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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:45 pm    Post subject: Re: New 1st-rounder w/explanations. Reply with quote

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#01. KANSAS CITY: Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia.
WHY: Because they basically have NO choice. Smith isn't a lock for success, but he has the best overall skill-set in THIS particular class. They could draft Joekel if they decide to let Albert walk, but why create another hole at a key position? Pay Albert, draft Smith, take the best 3-4 DE at the top of the 2nd.

#02. JACKSONVILLE: Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia.
WHY: Because, if he checks out healthy, he's absolutely worth this high of a pick, and the Jags need pass-rushers more than almost anything. He'd be their Von Miller. I'm not sold on Bjoern Werner, I didn't like how easily Lane Johnson handled Damontre Moore in their bowl game, so Jones it is, for now.

#03. OAKLAND: Star Lotuleilei, DT, Utah.
WHY: Because their need at defensive tackle is so great. Seymour is on his last legs, and Kelly is a disgrace to the game. If there's anyone who doubts the reasoning of this selection, look no further than Doug Martin in the Tampa Bay game. Strong chance of trading down from this pick, too.

#04. PHILADELPHIA: Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M.
WHY: Because it would better their entire offensive line. We don't know WHAT kind of Jason Peters we'll have coming back from major leg surgery, but you could put him at right tackle, Herremans at guard, and Joekel at left tackle, and it'd be a likely upgrade across the board. Maybe Eric Fisher?

#05. DETROIT: Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan.
WHY: Because he JUST might be the best player in this draft, and having some long-term stability at left tackle could only help Stafford. I see no safety, CB, or any of the DE's to be as much of a talent as Fisher. Backus is old, and Riley Reiff looks like a RT to me. Draft defense in rounds 2-4.

#06. CLEVELAND: Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama.
WHY: Because, in addition to being the likely top overall talent still available, there IS NO other player that would more help implement exactly what they want to do on offense. Lined up between Mack and Schwartz, leading the way for former teammate Trent Richardson? Power football at it's absolute FINEST.

#07. ARIZONA: Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma.
WHY: Because their need at left tackle is so profound. Rest assured, though; this guy can play. Handled Moore pretty easily in Oklahoma's bowl game against Texas A&M, and has shown in the Senior Bowl practices that he can perform against anybody in the country. Tons of potential; sky's the limit.

#08. BUFFALO: Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State.
WHY: Because this is where the value's at. Plus, aside from Mario Williams, look at what we have at DE! Kelsay should have been cut 2-3 years ago. Anderson is inconsistent and injury-prone. Merriman is, well, himself. I'm cool with them trading up into the late 1st for a QB, but there's none worth THIS pick.

#09. N.Y. JETS: Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M.
WHY: See above; as with the Bills, this is probably the best bang for the buck at a need position. Talk about a MESS, though! This team needs help basically everywhere. Not out of the question for them to reach on a Glennon or Wilson here, but there'd be no immediate help. A pass-rusher like Moore will.

#10. TENNESSEE: Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri.
WHY: Talent, value, need, in that order. Indeed, after the combine, it's not out of the question that Richardson could be viewed as a top-THREE talent. He will definitely bring a pass-rushing boost and nasty demeanor to the Titan's interior D-line, and could easily be one of the best players in this draft.

#11. SAN DIEGO: D. J. Fluker, OT, Alabama.
WHY: Because he's probably the best remaining offensive lineman, and the Chargers need help ALL over their line. Now, true; he may never be a starting LEFT tackle in the league, but at the very least he should be an outstanding RIGHT tackle, or even an absolute monster of an offensive guard.

#12. MIAMI: Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee.
WHY: Because their fine, young, potential franchise-type QB could use a true, #1 target. I truly do see him as being almost the prototype of WR's these days; great size, speed, and athletic ability. I have my worries about his maturity level and such, but the talent is undeniable, any way you slice it.

