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Withmy89vision
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Castillo was scapegoated for sure. Defense has been worse without him.
Also, consider these things:
1.It's hard to coach a defense when handicapped by someone else's scheme
2.When the defense is not getting rest because the offense is going 3 and out or turning the ball over, that makes those long drives by the opposing offense easily sustained.
3.The safeties. The wide 9 limits you to where you need 2 super safeties, plus some good linebackers to boot. However, Kurt Coleman and Nate Allen are both decent, ballhawk type of free safeties who are meant to roam or help cover deep. They are not Polamalu, they cannot be expected to help with run support and pass defense. Between the scheme and the fact you have two free safeties and no strong safety, that sucks.
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Dr. Philly
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| Withmy89vision wrote: | Castillo was scapegoated for sure. Defense has been worse without him.
Also, consider these things:
1.It's hard to coach a defense when handicapped by someone else's scheme
2.When the defense is not getting rest because the offense is going 3 and out or turning the ball over, that makes those long drives by the opposing offense easily sustained.
3.The safeties. The wide 9 limits you to where you need 2 super safeties, plus some good linebackers to boot. However, Kurt Coleman and Nate Allen are both decent, ballhawk type of free safeties who are meant to roam or help cover deep. They are not Polamalu, they cannot be expected to help with run support and pass defense. Between the scheme and the fact you have two free safeties and no strong safety, that sucks. |
Oh lord
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JaguarCrazy2832
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Not sure if the Wide-9 has a place in the NFL anymore
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| JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | Not sure if the Wide-9 has a place in the NFL anymore |
idk..... how do you think Babin recorded a crap load of sacks when he was with the Titans?
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Washburn's arm length?
You guessed it- 31.5".
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| Dubyajay wrote: | Washburn's arm length?
You guessed it- 31.5". |
Nice. It all makes sense now.
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| JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | Not sure if the Wide-9 has a place in the NFL anymore |
Every 4-3 uses it.
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Withmy89vision
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| Dr. Philly wrote: | | Withmy89vision wrote: | Castillo was scapegoated for sure. Defense has been worse without him.
Also, consider these things:
1.It's hard to coach a defense when handicapped by someone else's scheme
2.When the defense is not getting rest because the offense is going 3 and out or turning the ball over, that makes those long drives by the opposing offense easily sustained.
3.The safeties. The wide 9 limits you to where you need 2 super safeties, plus some good linebackers to boot. However, Kurt Coleman and Nate Allen are both decent, ballhawk type of free safeties who are meant to roam or help cover deep. They are not Polamalu, they cannot be expected to help with run support and pass defense. Between the scheme and the fact you have two free safeties and no strong safety, that sucks. |
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If Kurt Coleman had like Dashon Goldson or Kam Chancellor as his strong safety worrying about the run and the short passes, Coleman would work fine as the clean-up crew.
Problem is the wide-9 demands he help double the WRs, cover the tight ends, and also cover the gap the DE missed in the run game.
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| RainbowCarebear wrote: | | JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | Not sure if the Wide-9 has a place in the NFL anymore |
Every 4-3 uses it. |
No.
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| RuskieTitan wrote: | | RainbowCarebear wrote: | | JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | Not sure if the Wide-9 has a place in the NFL anymore |
Every 4-3 uses it. |
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In obvious passing downs. |
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 I think its one of those old men not wanting to "play house" and be cute with each other, if Jim knew he wasn't going to be back next year i could see him going on some crazy rant and telling the entire front office and Andy Reid to "Go to Hell" and may of pulled out a fire arm or two to get his point across..
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| Dr. Philly wrote: | | Withmy89vision wrote: | Castillo was scapegoated for sure. Defense has been worse without him.
Also, consider these things:
1.It's hard to coach a defense when handicapped by someone else's scheme
2.When the defense is not getting rest because the offense is going 3 and out or turning the ball over, that makes those long drives by the opposing offense easily sustained.
3.The safeties. The wide 9 limits you to where you need 2 super safeties, plus some good linebackers to boot. However, Kurt Coleman and Nate Allen are both decent, ballhawk type of free safeties who are meant to roam or help cover deep. They are not Polamalu, they cannot be expected to help with run support and pass defense. Between the scheme and the fact you have two free safeties and no strong safety, that sucks. |
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i agree with him...i would put them as decent..not good...but someone you dont have to immediately replace. its not good we have two of to of those safeties....but they are decent....they are just put in a really hard spot for there skill set and talent level....its like putting peyton manning into a option offense and when he sucks because hes slow saying that he is a bad qb.
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | RuskieTitan wrote: | | RainbowCarebear wrote: | | JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | Not sure if the Wide-9 has a place in the NFL anymore |
Every 4-3 uses it. |
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In obvious passing downs. |
Sometimes, but not always.
Point is, with Washburn, it's a Wide-9 dominated system. Doesn't matter if it's 3rd and long or 1st and 10. That's the system. When you have a dominating DT like contract year Albert Haynesworth, the system can really thrive.
If a team wants to run a predominately wide-9, they need to have a hell of a defensive line, and linebackers to play the run and cover as well.
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | RuskieTitan wrote: | | RainbowCarebear wrote: | | JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | Not sure if the Wide-9 has a place in the NFL anymore |
Every 4-3 uses it. |
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In obvious passing downs. |
not true at all. Atlanta doesn't use it one bit. They go to the 7's but that's about it.
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Kurt Coleman might be the worst starter in the NFL. People calling him "decent" and blaming the "scheme" just don't want to face facts, they'd rather have inadequate coaching than inadequate players. Kurt Coleman is garbage, he's strictly a special teams player if he even makes a roster next season. And Nate Allen isn't any better.
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