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DaMike


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm watching this now. Lane Johnson is good but he's no where near the player Fisher is. I think Johnson is getting a bit overrated. His technique isn't always good and he really needs to get stronger.
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Mudderfudder77 wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Mudderfudder77 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:


I cannot tell if this is sarcasm or not.

I would like to have a good TE, if we fix the OL.

But it would not shock me one bit if TE was our pick based on need and value.

Resign

LB Nick Roach keeps our LB need in check.

Free Agency

OT Jermon Bushrod

Draft

1[20] TE Zach Ertz [Stanford]
2[50] OG Larry Warford [Kentucky]

That would fix our 3 biggest weaknesses on offence.


Not sarcasm at all. I'd argue the biggest weakness on this team is at TE - and it needs to be adressed early, either in FA or the draft.

I like Eifert and Ertz early, or I like McDonald a little bit later.

A Ertz/Warford draft would be a win IMO. If, for some reason a high value LB fell to 50 I wouldn't be opposed to picking him, but otherwise I am good with TE/OL the first two rounds.

Just so long as we don't reach for OL in round one.
Who was the last TE taken in the first who was worth it? There is little chance one will come in and be a major producer right away so I would think going the FA route would be the best way if you are counting on him next year. And there is a better chance the FA can actually play since he would have shown something at least.


Jermaine Gresham was the last TE taken in the first round 2010, and he was definitely worth it.


Gresham went #21 that year. In 2009 Pettigrew was the lone 1st round TE and went #20. In '08 it was Brent Celek at #30 w/ Olsen in that same spot the previous year.

Honestly, I would rather the Bears grab someone on FA rather than spend a 1st on a TE. That list is filled with good but not spectacular guys.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been a bit disappointed by Warford. He isn't playing as quick as I thought he was.
Short is so strong on the inside.
Sylvester Williams is always on the ground, struggles to shed blocks. Great athlete though.
Datone Jones is really athletic for his size. I really like his as a 3 tech.
Mellette and Harper have good hands at WR. Goodwin is stupid fast.
Michael Buchanan is horrible. Braxston Cave isn't very good either.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wiscbearsfan wrote:
Mudderfudder77 wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Mudderfudder77 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:


I cannot tell if this is sarcasm or not.

I would like to have a good TE, if we fix the OL.

But it would not shock me one bit if TE was our pick based on need and value.

Resign

LB Nick Roach keeps our LB need in check.

Free Agency

OT Jermon Bushrod

Draft

1[20] TE Zach Ertz [Stanford]
2[50] OG Larry Warford [Kentucky]

That would fix our 3 biggest weaknesses on offence.


Not sarcasm at all. I'd argue the biggest weakness on this team is at TE - and it needs to be adressed early, either in FA or the draft.

I like Eifert and Ertz early, or I like McDonald a little bit later.

A Ertz/Warford draft would be a win IMO. If, for some reason a high value LB fell to 50 I wouldn't be opposed to picking him, but otherwise I am good with TE/OL the first two rounds.

Just so long as we don't reach for OL in round one.
Who was the last TE taken in the first who was worth it? There is little chance one will come in and be a major producer right away so I would think going the FA route would be the best way if you are counting on him next year. And there is a better chance the FA can actually play since he would have shown something at least.


Jermaine Gresham was the last TE taken in the first round 2010, and he was definitely worth it.


Gresham went #21 that year. In 2009 Pettigrew was the lone 1st round TE and went #20. In '08 it was Brent Celek at #30 w/ Olsen in that same spot the previous year.

Honestly, I would rather the Bears grab someone on FA rather than spend a 1st on a TE. That list is filled with good but not spectacular guys.

I'm with you Wisc. The market for solid TE is a big one.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The math for me this offseason is,

There is a very strong free agent OT class.

There is a very strong draft class at OG.

We have needs at each and I think how we address them is pretty obvious.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
The math for me this offseason is,

There is a very strong free agent OT class.

There is a very strong draft class at OG.

We have needs at each and I think how we address them is pretty obvious.


TE looks to be deep on FA also. If they can manage to fill both OT and TE needs in FA (which is realistic) they will have major flexibility on draft day. Whether its another OT, an elite talent OG or simply a can't miss guy at a position that isn't necessarily a need they can still pull the trigger.

This offseason is going to be made in free agency.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
Watching the 2nd half.

Larry Warford was really solid and moved well.

Justin Pugh was really bad.

Zavier Goodens speed in really impressive and could be a Bears target.
Pugh certainly was not impressive. I liked the kid from La. Tech, though.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wiscbearsfan wrote:
Mudderfudder77 wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Mudderfudder77 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:


I cannot tell if this is sarcasm or not.

I would like to have a good TE, if we fix the OL.

But it would not shock me one bit if TE was our pick based on need and value.

Resign

LB Nick Roach keeps our LB need in check.

Free Agency

OT Jermon Bushrod

Draft

1[20] TE Zach Ertz [Stanford]
2[50] OG Larry Warford [Kentucky]

That would fix our 3 biggest weaknesses on offence.


Not sarcasm at all. I'd argue the biggest weakness on this team is at TE - and it needs to be adressed early, either in FA or the draft.

I like Eifert and Ertz early, or I like McDonald a little bit later.

A Ertz/Warford draft would be a win IMO. If, for some reason a high value LB fell to 50 I wouldn't be opposed to picking him, but otherwise I am good with TE/OL the first two rounds.