#13. TAMPA BAY: Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama.
WHY: Because it'd be maybe the biggest no-brainer pick of the entire DRAFT, if he's still on the board. Milliner could go from anywhere to Oakland at #3, Philly at #4, Detroit at #5, and almost anywhere down to this pick. Thing is, though, in a fairly deep CB class, some teams will wait a round or two.

#14. CAROLINA: Jonathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State.
WHY: The Panthers need a big, run-stuffing DT, period, and Hankins could very well be the best one left on the board, in this scenario. TOUGH team to mock a pick for. SO many ways they could go. DT, WR, S, CB, etc. Heck; it could even be Jenkins, Floyd, or Jesse Williams over Hankins at the same position!

#15. NEW ORLEANS: John Jenkins, DT, Georgia.
WHY: Because of their impending switch to a 3-4 scheme, where it all starts with a huge nose tackle. A pass-rusher like Jordan or Mingo might prove tempting, but you have to lay the framework, first. Jenkins is a battle-tested veteran of the S.E.C. wars, and will help plug up the middle immediately.

#16. ST. LOUIS: Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina.
WHY: Simply put, the Rams need a guard, and Cooper's the best one still to be had. Solid pick; should be an immediate starter. With their two-first-rounders this year and next via the Redskins trade, St. Louis has a chance to set themselves up for great things in the near future, and for years beyond.

#17. PITTSBURGH: Dion Jordan, DE/OLB, Oregon.
WHY: He would appear to be the top overall talent remaining at a need position for the Steelers. Except for his labrum injury, I could see Jordan being a possible top-10 pick, and it STILL may happen. Mingo could be considered here, as well as Vaccaro, Jesse Williams, or a cornerback, as well.

#18. DALLAS: Larry Warford, OG, Kentucky.
WHY: Because Dallas simply needs interior offensive line help, in a big way. Some may wonder why not Barrett Jones here, but I'd beg to differ. Warford has shown in the Senior Bowl practices that he can both open holes in the running game, and anchor against plus-sized defensive tackles.

#19. N.Y. GIANTS: Sam Montgomery, DE, L.S.U.
WHY: Because they're the Giants; they draft defensive ends. To be serious, though, this is a pretty good pick at this juncture. With Umenyiora probably gone, and Tuck not what he once was, Montgomery looks like an excellent addition to their rotation. He can both play the run, and rush the passer.

#20. CHICAGO: Kevin Minter, ILB, L.S.U.
WHY: Because it's been a great, long run, but it's now time to think about replacing Mr. Urlacher. Ogletree strikes me as more of a potential OLB in a 4-3, and Te'o, well... -let's just say his draft stock has slipped a bit. Minter has the S.E.C. pedigree, and should be a productive starter very early on.

#21. CINCINNATI: Alec Ogletree, LB, Georgia.
WHY: Because they could use upgrades across the board at the linebacker position. Ogletree is a fast, productive 'backer that truly defines the good old "sideline-to-sideline" cliche. I wouldn't rule out Vaccaro, perhaps a DE, or maybe even Te'o at this juncture, but Ogletree makes a ton of sense.

#22. ST. LOUIS: Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas.
WHY: Probably the best player at his position in the draft, at an area of need for the Rams. They appear to have struck gold in their secondary with last year's pick of Janoris Jenkins, so now they add to the lot with the selection of Vaccaro. This team will be really, really good in a couple of years.

#23. MINNESOTA: Keenan Allen, WR, California.
WHY: Because they need a true, full-sized, #1 WR option. This would certainly be an ideal pick for the Vikings, it would appear on paper. It makes you wonder how much more effective A.D. could be if defenses actually had to respect the PASSING GAME for Minnesota?!? Scary thought to consider.

#24. INDIANAPOLIS: Jonthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State.
WHY: Probably the best player still on the board at a position of need in this scenario. REALLY tough pick to predict, honestly. Other options are Barrett Jones, Jesse Williams, Eric Reid, Dallas Thomas, and more. In the end, without a 2nd-rounder, I think they'll trade down with a team that wants a QB.

