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YoungBucs15


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5nick5 wrote:
eggybucsfan31 wrote:


Laughing


In my mind that guy is BSH.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5nick5 wrote:
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Laughing

LOL, that's so sad, but it made me laugh too Laughing

Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So looking into Free Agency which of these guys do you think we have a shot at that wont be retained by their teams?
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Top Cornerbacks:

Brent Grimes (ATL) - After a couple of All-Pro caliber seasons under his belt, Grimes was unable to reach a long-term extension with the Falcons. A season-ending injury such as this often gives merit to camp holdouts, but with an increased importance at the position and diminishing number of true top flight corners, Grimes should still hold value this offseason. His contract situation with the Falcons may depend on the team’s season unfolds and Grimes’ contract ballpark may depend on how fast he heals.

Tracy Porter (DEN) - After being unable to find a long-term home for himself, Porter accepted a 1 year, $4 million deal to start opposite a waning Champ Bailey on the other side. Through the early stretch of the season, Porter has played well. If only he can stay healthy, an issue that haunted him in New Orleans, Porter should be able to cash in after a successful “prove it” season.

Sean Smith (MIA) - After trading another up-and-coming corner and former first round pick in Vontae Davis, the Dolphins showed confidence and placed a lot of stock in their long corner Sean Smith. If there's anything his career has shown so far, it's been inconsistency. If Smith gets everything to click for an entire season, he surely has Pro Bowl capability. Miami seems almost a lock to retain Smith, but the quality and consistency of his 2012 season will go a long way in determining the size and length of his contract.

Quentin Jammer (SD) - For the past 7+ years, Quentin Jammer has been among the most underrated defensive backs in the league. As one of the most consistent cover corners, he's hardly gotten so much as a Pro Bowl mention to his name. Now with a contract expiring, Jammer will be 34 as the 2013 season begins. He's signed his last big contract, but despite struggling a bit last year, there is still quality play in front of Jammer.

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (PHI) - After trading for him in the infamous Kevin Kolb trade (which is now being re-evaluated), the Eagles traded their Pro Bowl corner Asante Samuel, propelling DRC into a start boundary corner position. He has the length and speed to challenge top receivers downfield, but has struggled consistently covering more polished receivers. He's hardly a top flight corner, but he's the only starting corner the Eagles have opposite Nnamdi Asomugha.

Derek Cox (JAC) - Though struggling to stay over a full 16-game schedule, Cox has been a strong starter when on the field. Averaging just 6.4 YPA against him over the past two years, allowing completions against him less than 50% of the time, the Jaguars will definitely look to re-sign him to maintain continuity in a middling, but improving defense.

Aqib Talib (TB) - Besides finishing among league leaders in boneheaded decisions and off-field incidents, Talib has turned in seasons as one of the better corners in the league. With size, athletic ability, and ball skills, he's brings tremendous value to a defensive backfield in today's game. However, Coach Schiano and the new regime may be less tolerant of Talib's off-field distractions.

Safeties:

Ed Reed (BAL) - Will he re-sign with Baltimore or will he retire? Even a 35 year old Ed Reed will excite the Ravens organization if he chooses to continue his professional career. Though he's agentless, Reed's mentioned to the media in the past that his heart is entirely in the Ravens organization and he's looking to play beyond this year. The odds of him suiting up in a different jersey next year is minimal.

William Moore (ATL) - Through the first three games of the regular season, there have been few safeties better than Williams Moore. He's an imposing safety with good speed, consistent tackling, great hitting power, and natural instincts. However, through his first three seasons, he's struggled through injuries and will need to prove he can play a 16-game season before seeing that sizeable contract his on-field play suggests.

Dashon Goldson (SF) - Goldson had the best season of his career for the opportunistic 49ers defense. Reeling in 6 interceptions and a fumble recovery of his own, Goldson not only provided the Niners with much needed turnovers, but helped prevent big plays in the backend with strong discipline. With the amount of volatility and up-and-down play at the safety position in the league, it's hard to fault the Niners for not coming to some sort of compromise after last year. However, with Goldson coming strong out of the gates again, it seems that's he'll earn an extension after this year.

