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MathMan
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| milesles wrote: | | macklemore wrote: | | MNPackfan32 wrote: | | Simple question. Why???? Quite possibly the single dumbest idea I have ever heard. |
1. too many injuries on kickoffs.
2. less injuries on punts.
3. how often do onside kicks work? this gives the team a better chance of getting the ball back late in the game, making football more exciting. |
Why not just do away with kickers and punters?
Have the QB or someone with an arm throw the ball as far as they can instead of kickoffs, punts and field goals. |
Or how about a "pass as good as a punt" rule on 4th down
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MathMan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| milesles wrote: | | macklemore wrote: | | MNPackfan32 wrote: | | Simple question. Why???? Quite possibly the single dumbest idea I have ever heard. |
1. too many injuries on kickoffs.
2. less injuries on punts.
3. how often do onside kicks work? this gives the team a better chance of getting the ball back late in the game, making football more exciting. |
Why not just do away with kickers and punters?
Have the QB or someone with an arm throw the ball as far as they can instead of kickoffs, punts and field goals. |
Or how about a "pass as good as a punt" rule on 4th down
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| stallyns wrote: | | MNPackfan32 wrote: | | If this is really about injuries, especially head injuries on kick offs, why isn't it manditory to wear a Revo Speed? If the NFL is really that worried about head injuries why isn't the latest and greatest helmet standard for every player? Plus with how the kickoff is set up now, most kickoffs are touchbacks anyways. |
it is peculiar that the NFL leaves it up to the players and most don't wear the safer helmets until after they get a concussion. |
Right. If everybody was so worried about concussions nobody would wear those old helmets. With how many kickoffs are touchbacks now, there is very minimal injuries on kickoffs. Also, a player can walk away if they dont want to get hurt on kickoffs, quit, retire. A lot of guys don't wear new helmets tell me they are not worried about concussions. |
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Boltstrikes
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| milesles wrote: | | macklemore wrote: | | MNPackfan32 wrote: | | Simple question. Why???? Quite possibly the single dumbest idea I have ever heard. |
1. too many injuries on kickoffs.
2. less injuries on punts.
3. how often do onside kicks work? this gives the team a better chance of getting the ball back late in the game, making football more exciting. |
Why not just do away with kickers and punters?
Have the QB or someone with an arm throw the ball as far as they can instead of kickoffs, punts and field goals. |
Kyle Boller would love this idea.
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stallyns
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Silver&Black88 wrote: | | stallyns wrote: | | As the article says, the idea is to get rid of high speed collisions which I don't disagree with. I think this isn't the greatest idea but I'm sure the competition committee can probably brainstorm tweeks to this to make it more reasonable. |
What made me laugh was how it said that, but the replacement for the high speed collisions on kickoffs for the most part would be high speed collisions on punts. |
but punts start off with players lined up on the line of scrimmage not so with kick offs. Although that does mean larger players involved in the plays, but nowhere near as many players invloved in the high speed aspect. |
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fretgod99
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| stallyns wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | stallyns wrote: | | As the article says, the idea is to get rid of high speed collisions which I don't disagree with. I think this isn't the greatest idea but I'm sure the competition committee can probably brainstorm tweeks to this to make it more reasonable. |
What made me laugh was how it said that, but the replacement for the high speed collisions on kickoffs for the most part would be high speed collisions on punts. |
but punts start off with players lined up on the line of scrimmage not so with kick offs. Although that does mean larger players involved in the plays, but nowhere near as many players invloved in the high speed aspect. |
Correct. Additionally, you don't have blockers running full speed at tacklers twenty yards away. That's where much of the danger comes in on kick-offs.
I think something will likely eventually be done to change kickoffs, whether it's this or something else.
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This seems like more of a Gen topic at this point, since it's really just an idea being floated. I'm going to move it there for now.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| VYoung10 wrote: | | Just think of the salary cap that would clear up without having some of these kickers on their rosters. Grand idea. |
They didn't eliminate field goals too... A kicker would still be an important part of the game.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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What if the team elects to punt but lines up in a kickoff formation?
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| stallyns wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | stallyns wrote: | | As the article says, the idea is to get rid of high speed collisions which I don't disagree with. I think this isn't the greatest idea but I'm sure the competition committee can probably brainstorm tweeks to this to make it more reasonable. |
What made me laugh was how it said that, but the replacement for the high speed collisions on kickoffs for the most part would be high speed collisions on punts. |
but punts start off with players lined up on the line of scrimmage not so with kick offs. Although that does mean larger players involved in the plays, but nowhere near as many players invloved in the high speed aspect. |
My vision of it was a punt in the format of a free kick like after a safety, where the punter actually gets to kick the ball from the 30, not that he's lined up 15 yards behind the LOS which is at the 30. |
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tylerdouglass
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They should just have someone yell "FIVE HUNDRED! DEAD OR ALIVE!" and huck it up in the air.
Whoever came up with this idea should step down from whatever position they hold in the football world.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| IDOG_det wrote: | | What if the team elects to punt but lines up in a kickoff formation? |
There would have to be a center and a holder.
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broncos67
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Honestly, if you like football I have no idea how you can even remotely support this idea. The hits to QBs heads and whatnot, I understand that, and it's different than what this rule change proposes. The 4th and 15 thing is absolutely absurd. It's something a child would make up.
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iPwn
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| tylerdouglass wrote: | | Whoever came up with this idea should step down from whatever position they hold in the football world. |
I'm sure you'd like that, being that it's the Bucs' head coach. 
After being around Eric LeGrand, I'm sure he has a soft spot for preventing the injuries that took the kid's livelihood. I don't think there's anything wrong with opening up a dialogue and brainstorming ideas like this.
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tylerdouglass
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| iPwn wrote: | | tylerdouglass wrote: | | Whoever came up with this idea should step down from whatever position they hold in the football world. |
I'm sure you'd like that, being that it's the Bucs' head coach.
After being around Eric LeGrand, I'm sure he has a soft spot for preventing the injuries that took the kid's livelihood. I don't think there's anything wrong with opening up a dialogue and brainstorming ideas like this. |
Oh. I like Schiano. 
Let's just put Goodell's head on a spike instead, it makes sense if you don't think about it.
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Rejuvenation
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| This is a terrible idea and I hope it never seriously gets implemented into the game. Schiano and Goodell can screw off with this one. |
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