Just so long as we don't reach for OL in round one.
Who was the last TE taken in the first who was worth it? There is little chance one will come in and be a major producer right away so I would think going the FA route would be the best way if you are counting on him next year. And there is a better chance the FA can actually play since he would have shown something at least.


Jermaine Gresham was the last TE taken in the first round 2010, and he was definitely worth it.


Gresham went #21 that year. In 2009 Pettigrew was the lone 1st round TE and went #20. In '08 it was Brent Celek at #30 w/ Olsen in that same spot the previous year.

Honestly, I would rather the Bears grab someone on FA rather than spend a 1st on a TE. That list is filled with good but not spectacular guys.
Thanks for the info.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
The math for me this offseason is,

There is a very strong free agent OT class.

There is a very strong draft class at OG.

We have needs at each and I think how we address them is pretty obvious.

Sounds like Jerry Angelo logic for OT. With Clady going through shoulder surgery and Long having a bit of an injury history, is the FA OT market really that strong?
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IronMike84 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
The math for me this offseason is,

There is a very strong free agent OT class.

There is a very strong draft class at OG.

We have needs at each and I think how we address them is pretty obvious.

Sounds like Jerry Angelo logic for OT. With Clady going through shoulder surgery and Long having a bit of an injury history, is the FA OT market really that strong?


Jermon Bushrod
Branden Albert
Will Beatty
Sebastian Vollmer
Andre Smith
Phil Loadholt
Gosder Cherilus

All quality starting OTs.
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WindyCity wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
The math for me this offseason is,

There is a very strong free agent OT class.

There is a very strong draft class at OG.

We have needs at each and I think how we address them is pretty obvious.

Sounds like Jerry Angelo logic for OT. With Clady going through shoulder surgery and Long having a bit of an injury history, is the FA OT market really that strong?


Jermon Bushrod
Branden Albert
Will Beatty
Sebastian Vollmer
Andre Smith
Phil Loadholt
Gosder Cherilus

All quality starting OTs.

Biggest problem with free agency is nobody ever factors in taggings and re-signings. How many of those guys will actually hit the market? 2? 3?
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IronMike84 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
The math for me this offseason is,

There is a very strong free agent OT class.

There is a very strong draft class at OG.

We have needs at each and I think how we address them is pretty obvious.

Sounds like Jerry Angelo logic for OT. With Clady going through shoulder surgery and Long having a bit of an injury history, is the FA OT market really that strong?


Jermon Bushrod
Branden Albert
Will Beatty
Sebastian Vollmer
Andre Smith
Phil Loadholt
Gosder Cherilus

All quality starting OTs.

Biggest problem with free agency is nobody ever factors in taggings and re-signings. How many of those guys will actually hit the market? 2? 3?


If I had to guess Smith gets tagged and Loadholt gets resigned.
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WindyCity wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
The math for me this offseason is,

There is a very strong free agent OT class.

There is a very strong draft class at OG.

We have needs at each and I think how we address them is pretty obvious.

Sounds like Jerry Angelo logic for OT. With Clady going through shoulder surgery and Long having a bit of an injury history, is the FA OT market really that strong?


Jermon Bushrod
Branden Albert
Will Beatty
Sebastian Vollmer
Andre Smith
Phil Loadholt
Gosder Cherilus

All quality starting OTs.

Biggest problem with free agency is nobody ever factors in taggings and re-signings. How many of those guys will actually hit the market? 2? 3?

If I had to guess Smith gets tagged and Loadholt gets resigned.

That still leaves 7 out of 9 guys hitting the market if you add Long and Clady. Maybe you'll be right, but I'll be stunned if it happens.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
The math for me this offseason is,

There is a very strong free agent OT class.

There is a very strong draft class at OG.

We have needs at each and I think how we address them is pretty obvious.

Sounds like Jerry Angelo logic for OT. With Clady going through shoulder surgery and Long having a bit of an injury history, is the FA OT market really that strong?


Jermon Bushrod
Branden Albert
Will Beatty
Sebastian Vollmer
Andre Smith
Phil Loadholt
Gosder Cherilus

All quality starting OTs.

NO won't be able to afford Bushrod but outside of him the only one of these guys I see making it to UFA is maybe Cherilus, and that's only if DET is planning to select Joeckel or Fisher and move Reiff to RT. Beyond that, there is no good reason to think they won't all get resigned.
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AZBearsFan wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
The math for me this offseason is,

There is a very strong free agent OT class.

There is a very strong draft class at OG.

We have needs at each and I think how we address them is pretty obvious.

Sounds like Jerry Angelo logic for OT. With Clady going through shoulder surgery and Long having a bit of an injury history, is the FA OT market really that strong?


Jermon Bushrod
Branden Albert
Will Beatty
Sebastian Vollmer
Andre Smith
Phil Loadholt
Gosder Cherilus

All quality starting OTs.

NO won't be able to afford Bushrod but outside of him the only one of these guys I see making it to UFA is maybe Cherilus, and that's only if DET is planning to select Joeckel or Fisher and move Reiff to RT. Beyond that, there is no good reason to think they won't all get resigned.
Cherilous is expendable right now, and not very good to begin with. Albert is the ? Other than Long he's the most likely high priced target to hit the market this year.

NO is well over the cap and are more than likely waving goodbye to Bushrod, unless he signs a supercheap deal.
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