LaRon Landry (WAS) - Signing a 1 year, $3.5 million deal with the Jets coming off an Achilles injury, Landry received the quintessential "prove it" contract. Now losing Darrelle Revis to injury, the Jets safeties will again be truly tested and Landry will have to help hold the secondary together. If he can make it through the year in the good graces of the team, he'll be in position to earn a bigger payday. Still, with his history of injury and inconsistency, another long-term lucrative payday does not appear to be forthcoming from New York or anywhere else.

Jairus Byrd (BUF) - After a rookie season littered with fortunate passes thrown directly his way, Byrd's interception totals have normalized. Whereas the interceptions are no longer coming in bunches, Byrd has improved his game in other areas to become one of the league's better safeties. With great range and anticipatory skills in center field, Byrd is reliable free safety capable of forcing quarterbacks to hold the ball and double check his position on the field before throwing the deep ball. In a pass-heavy league, one of the best young safeties in the game should be high on the Bills' priority list this season.

Louis Delmas (DET) - Though Delmas has never broken free into the top tier of safeties, his absence has left the Lions reeling and pining for his return to the field where his reliability and hard-hitting ability has helped minimize the bleeding in the secondary. As the Lions look to find areas where they can improve, the secondary will be at the top of their list and within that priority list, retaining their own starting safety will be high up.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was just disgusting. Even being up 21-16 snd somehow held them we didn't deserve to win the game.

Freeman is atrocious. The first half was simply laughable. 5/15 for 65 yards? I remember many saying that Dallas game earlier in the season was a fluke. Well 2 weeks straight he completes less thank 50% passes. It's like he's not recognizing coverages presnap. Eagles sat in cover to take away deep balls. Yet he fails to recognize this? Failing to hit open guys. Wow. Accuracy isn't something you can teach either. I remember on a 2nd and 10 free hits a wide open mike Williams on a stop route and he had a ton of seperation to make a move. The ball was so off target Williams has to jump to make the catch. Awful.

If dominik locks him up , he should be fired. Unfortunately the 2013 qb is suspect that we got to stick with freeman.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YoungBucs15 wrote:
5nick5 wrote:
eggybucsfan31 wrote:


Laughing


In my mind that guy is BSH.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YoungBucs15 wrote:
5nick5 wrote:
YoungBucs15 wrote:
RoeKG wrote:
eggybucsfan31 wrote:
Today should prove to everyone that the pass rush isn't the problem. It's the 1-AA level secondary we're throwing out there.


I'll admit I was wrong about that idea.

However, I think the inept offense is more to blame for the loss. We all knew the secondary would be bad, and Foles looked good exposing them. The offense is the bread and butter of this team, and they only scored points because Martin is a good RB, because of a huge special teams mistake, and some penalty gifts that the Eagles gave us. We didn't really earn the lead in this game. Freeman completed like 30-40% of his passes (didn't look up the stats).

Yes, there was a dropped INT. Yes, there were some bad catches given up late in the game. But the team is never in that situation if the offense clicks even a little bit, even if just in the 4th quarter. Freeman lost us this game way more than the secondary did.


Part of me wants to believe you are joking. Must have missed that part that Freeman was playing ironman football and allowed all those horrible plays happen on defense. Last time i checked the Eagles scored 0 points with Freeman on the field.


Well Freeman while on the field scored 0 points for about 35 minutes thanks to a lucky muffed punt.


Good thing football games aren't only 35 minutes long.


Yeah, good thing that for 35 minutes we didn't do anything against a team that has lost 8 straight games. Good thing that our high scoring offense that clearly is the only reason we are winning games (not like the defense is doing it) couldn't put points on the board.

Good thing the one guy that can make our team successful didn't show up today.

