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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Uh... Todd Hailey took a Top 10 QB and turned him into unquestionably a top 6 QB all without a viable running back on the depth chart and a bevy of offensive line injuries... Norv Turner got Phillip Rivers destroyed.


Brady Rodgers Brees Manning Ryan RG3?
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Stunnaboy wrote:
BlaqOptic wrote:
Uh... Todd Hailey took a Top 10 QB and turned him into unquestionably a top 6 QB all without a viable running back on the depth chart and a bevy of offensive line injuries... Norv Turner got Phillip Rivers destroyed.


Brady Rodgers Brees Manning Ryan RG3?
before Ben got hurt I don't think you could convince anyone that RG3 or Ryan was a better QB.
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Stunnaboy wrote:
BlaqOptic wrote:
Uh... Todd Hailey took a Top 10 QB and turned him into unquestionably a top 6 QB all without a viable running back on the depth chart and a bevy of offensive line injuries... Norv Turner got Phillip Rivers destroyed.


Brady Rodgers Brees Manning Ryan RG3?

Big Ben is better than Ryan and RG3 at this point.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Too bad Turner is overrated, Horton won't pan out in my opinion and their coach is going to be out of town in 2 years... And I don't say this as a Steelers fan. I say this as someone who never liked the HC signing in the first place.


Says the guy with Todd Haley as the OC... I hear yinz are still upset about Brucey leaving town.


Uh... Todd Hailey took a Top 10 QB and turned him into unquestionably a top 6 QB all without a viable running back on the depth chart and a bevy of offensive line injuries... Norv Turner got Phillip Rivers destroyed.


Rivers was turned into a top QB by Norv. Norv was just an idiot and kept calling 7 step drops despite having a LT who made those Steeler LTs look like All Pros. He should be better in Cleveland, but he's a stubborn play caller.
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The Browns should have kept Heckert, but other than that they have done a pretty good job so far. The verdict is still out on whether Chudzinski will be a good HC, but it'll be hard for him to fail in my opinion with Norv as the OC and Horton as the DC.

Exactly what I was thinking - hope this brings this storied team back to the forefront.
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green24 wrote:
Stunnaboy wrote:
BlaqOptic wrote:
Uh... Todd Hailey took a Top 10 QB and turned him into unquestionably a top 6 QB all without a viable running back on the depth chart and a bevy of offensive line injuries... Norv Turner got Phillip Rivers destroyed.


Brady Rodgers Brees Manning Ryan RG3?

Big Ben is better than Ryan and RG3 at this point.

yeah before Big Ben got hurt he was looking really good, specially at leading my fantasy football team lol

He was playing top5 with Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, and Big Ben
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coaches are so overrated lol
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice hire for Cleveland. As others have said they have quite the coaching staff shaping up.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very good hire.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good coaching staff, terrible GM.

Can the coaches cover the front office? Will remain to be seen.
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RuskieTitan wrote:
Good coaching staff, terrible GM.

Can the coaches cover the front office? Will remain to be seen.


there really isnt a GM...so you cant have a terrible GM when there is no GM
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D.Revis24 wrote:
With Horton, the Cardinals had more talent on defense and were never a elite unit.


2012 they were an elite unit. Look at their 3rd down% numbers their RZ Defense numbers, their yards and points/drive numbers, their turnovers/drive numbers.

All indicate elite defense, and this with no true pass rushing OLB, 2 gapping on the DL with Darnell Dockett, and a void at ILB where Paris Lenon was supposed to be playing.

Yeah there was some talent there and having Patrick Peterson allowed them to do some different and special things in coverage to create and extra rusher wihtout giving up too much in coverage, but I suspect Ray will do a similar thing with Joe Haden.

I can see this Browns defense struggling early as they get to grips with the complexities of the Horton D (Lot of different things happening pre-snap) and we will see big plays and blown coverages, but down the stretch we are going to see a top notch unit come out of it.
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