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I was wondering if anyone has had a chance to really observe Smith when the team is struggling. Does he show emotion in trying to rally the troops or does he sometimes hang his head and sort of come across as being resigned to the outcome (not necessarily to losing, but in a way seeming to concede a third down play for example). When I have had a chance to watch him, I haven't seen him really fired up, and again, not saying he doesn't, I just haven't seen it much.
We have talked alot about his measurables and physical skill set, but I wanted to get some opinions from posters in here that might be more aware of Smith and some of his personality traits. It has been mentioned before that he seems to be pretty hard on himself after a loss, but I really would like to know if he projects as a true team leader personality (I know that is a hard thing to project).
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| Chiefer wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | Supersuavesky wrote: | | DontTazeMeBro wrote: | | khodder wrote: |
And to put this out there. Stats have zero bearing on a player evaluation. |
I don't see any other possible way Michael Crabtree and Justin Blackmon become blue chip prospects. |
Pretty sure it was routes for Blackmon and hands for Crabtree. |
It wasn't the routes for Blackmon. It was the YAC ability, ball-skills and hands. |
No. It was the Stache.
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| I have and yeah he does. He's not like the Alabama S&C coach or nothing, but he does get people hype. |
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nicfre2011
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Question for you quarterback gurus - How would you compare Geno Smith and Matt Ryan as college quarterbacks coming into the NFL? In just comparing their college resumes, which QB would you grade highest as a prospect?
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| nicfre2011 wrote: | I was wondering if anyone has had a chance to really observe Smith when the team is struggling. Does he show emotion in trying to rally the troops or does he sometimes hang his head and sort of come across as being resigned to the outcome (not necessarily to losing, but in a way seeming to concede a third down play for example). When I have had a chance to watch him, I haven't seen him really fired up, and again, not saying he doesn't, I just haven't seen it much.
We have talked alot about his measurables and physical skill set, but I wanted to get some opinions from posters in here that might be more aware of Smith and some of his personality traits. It has been mentioned before that he seems to be pretty hard on himself after a loss, but I really
would like to know if he projects as a true team leader personality (I know that is a hard thing to project). |
He didnt impress me in the least in the Cuse games. He
had his worst games against us and didnt come off as a leader whatsoever. He was baited into the silliest mistakes too. I know there are rumors swirling of a SU/WVU Pinstripe Bowl and everyone around here eagerly awaits Geno..again.
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In both those games Chandler Jones and the Cuse D sacked him at least 4 times. No QB plays well on his back.
In addition to that in 2011 he still threw for 338 and 2 TDs.
The biggest thing for a QB is accuracy. In all four seasons Smith has completed at least 60 pct of his passes. In addition the only game where you can argue he had a bad night was in the contest against K-State.... In which he had his lowest QBR of the season at and even 100 and still completed 65 percent of his passes. In comparison during the 2010 season, the first year of the first pick hype, Luck had 2 games with less the a 60 pct comp for the game. That was Luck's second year as a starter.
Although an argument can be made about the strength of his surronding weapons an even bigger argument can be made about the horrid O-line play that WVU has had in the post-Rich Rod era. Fact of the matter is the already poor showings would be even worse without Smith's quick decision making and even quicker release.
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Well ..best of luck to him in the NFL 
Certainly doesnt get any easier in the NFL. He also displayed a tendency to make mind-boggling throws under that pressure. In all seriousness, I never considered him a serious QB prospect having witnessed these games and someone hates Geno..they might draw Cuse in thier bowl game. And we still sack QB's.