Our secondary has been torched all season. It shouldn't be a surprise that they were torched again. We have a bunch of rookies, UDFAs and guys off the street playing corner. Biggers is probably our best corner, and has the most experience, and has the highest draft status of all of our CBs as a 7th rounder.

Meanwhile we have Freeman, who at one points was on the MVP watch list on ESPN (I know, it's ESPN, but still), who completed 41% of his passes for less than 200 yards.

The secondary played as bad as they have all season. Freeman played like hot garbage. When Freeman plays like hot garbage, the team is awful. That's the thing that stands out at the beginning of the season, the middle, and now. Freeman was bad, great, and bad again, and we had a 3 game losing streak, a 4 game winning streak, and a 3 game losing streak at the exact same times. Hmmmm.... I wonder who's fault it really is...

Football is a game of cause and effect, and if you're only pointing to the last few plays, you utterly overlooked what put us in that position to begin with.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't even want to talk about this game, it pisses me off that much.... it hurt to even click on this forum Laughing

I'll say two things:
-Freeman needs to step up, his accuracy has been more than inconsistent and is inexcusable. His "bad spurts" have particularly cost us these past two weeks. He's 24 and like it or not, he's the best QB this franchise has ever had...... but my god he needs to step up. I love the kid, but he's got to be better.
-Our secondary still sucks
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, everybody take their Zoloft.
It wasn't that bad.

The Eagles had been playing under a wide-9 defense which didn't work.
They fired the DL coach and turned the defense over to a coordinator widely regarded as a potential head coach.
Also, there was no film on Bowles' full package leading up to this week.
This would account for a lot of the perceived struggles.

Tampa Bay stymied a running attack that had gashed the league when used.
Nick Foles led the Eagles in rushing today. He had 27 yards.
Hell, if he ran any slower, he'd be going backwards.

Also, speaking of Foles, he's a rookie QB.
Up until now he has been like a mongoloid at a magic show.
He is just now coming of age.

This game was only half a season removed from the shoe being on the other foot.
Imagine the 1-3 Bucs playing the 3-1 Eagles eight weeks ago.
Would this have been such a disappointment?

A lot of football comes down to timing.
Injuries, replacements, schedule, etc.
You're lucky the Saints were essentially eliminated this week and St. Louis could be next.
Combine that with a likely meaningless game for Atlanta and you still have a chance.
The only thing for which the Eagles have a chance is a higher pick and that requires losing.
And, who likes losing?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyatemydingo wrote:
OK, everybody take their Zoloft.
It wasn't that bad.

The Eagles had been playing under a wide-9 defense which didn't work.
They fired the DL coach and turned the defense over to a coordinator widely regarded as a potential head coach.
Also, there was no film on Bowles' full package leading up to this week.
This would account for a lot of the perceived struggles.

Tampa Bay stymied a running attack that had gashed the league when used.
Nick Foles led the Eagles in rushing today. He had 27 yards.
Hell, if he ran any slower, he'd be going backwards.

Also, speaking of Foles, he's a rookie QB.
Up until now he has been like a mongoloid at a magic show.
He is just now coming of age.

This game was only half a season removed from the shoe being on the other foot.
Imagine the 1-3 Bucs playing the 3-1 Eagles eight weeks ago.
Would this have been such a disappointment?

A lot of football comes down to timing.
Injuries, replacements, schedule, etc.
You're lucky the Saints were essentially eliminated this week and St. Louis could be next.
Combine that with a likely meaningless game for Atlanta and you still have a chance.
The only thing for which the Eagles have a chance is a higher pick and that requires losing.
And, who likes losing?

I'm really not surprised that we lost, I expected it to be close. What's frustrating is how we lost.

Losing on the last play of the game is a kick to the gut, but it's not just that. In the first half our offense sucked, but our defense played great. Then in the 2nd half our offense put 21 points on the board only to see the defense collapse in the last 6 minutes. We struggle to have all phases click at the same time. It's incredibly frustrating.
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