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diehardlionfan
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| detroitroar wrote: | | diehardlionfan wrote: | Jeez guys its one mans opinion and like he said in the interview different people look for different things. He said probably 6 out of 10 would take CJ and 4 out of 10 would take JJ.
It's probably more like 5/10 CJ 3/10 AJ Green and 2/10 JJ. And poor AJ isn't even in this conversation and should be.
To determine who is actually the best they would have to play with the same players and that's not going to happen.
I will say if we were to look at the two players and take age and contract into consideration I would take JJ every time. The difference in salary would allow the Lions to add some help which is needed. |
I still wouldnt do that. CJ has shown he can dominate with all the attention and no run game. Not sure Julio would dominate given the same circumstance even down the road. Plus, if Julio would play to the level were comparing him to, he would just command that much more money soon. Be it in a hold out or simply when his rookie deal is up. |
You're probably right about money down the road. Julio has put up more yards and TD's his first two seasons than CJ did and Ryan has to distribute the ball more. CJ has always been the focal point in Detroit.
I'm trying to be objective and not let the homer in me take control.
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Louis Delmas26
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| Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:05 am Post subject: |
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Top WRs in the NFL...
1.) Calvin Johnson
2.) AJ Green
3.) Julio Jones
4.) Dez Bryant
5.) Larry Fitzgerald
6.) Andre Johnson
7.) Brandon Marshall
8.) Vincent Jackson
9.) Roddy White
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d_stanton2lions
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| Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Chris Carter knocks Calvin, he breaks records
Get's flack for a Madden Curse, breaks records
Now this?
2,000 yards and 20 TD's next year.
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Nnivolcm
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| Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| d_stanton2lions wrote: | Chris Carter knocks Calvin, he breaks records
Get's flack for a Madden Curse, breaks records
Now this?
2,000 yards and 20 TD's next year. |
What record did he break last year?
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Maverick12
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| Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Nnivolcm wrote: | | d_stanton2lions wrote: | Chris Carter knocks Calvin, he breaks records
Get's flack for a Madden Curse, breaks records
Now this?
2,000 yards and 20 TD's next year. |
What record did he break last year? |
Well, he did break the franchise record for receiving TDs. He also was the first player in NFL history to have 2 TDs in the first 4 games of a season I believe.
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YlionsY
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I think this is about media attention.
I like Julio Jones but I would take AJ over him. I put Green right behind Calvin.
If you were starting a team and you had to pick Jones or Calvin I think I would take Calvin every time. Still relatively young and producing at a high level.
If I made them switch places Calvin with ATL alongside Gonzalez and White... 
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NextBigThing
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LOL no.
Green is better than Calvin at the moment, but they're different receivers.
Julio is quicker, but...he plays he exact same style as Calvin, but Calvin has pretty much skill on him outside raw quickness. Julio does things well, but CJ does them better. Height speed ups hands, its the combo of skills.
I think Green brings more to the table than both, though. Green is WAY better than either of them in the red zone. If it's a 9 fade, Julio and calvin are practically useless. Green's agility and short-area quickness is light years ahead of either of them.
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Nnivolcm
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| NextBigThing wrote: | LOL no.
Green is better than Calvin at the moment, but they're different receivers.
Julio is quicker, but...he plays he exact same style as Calvin, but Calvin has pretty much skill on him outside raw quickness. Julio does things well, but CJ does them better. Height speed ups hands, its the combo of skills.
I think Green brings more to the table than both, though. Green is WAY better than either of them in the red zone. If it's a 9 fade, Julio and calvin are practically useless. Green's agility and short-area quickness is light years ahead of either of them. |
What's up NBT? Mods kick you out of the general forums so you have to pimp Moss and Green elsewhere?
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bzane
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Maybe in a couple of years we'll be reading someone's opinion that Titus Young is better than Julio Jones and Megatron.
Wouldn't necessarily mean that they're right, but probably start some lively discussions! |
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YlionsY
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| Nnivolcm wrote: | | NextBigThing wrote: | LOL no.
Green is better than Calvin at the moment, but they're different receivers.
Julio is quicker, but...he plays he exact same style as Calvin, but Calvin has pretty much skill on him outside raw quickness. Julio does things well, but CJ does them better. Height speed ups hands, its the combo of skills.
I think Green brings more to the table than both, though. Green is WAY better than either of them in the red zone. If it's a 9 fade, Julio and calvin are practically useless. Green's agility and short-area quickness is light years ahead of either of them. |
What's up NBT? Mods kick you out of the general forums so you have to pimp Moss and Green elsewhere? |
That was my first thought.
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LION KING
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I rather have Calvin over all the Wide outs I don't think its even a question.
So to me its a pretty easy question who the best wide out is today.
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JDKing14
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| NextBigThing wrote: | LOL no.
Green is better than Calvin at the moment, but they're different receivers.
Julio is quicker, but...he plays he exact same style as Calvin, but Calvin has pretty much skill on him outside raw quickness. Julio does things well, but CJ does them better. Height speed ups hands, its the combo of skills.
I think Green brings more to the table than both, though. Green is WAY better than either of them in the red zone. If it's a 9 fade, Julio and calvin are practically useless. Green's agility and short-area quickness is light years ahead of either of them. |
Green also doesn't get doubled covered every single time his team is in the red zone like Calvin does. Everything you've just said is false except for Calvin being better that Julio.
Didn't you say that Julio was better on the comparisons thread? Pretty sure you did. |
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X_Factor_40
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I like Dez Bryant over Julio.
How would you guys rank your top 5-10 WR's?
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Maverick12
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| X_Factor_40 wrote: | I like Dez Bryant over Julio.
How would you guys rank your top 5-10 WR's? |
Top 5:
1- Calvin Johnson
2- AJ Green
3- Larry Fitzgerald
4- Andre Johnson
5- Julio Jones
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YlionsY
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| X_Factor_40 wrote: | I like Dez Bryant over Julio.
How would you guys rank your top 5-10 WR's? |
Megatron
AJ Green
Fitzgerald
Jones
Bryant
Marshall
Andre Johnson
White
Steve Smith
Cruz
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