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BlaqOptic
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| Sciz wrote: | | ErnestoGuevara wrote: | | Mayo might have had a good year, but Timmons' was far better. |
They also shouldn't be compared at all because Mayo played the entire year at 4-3 OLB. If Chad Greenway is an OLB, then Mayo is an OLB. And if Mayo had gotten the same number of votes at OLB that he did at ILB, then he would have made the second team. |
So Timmons has more responsibility and still outplayed him is what I'm hearing? MLB/ILB > OLB. It's 2010 all over again.
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Cruz wasnt even an HM |
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UofMfan909
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| BlaqOptic wrote: | | UofMfan909 wrote: | | BlaqOptic wrote: | Knew the list was a joke when Peyton Manning won he 1st team All-Pro spot despite inferior numbers across the board to Aaron Rodgers except for yardage despite a much better running game and a healthy supporting cast helping him out...
Also, good to know that Patrick Willis and Navorro Bowman are always going to make it on name, not on their play. I'm not saying that they're not good. They're bot top 5-10. But Lawrence Timmons has outplayed Willis in 2010 and 2012 and didn't receive the votes simply because of Willis' play in the past. Willis and Bowman had much more help around them than Timmons. |
This argument has probably been said for every 49ers player on defense by now. I've seen it for Aldon countless times, for Goldson, for Culliver, for Rogers, now for Willis and Bowman, I'm sure it's emerged for Justin Smith... so what gives. Which of them are actually elite, and which are just good players feeding off the rest? |
At no point did I ever say they weren't elite. At what point did I ever say that they weren't elite? I said top 5-10 which was mainly aimed at Bowman because I have the top 5 ILB as...
1.) Willis
2.) Cushing
3.) Timmons
4.) Johnson
5.) Bowman
Nor have I ever questioned the other people. You seem to forget I was pushing for Justin Smith as DPoTY last season. The ONLY 2 49ers I think are benefitting from play by others are Aldon Smith and Navorro Bowman. However, as you can see Bowman is still ranked 5th at his respective position by me. However, Smith's sackless streak once Justin went out speaks volumes to me.
All I'm saying is those 2 merely have to eclipse 100 tackles and have a few splash plays for the next 4 or 5 seasons in order to get All-Pro honors and it's not fair. But I guess I shouldn't be whining as Maurkice Pouncey only has to play 14 games a season to get All-Pro honors apparently.
All I am saying is that Lawrence Timmons is getting screwed over fo the 2nd time. Not that they're not good. |
I wasn't aiming that at you, for what it's worth. I remember you pushing Justin Smith as DPOY (which he rightfully was, tbh). I took exception to the "top ten" label because I felt it was an insult to Willis to be placed in the same sentence as something as inclusive as a ten deep list. I can agree with you on Bowman to an extent, but he's really a great player and would thrive on most teams. He obviously benefits from playing with Willis and Smith, but he's still a great player in his own right (I'd have him somewhere in the lower top five, like you).
I also agree with you on Aldon. He's a good player but I don't think he's as elite as his stats indicate. He is nearer the bottom of the top five of important 49er defenders than the top (Willis, Bowman, Smith, Goldson, and Aldon are the top five, order is debatable after 1, Smith, and 2, Willis).
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Sciz
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| BlaqOptic wrote: | | So Timmons has more responsibility and still outplayed him is what I'm hearing? MLB/ILB > OLB. It's 2010 all over again. |
Well apparently you're just going to hear what you want to hear, then. I guess you might as well just make the entire All Pro OL left tackles, because they have the most responsibility. |
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Billy Spikes
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Sciz
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Billy Spikes wrote: | | For those who are wondering, Tim Ryan of Fox Sports is the guy who didn't put a vote for Calvin Johnosn. |
Did we ever find who prevented Brady from getting unanimous in 2007? |
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JammerHammer21
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Ugh, Weddle second team. Well at least he made it. Damn Pro Bowl is such a joke. 
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Billy Spikes
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| Sciz wrote: | | Billy Spikes wrote: | | For those who are wondering, Tim Ryan of Fox Sports is the guy who didn't put a vote for Calvin Johnosn. |
Did we ever find who prevented Brady from getting unanimous in 2007? |
Haven't heard about it, can't believe Brett Favre got that vote though.
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panther dude
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Luke got votes!! VICTORY 
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Timmons is officially the most underrated player in the league.
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| BlaqOptic wrote: | | ErnestoGuevara wrote: | | Dalton wrote: | Add this to the list of NFL jokes:
Pro Bowl - check
MVP - check
All Pros - check |
Why doesn't FF do one? I'm sure it would be way better, at the very least more discussion. |
We usually do because the Associated Press usually messes up the Award Votes, the All-Pro teams and the world just messes up the Pro BOwl. |
LOL at everything sucking in the opinion of FF.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s15e07-youre-getting-old
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BlaqOptic
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| sp6488 wrote: | | BlaqOptic wrote: | | ErnestoGuevara wrote: | | Dalton wrote: | Add this to the list of NFL jokes:
Pro Bowl - check
MVP - check
All Pros - check |
Why doesn't FF do one? I'm sure it would be way better, at the very least more discussion. |
We usually do because the Associated Press usually messes up the Award Votes, the All-Pro teams and the world just messes up the Pro BOwl. |
LOL at everything sucking in the opinion of FF.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s15e07-youre-getting-old |
Can I help you?
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| JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | Yes, Victor Cruz is a bigger asset to a QB than Antonio Brown is. Id be hard-pressed to find many people that would take the latter. |
| JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | 10. Antonio Brown |
Cruz wasnt even an HM |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Bobikus wrote: | | Timmons is officially the most underrated player in the league. |
No. No Wilkerson didn't even get one vote. Antonio Cromartie also didn't make it and he was the second best CB in the NFL this season.
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BlaqOptic
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| green24 wrote: | | Bobikus wrote: | | Timmons is officially the most underrated player in the league. |
No. No Wilkerson didn't even get one vote. Antonio Cromartie also didn't make it and he was the second best CB in the NFL this season. |
I didn't see much of Cro but he looked bad against Pitt. But I can't base a entire season off of one game.
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| JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | Yes, Victor Cruz is a bigger asset to a QB than Antonio Brown is. Id be hard-pressed to find many people that would take the latter. |
| JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | 10. Antonio Brown |
Cruz wasnt even an HM |
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texans_uk
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| PatriotsWin! wrote: | | Lol @ Mankins making it. These voters just go off name it seems. |
It's still better than most.
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green24
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| BlaqOptic wrote: | | green24 wrote: | | Bobikus wrote: | | Timmons is officially the most underrated player in the league. |
No. No Wilkerson didn't even get one vote. Antonio Cromartie also didn't make it and he was the second best CB in the NFL this season. |
I didn't see much of Cro but he looked bad against Pitt. But I can't base a entire season off of one game. |
I might be wrong, but I don't think Cro gave up a single TD between that game and Week 16.
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#JDI | ramssuperbowl99 wrote: | | Prince Fielder has an outside shot at being the home run king when it is all said and done. |
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