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dahobofest
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| vikingshomer wrote: | | pigsooie5 wrote: | NFC North
Aaron Rodgers
Jay Cutler
Matt Stafford
Christian Ponder |
How can the QB who has the second highest QB rating and the highest QBR be the worst? |
I haven't watched Ponder to really comment... but your only argument is based off 5 games... |
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SFaithful97
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| vikingshomer wrote: | | pigsooie5 wrote: | NFC North
Aaron Rodgers
Jay Cutler
Matt Stafford
Christian Ponder |
How can the QB who has the second highest QB rating and the highest QBR be the worst? |
I will take a wait and see approach, but he wasn't very efficient OR explosive last season. Until he does it for a bit more than 5 weeks, I don't see how you could take him over the other QB's in that division. This is probably the one division in football (with maybe the NFCE) in which the worst is not bad.
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Insane82
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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Im not to sure if the meaning of this thread counts as career wise or this season and if I missed it in the beginning my bad but Imma go off of this year only
AFCN-Weeden
AFCS-Gabbert
AFCE-Sanchez
AFCW-Cassel
NFCN-Stafford
NFCS-Freeman
NFCE-Romo
NFCW-Wilson
I pretty much just compared stats and from what I saw on TV since I get allot of these teams living on the east coast as I do |
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vikingsrule
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I have no issue with Ponder as the last QB in the division. But if we are basing it on this years performance, it has to be Stafford. |
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El ramster
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | I have no issue with Ponder as the last QB in the division. But if we are basing it on this years performance, it has to be Stafford. |
I don't think so.. Stafford had a year that Ponder might not ever repeat. He gets the benefit of the doubt.. But I feel like teams have figured out how to stop them.. Last year was a short lockout season.
Defenses really struggled, that might have contributed to his success.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| DetroitSpirit wrote: | | ArrowheadRage58 wrote: | | Ketchup wrote: | | BillsGuy82 wrote: | | Mark Sanchez is a better QB than Ryan Fitzpatrick IMO.. |
Sanchez has a beyond terrible 48.4 completion percentage to go with a 66.6 QB rating. Fitz has a 58.3 completion percentage with a QB rating at 84.2.
I can understand being a frustrated fan with your QB's play because Fitz is nothing close to special but Sanchez is the worst QB in the league right now, bar none. |
You forgot about Cassel...and the difference in weapons btw KC/NYJ.
As for the other talk, I wish someone like STl or TB would give up on their QB so KC would have a chance at them. |
Don't worry, you'll have Barkley soon enough. |
They already have Brady Quinn. That's enough overdrafted QBs for one team.
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vikingsrule
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| El ramster wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | | I have no issue with Ponder as the last QB in the division. But if we are basing it on this years performance, it has to be Stafford. |
I don't think so.. Stafford had a year that Ponder might not ever repeat. He gets the benefit of the doubt.. But I feel like teams have figured out how to stop them.. Last year was a short lockout season.
Defenses really struggled, that might have contributed to his success. |
Which is why I agree that Stafford is a much better QB than Ponder. But ignoring everything prior to 2012, Ponder has played slightly better than Stafford. Depends on what the argument is, who is playing better right now, or who is the better overall player considering career accomplishments? |
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dahobofest
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Insane82 wrote: | Im not to sure if the meaning of this thread counts as career wise or this season and if I missed it in the beginning my bad but Imma go off of this year only
AFCN-Weeden
AFCS-Gabbert
AFCE-Sanchez
AFCW-Cassel
NFCN-Stafford
NFCS-Freeman
NFCE-Romo
NFCW-Wilson
I pretty much just compared stats and from what I saw on TV since I get allot of these teams living on the east coast as I do |
That's pretty much what it looks like you did. |
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vikingshomer
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| SFaithful97 wrote: | | vikingshomer wrote: | | pigsooie5 wrote: | NFC North
Aaron Rodgers
Jay Cutler
Matt Stafford
Christian Ponder |
How can the QB who has the second highest QB rating and the highest QBR be the worst? |
I will take a wait and see approach, but he wasn't very efficient OR explosive last season. Until he does it for a bit more than 5 weeks, I don't see how you could take him over the other QB's in that division. This is probably the one division in football (with maybe the NFCE) in which the worst is not bad. |
Fair enough, I guess I'm just not very high on Cutler. He has the arm but is way too careless with the ball and that turns me off big time. I hate QBs who try and force things that aren't there, not to mention he has a bit of an attitude problem but that shouldn't factor at all into how good/bad he is. He has been no better than average his entire career. I value not being too reckless with the ball as a great priority to have. |
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| x0x wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: |
*facepalm*
Even if you think Kolb is better, whatever. He has better stats and I know 99.9% of the people on this site derive their opinions from stats. But Bradford has been easily better than Russell Wilson.
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Or, I have a bias against Bradford since he came into the league? Rams should have taken Vick and drafted Suh. Always maintain that.
As for right now? Bradford and Wilson are equals in my mind, but Wilson has the scrambling advantage.
I'm not going to argue Kolb is a good QB, but the rankings I'd do of the NFC West QBs are this:
Alex Smith: 7
Kevin Kolb: 6
Russel Wilson: 5.1
Sam Bradford: 5.0
Pretty weak division for QBs.
And for Cam Newton, I'm speaking this year. He's been bad. |
I think a huge bias.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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I definetly would have rather had Bradford over Vick. Atleast Bradford has potential. VIck has never even shown that he can stay healthy or be consistent so.
And RGIII>>>Vick |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| El ramster wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | | I have no issue with Ponder as the last QB in the division. But if we are basing it on this years performance, it has to be Stafford. |
I don't think so.. Stafford had a year that Ponder might not ever repeat. He gets the benefit of the doubt.. But I feel like teams have figured out how to stop them.. Last year was a short lockout season.
Defenses really struggled, that might have contributed to his success. |
If its this year, Ponder>Stafford, but its not really a fair comparison since Stafford does a lot a more than Ponder in the passing game.
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HighHopes
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| JammerHammer21 wrote: | | El ramster wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | | I have no issue with Ponder as the last QB in the division. But if we are basing it on this years performance, it has to be Stafford. |
I don't think so.. Stafford had a year that Ponder might not ever repeat. He gets the benefit of the doubt.. But I feel like teams have figured out how to stop them.. Last year was a short lockout season.
Defenses really struggled, that might have contributed to his success. |
If its this year, Ponder>Stafford, but its not really a fair comparison since Stafford does a lot a more than Ponder in the passing game. |
Its not fair that Ponder isnt as talented as Aaron Rodgers.
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I think itd be interesting to also then rate the 8 QBs from best to worst.
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AFC North: Brandon Weeden
AFC South: Blaine Gabbert
AFC East: Mark Sanchez
AFC West: Matt Cassel
NFC North: Matt Stafford
NFC South: Josh Freeman
NFC East: Michael Vick
NFC West: Kevin Kolb
(in order from best to worst)
1. Matt Stafford
2. Michael Vick
3. Kevin Kolb
4. Josh Freeman
5. Blaine Gabbert
6. Mark Sanchez
7. Brandon Weeden
8. Matt Cassel
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