#25. SEATTLE: Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee.
WHY: Because, as with the Miami Dolphins, one must make sure that your young, franchise-type QB has adequate weaponry. Could be one of a number of WR's here; Allen, Hopkins, Patterson, or even Terrance Williams figure into the mix. Depends on who they like out of who's available, seems.

#26. GREEN BAY: Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama.
WHY: Because it's about time that they had a bell-cow running back. Barrett Jones is another option at this point, or perhaps Travis Frederick, should he be seen as the #1 center available. This is another of those late first-rounders that I could see as trade-bait for a team seeking to move up for a QB.

#27. HOUSTON: DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson.
WHY: Because a legitimate #2 WR like Hopkins would make Andre Johnson, and the entire Houston offense, that much more effective. Robert Woods or Terrance Williams figure into this mix, as well, and you could maybe even see a surprise Te'o selection here, if he's still on the board.

#28. DENVER: Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington.
WHY: Because, post Senior Bowl practices, he's the 3rd-best cornerback on mine, and most boards, until someone steps up and shows otherwise. I could see Rhodes, Amerson, or Poyer staking a claim to the contrary, but they'll have to do it, first, and Trufant has excellent bloodlines, besides.

#29. NEW ENGLAND: Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia.
WHY: Because I don't see Wes Welker as having a future with this team. Tavon Austin would bring a dynamic speed element to the Patriots that they haven't had since I don't even KNOW when. He'll stretch the field, and if you miss a tackle on a slant route, he might burn you for an 80-yarder.

#30. ATLANTA: Ezekiel Ansah, DE, B.Y.U.
WHY: Because, even though he's raw as heck, he's a project that's MOST likely worth the wait. Based on reports from the Senior Bowl practices, though, I question his heart and motor more than just a little bit. He's going to take a lot of coaching, but how can you coach desire into someone?

#31. SAN FRANCISCO: Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama.
WHY: Because he'd simply be another, excellent, hard-@ssed addition to the front seven of the 49'ers. Could play nose tackle or 3-4 end, but I see him as a better fit at the nose. They could go go WR or DB here, too, but I think that Williams fits the scheme of San Francisco pretty much perfectly.

#32. BALTIMORE: Manti Te'o, ILB, Notre Dame.
WHY: Because there'll be an opening at the position after this season for the Ravens. It'll sure be interesting to see how this whole, weird, warped, silly, dead girlfriend scenario plays itself out.... I guess. As a prospect, Te'o appears to have most of the tools to be a decent inside-linebacker.


Dude, your explanations are really good. I wanted to hate you for giving us a gaurd at 6, but I ended up loving you... I can't eve be mad at this selection

Thanks, man.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad Giants pick. Overrated with limited upside. The only way I see us taking a DE in the first is if Ansah falls or maybe a little bit of a reach with Okafor, but since the giants draft BPA I don't think we will. Plus, Kiwanuka will be returning to his natural position of DE to replace Osi, so although DE is a possibility, I'd rather have a DT or another CB with our secondary injuries. And now that I look again, you have Ansah falling to 30. No way we take Montgomery.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's really no reason to reach at #11 for a guy who might not even be able to play RT...
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The Steelers need a pass rusher not a coverage OLB. The Steelers have a shortage at the playmaking OLB position. Ever since J. Harrison age and injury have become a issue.

If anything I'd rather the Steelers select Ezekial Ansah just for the simple fact of his position flexibility in a sub package defensive fronts. Even though he's raw I see it more in terms of football knowledge and not ability to on the field. For a player with very limited experience his general understanding of what's going on around him is amazing.

But I'm one of the few Steelers fans that believe Jason Worilds is more then capable of manning that ROLB position. He was selecting 3 yrs ago in the second round and had to sit behind then 2 All world OLBs. But in the 10 game sample size of games started he has 10 sacks. So the potential is there he just needs the playing time to show his ability.

With all this said I believe the Steelers will play it safe and take Manti Te'o as he would fill one of the major needs on defense. While Manti maybe pretty much tapped out as far as potential his understanding and knowledge of the game with make him a very good player. Plus L. Timmons needs that thumper next to him to continue to expand his game as one of the best blitzing ILB in the game.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JammerHammer21 wrote:
There's really no reason to reach at #11 for a guy who might not even be able to play RT...