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| Supersuavesky wrote: | | The biggest thing for a QB is accuracy. |
You have to take into account scheme. WVU runs a high percentage routes from their receivers, so you anticipate a high completion percentage. Sort of like Colt McCoy at Texas.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| nicfre2011 wrote: | | Question for you quarterback gurus - How would you compare Geno Smith and Matt Ryan as college quarterbacks coming into the NFL? In just comparing their college resumes, which QB would you grade highest as a prospect? |
Almost polar opposites. Matt Ryan was viewed very much as the heady quarterback who probably didn't have the physical tools to be a star in the league. Instead, you were going to get a guy who was going to complete a high percentage of his passes. Geno Smith on the other hand has much more impressive physical tools. A quick release and a strong arm give him the physical abilities to make all the throws required from a starting quarterback. The problem with Geno Smith lies between the ears. Does he have the mental capabilities to handle a complex offensive scheme while also dissecting an opposing defense whose hell bent on confusing him? Like I said, they're almost polar opposites as far as prospects go. Geno Smith is a better prospect than Matt Ryan, but then again I was never really high on Ryan. Preferred Brohm to Ryan to be honest. 
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| CWood21 wrote: | | Supersuavesky wrote: | | The biggest thing for a QB is accuracy. |
You have to take into account scheme. WVU runs a high percentage routes from their receivers, so you anticipate a high completion percentage. Sort of like Colt McCoy at Texas. |
I do. And the comment goes back to 2010 when Tavon Austin was the 4th option and Bailey the 3rd.
Pro style scheme with even more seam throws. I also keep going back to the 2010 Maryland game when Smith made a beautiful throw from the left has deep up the right sideline. Fit it in over the QB and under the safety with more the enough time.
People seem to believe this is a 2 season thing with him. It's not, he's been shining since he came out on to the field against Marshall as a freshman less the eight games in to his career. Came in and led three scoring drives(or was it two?) for the win.
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| Supersuavesky wrote: | I do. And the comment goes back to 2010 when Tavon Austin was the 4th option and Bailey the 3rd.
Pro style scheme with even more seam throws. I also keep going back to the 2010 Maryland game when Smith made a beautiful throw from the left has deep up the right sideline. Fit it in over the QB and under the safety with more the enough time.
People seem to believe this is a 2 season thing with him. It's not, he's been shining since he came out on to the field against Marshall as a freshman less the eight games in to his career. Came in and led three scoring drives(or was it two?) for the win. |
But it's the scheme he's in. I don't remember where I read it, but when the moved Tavon Austin in the backfield against Oklahoma they only ran two plays against the Sooners D. Run left and run right. If they're running that simple of an offensive scheme just running the ball, imagine how basic it is in the passing game. LIS from the beginning, Geno Smith will make his money in the board room. If he can impress GM/coaches with his board talk, he'll easily be the #1 pick. If not, he's going to sink to the back end of the top ten. That's my biggest concern with him and part of the reason I was so slow to get on his bandwagon. I don't have a problem with the talent, I have concerns with between the ears and that's something I don't have access to.
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With that I can only add as I don't have personally intel is the story of Smith having such a solid grasp on his offense that for his junior and senior years high school he was allowed to call the plays on there way to a deep state title run.
Add to that a TV quote in 2010 about him having an advanced command of his offense as a first year starter and the fact that he's had to learn to seperate offensive schemes in his college career I'm assured on the surface at least that he'll more then impress.
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| Giantsfan80 wrote: | Well ..best of luck to him in the NFL
Certainly doesnt get any easier in the NFL. He also displayed a tendency to make mind-boggling throws under that pressure. In all seriousness, I never considered him a serious QB prospect having witnessed these games and someone hates Geno..they might draw Cuse in thier bowl game. And we still sack QB's. |
But how can you not love this guy? Sky is the limit for Geno.
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I didnt come away impressed by Geno. I dont like gimmicky offenses to begin with so he was at a disadvantage with me. Geno was horrible under pressure (5 interceptions in 2 games) and not only did he not impress anyone, he was the butt of alot of jokes. Teddy Bridgewater recently came to town..even in a loss he opened eyes here and 100% looked the part. Best of luck to Kansas City
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| FootballProdiG wrote: | But how can you not love this guy? Sky is the limit for Geno.
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Because he throws into triple coverage.
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