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Who?
Smith
2%
 2%  [ 2 ]
Watt
71%
 71%  [ 58 ]
Allen
11%
 11%  [ 9 ]
Matthews
6%
 6%  [ 5 ]
Long
8%
 8%  [ 7 ]
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vang_evo9


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clearly Watt! Obviously just a beast at whatever he is needed to do for his team and mates!!

ClayMaker is defintely second! Isn't as good as a passrusher as Miller/Aldon Smith but is pretty darn good at everything else especially knowing who started opposite of him.

Justin Smith
Jared Allen
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Chris Long
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vang_evo9 wrote:
Clearly Watt! Obviously just a beast at whatever he is needed to do for his team and mates!!

ClayMaker is defintely second! Isn't as good as a passrusher as Miller/Aldon Smith but is pretty darn good at everything else especially knowing who started opposite of him.

Justin Smith
Jared Allen
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Chris Long


It is remarkable Clay had as many sacks as he did missing 4 games this year.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From a 49ers fan's perspective, I wouldn't trade Justin Smith for JJ Watt. They're different players, and the way that Smith plays is what keeps the 49ers' defense together as an elite unit. Watt makes more splash plays, and would be more valuable to pretty much any other team in the league, but for San Francisco there isn't a defensive player I'd trade single handedly for Smith (without taking age into consideration).

That said;

1. Watt
2. Smith
3. Long
4. Matthews
5. Allen

With the last three being pretty damn close to each other.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we're talking right now, then Watt without a doubt. I think that Allen in his prime (up until this year pretty much) was right on par with Watt right now. Different skill sets, Watt gets a lot of glory because of the swatting whereas Allen had just about the quietest season one could have for coming within one sack of the record. I also think Allen was just a little better against the run.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vikingsrule wrote:
Seems like a lot of people are down on Jared Allen, he did play most of the year on a torn labrum and still managed 10+ sacks. His run production was down compared to year's past so the shoulder could have had something to do with that. Here is what Ive got:


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zmspartan82 wrote:
If we're talking right now, then Watt without a doubt. I think that Allen in his prime (up until this year pretty much) was right on par with Watt right now. Different skill sets, Watt gets a lot of glory because of the swatting whereas Allen had just about the quietest season one could have for coming within one sack of the record. I also think Allen was just a little better against the run.


No way in HELL is Allen better against the run. Watt is the best run defender in the league by a good margin IMO.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watt
allen
smith
Matthews
Long
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are we talking about just for one year? Or going forward?

Watt is the answer regardless but I would probably take CMIII #2 over Justin Smith if we're talking about going forward. If we're talking about just 1 year, then Justin Smith is #2 for me...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UofMfan909 wrote:
From a 49ers fan's perspective, I wouldn't trade Justin Smith for JJ Watt. They're different players, and the way that Smith plays is what keeps the 49ers' defense together as an elite unit. Watt makes more splash plays, and would be more valuable to pretty much any other team in the league, but for San Francisco there isn't a defensive player I'd trade single handedly for Smith (without taking age into consideration).


I think that's a bit of a stretch. You putt JJ Watt on the 49ers, and it's nearly impossible to realistically believe in any kind of dropoff. Just because he might not fill the exact role Smith does, that doesn't mean they're worse off because of it. You can easily work around that with the talent San Francisco has.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm... now outside of being pass rushers, what do all five of these guys have in common?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jjab360 wrote:
Hmmm... now outside of being pass rushers, what do all five of these guys have in common?
Didnt even realize that. Not that it matters...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Watt
2. Smith
3. Allen (why is everyone dropping him so much..?)
4. Matthews (one of the most overrated pass rushers/ defenders in the game imo)
5. Chris Long
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NoFlyZone wrote:
1. Watt
2. Smith
3. Allen (why is everyone dropping him so much..?)
4. Matthews (one of the most overrated pass rushers/ defenders in the game imo)
5. Chris Long
Why is Matthews overrated? Are you just looking at sack numbers? Because he is consistently in the top in terms of pressures, even during his 6 sack season. And he is one of the best run defenders in the league. He had a bad game against Kaep in terms of contain but that is not the norm for him. He's always great to elite in coverage. Not seeing where he's overrated unless your strictly grade pass rushers on sacks.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.J. Watt and it's not even close. As the poll indicates.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DreDay80 wrote:
zmspartan82 wrote:
If we're talking right now, then Watt without a doubt. I think that Allen in his prime (up until this year pretty much) was right on par with Watt right now. Different skill sets, Watt gets a lot of glory because of the swatting whereas Allen had just about the quietest season one could have for coming within one sack of the record. I also think Allen was just a little better against the run.


No way in HELL is Allen better against the run. Watt is the best run defender in the league by a good margin IMO.
No he isn't. He is the best interior DL against the pass (both rushing and batting down passes) by a good margin. He is in the very murky discussion about quite a few great run defenders in the NFL on the DL. That said I agree he is better in that regard than Jared Allen. I think very highly of Allen as an overall DL, but against the run he is not amongst the very best in football.
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