote:

#1CARDSFAN wrote:

stchamp98 wrote:

That's because of the last 2 games. Stats don't tell the whole story.

PFF states that they have Snyder with a negative grade in all 5 games.

In the run game? I can see that for sure. In pass protection? That's not what I am seeing in the first 3 games but it could be true.

Worst in the league. And the said part is we knew this coming into the year. The stats were right in front of us and yet we gave this guy a multi-year deal. Stupid.
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:55 pm Post subject:

JohnnyV wrote:

stchamp98 wrote:

#1CARDSFAN wrote:

stchamp98 wrote:

#1CARDSFAN wrote:

stchamp98 wrote:

That's because of the last 2 games. Stats don't tell the whole story.

PFF states that they have Snyder with a negative grade in all 5 games.

In the run game? I can see that for sure. In pass protection? That's not what I am seeing in the first 3 games but it could be true.

Worst in the league. And the said part is we knew this coming into the year. The stats were right in front of us and yet we gave this guy a multi-year deal. Stupid.

Nobody knew he'd be this bad in the run game. Nobody could have seen that coming.

Chg91

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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:59 pm Post subject:

stchamp98 wrote:

Him being a liability in the pass game is something we should have all saw coming but he's obviously dealing with some serious issues in the run game that nobody could have/would have seen coming. Maybe it's the elbow, maybe it's not (Somers says it is...), either way we may have to think about making a move here.

It's not that hard to be a successful cog in the running game when that running game belongs to San Francisco. They've got some maulers, and even if he's lost a step, Gore is Gore. There's a reason I hated this hiring when we made it, and that's with the assumption that he would "only" be depth for us. Whoever's in charge of handling our FA acquisitions needs to go, they clearly don't know what they're doing.

stchamp98

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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 3:16 pm Post subject:

Chg91 wrote:

stchamp98 wrote:

None of that has anything to do with Snyder as an individual, which is how both PFF and Football Outsiders ranks him.

younggun1273

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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:36 pm Post subject:

#1CARDSFAN wrote:

stchamp98 wrote:

#1CARDSFAN wrote:

stchamp98 wrote:

That's because of the last 2 games. Stats don't tell the whole story.

PFF states that they have Snyder with a negative grade in all 5 games.

In the run game? I can see that for sure. In pass protection? That's not what I am seeing in the first 3 games but it could be true.

Here is a direct quote of what PFF said:

The three worst offenders, Bobby Massie, D’Anthony Batiste, and Adam Snyder were in their customary level of performance this week as well. Each player allowed at least five pressures and both Batiste and Snyder accounted for a trio of sacks allowed apiece. Of those three, it was only Massie who even looked halfway decent as a run blocker.
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:47 pm Post subject:

younggun1273 wrote:

#1CARDSFAN wrote:

stchamp98 wrote:

#1CARDSFAN wrote:

stchamp98 wrote:

That's because of the last 2 games. Stats don't tell the whole story.

PFF states that they have Snyder with a negative grade in all 5 games.

In the run game? I can see that for sure. In pass protection? That's not what I am seeing in the first 3 games but it could be true.

Well that's that. Cost us the game as well.

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