Gee. How could Fluker "not" be able to play right tackle? Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being a Falcons fan I would love Ensah to fall to us at #30 but I think he goes a little earlier and If that happens give us a DT Jesse Williams or DE Alex Okafor or I hate to say it TE Tyler Eifert, BTW great job on the explanations!!
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RIZE FALCONS wrote:
Being a Falcons fan I would love Ensah to fall to us at #30 but I think he goes a little earlier and If that happens give us a DT Jesse Williams or DE Alex Okafor or I hate to say it TE Tyler Eifert, BTW great job on the explanations!!

Thanks for the positive feedback, dude. Cool
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For the Saints:

If Louis Nix III was that guy you were giving the Saints with the #15 overall pick, I wouldn't mind. But Jenkins just IS NOT WORTH a mid 1st round pick. Bunkley, who the Saints currently have, will be a better 3-4 NT than Jenkins. His motor is off and on...and he just isn't that good at anchoring the line. Bunkley may have less girth but he has a lower COG and is as strong as an ox.

The pick is Dion Jordan. No ifs ands or buts about it.
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First round pick is solid, second round pick is okay, CB isn't that high a need, tempted with an OG th ere for the Vikings, but CB isn't bad.
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The Gnat wrote:
First round pick is solid, second round pick is okay, CB isn't that high a need, tempted with an OG th ere for the Vikings, but CB isn't bad.

Appreciate the feedback.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

amazing first round, you hit the nail on the head.

Second round needs to be xavier rhodes.

If we come away with jones and rhodes, our defense instantly gets much better
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FREDDY T wrote:
amazing first round, you hit the nail on the head.

Second round needs to be xavier rhodes.

If we come away with jones and rhodes, our defense instantly gets much better

But your QB situation still tosses wombat salad? Very Happy
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JammerHammer21 wrote:
There's really no reason to reach at #11 for a guy who might not even be able to play RT...

Especially in a zone-blocking scheme... Fluker's lateral agility isn't great and he lumbers with his feet. That's darn near a liability in a zone scheme.

All the same, it's still a reach (foregoing value to fill a need) which is something our GM has said he WILL NOT DO. Simply put, team's don't spend near-Top-10 picks on RT's unless their QB is left-handed (which Rivers isn't).
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The LBC wrote:
JammerHammer21 wrote:
There's really no reason to reach at #11 for a guy who might not even be able to play RT...

Especially in a zone-blocking scheme... Fluker's lateral agility isn't great and he lumbers with his feet. That's darn near a liability in a zone scheme.

All the same, it's still a reach (foregoing value to fill a need) which is something our GM has said he WILL NOT DO. Simply put, team's don't spend near-Top-10 picks on RT's unless their QB is left-handed (which Rivers isn't).

So tell me the ideal pick, and I'll change it.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:30 pm    Post subject: Re: New 1st-rounder, explanations & 2nd round! Reply with quote

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#17. PITTSBURGH: Dion Jordan, DE/OLB, Oregon.
WHY: He would appear to be the top overall talent remaining at a need position for the Steelers. Except for his labrum injury, I could see Jordan being a possible top-10 pick, and it STILL may happen. Mingo could be considered here, as well as Vaccaro, Jesse Williams, or a cornerback, as well.
SECOND ROUND: (#48.) Matt Elam, S, Florida.


Ok, I am seeing everybody and their mother mock Dion Jordan to us. In no way, shape or form, does Dion Jordan fit ANYWHERE near our defense on the outside. Run stopping ability is paramount. James Harrison, Joey Porter, Greg Lloyd, all run stoppers. Jordan is about half a foot too tall and 20 lbs too light.

I'm not even sure we'd take him with our 2nd rounder

As for Matt Elam, I'm kinda meh on him. He's decent, but Alex Okafor, Terrance Williams, Robert Woods, Philp Thomas, etc. all would be better picks.
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