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JammerHammer21
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| Macc_Aviv wrote: | | Vanilla_Ice wrote: | | Superman(DH23) wrote: | | Vanilla_Ice wrote: | | 1BackInBlackFan wrote: | | I don't know about dominating but college basketball players like Antonio Gates and Jimmy Graham could probably at least hold their own in the NBA. |
Neither would have sniffed an NBA floor. If so, they would have went that route. Way more money and way easier on your body. |
Antonio Gates couldn't play in the NBA, which is why a guy who didn't play football in college, became a TE in the NFL. |
Not sure if you're serious or just being a smart ***.
Gates wouldn't have been close to an NBA court. 6'5 power forwards don't make it in the NBA. There are only 12 roster spots on 30 teams in the NBA, and people from all over the world play the game. The contracts are guaranteed and there's very little turnover in the NBA. It's completely different than the NFL. There are 53 roster spots on 32 teams and contracts aren't guaranteed. We're the only country who gives a flying **** about american football, and you don't have to compete with players from Spain, South America, or Asia.
The reason he made it to the NFL was that he had the perfect size, the coordination, and the athletic ability to play football. He played in high school and the jump to the NFL was an easy one. He wasn't tall enough to be a power forward, and he wasn't skilled enough to play the 2 or 3. If he was, he surely would have ended up somewhere other than Kent Freaking State. |
Poor logic all-around. There are 15 roster spots per NBA team btw (13 active, which is the minimum required number of players a team has to have), and plenty of turnover, even in-season.
Gates was a couple years before I started evaluating basketball talent for a living, but he was a damn good college player from the video I went back and watched. He had some wing skills for sure, but wasn't proven as a shooter despite signs of improvement in the area. Still, a guy with his athleticism and the IQ to average 4 assists per game playing the 4 spot in college would have been given every chance to latch on as an un-drafted free agent had he stuck with basketball. His physical tools and IQ alone would make him a prime target to be a defensive stopper.
Do you think this years rookie of the year (so far) Damien Lillard can't be a good player because he played college basketball at Weber State, a far worse program historically than Kent St? Or that a colllege PF from New Mexico like Danny Granger sucks? |
And the only reason Gates went to KSU is because Saban refused to allow him to play football and basketball at MSU under Izzo. So yeah. 
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| JDLefebvre wrote: | | justo wrote: | | Tony G was the only guy that really had a shot at the NBA, right? |
How would you figure?
I am sure a lot of NFL players had the opportunity to play college basketball but chose football |
He had an offer to try out? with the Heat during his days in Kansas City. |
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| hornbybrown wrote: | | SnA ExclusiVe wrote: | Haloti Ngata dominated in Rugby before becoming an NFL star. So to answer your question - yes, but not very many.
There'd be plenty of guys who could be "average" at another sport - like QB's trying to be pitchers, but that's about it. You'd be very hardpressed to find an NFL player who could change sports and dominate, unless it was similar to football. |
He did no such thing. For him to dominate in rugby would require him to play at the top level of rugby first.
He dominated at level a long way below the top level.
Not saying he couldn't be very good at the top level. Just saying he never did it.
Also for any NFL player to do well in rugby there cardio would have to improve by a long way. Rugby 80 mins of game time that takes around 90 mins. NFL 60 mins game time that takes around 210 mins. |
It's even more lopsided than that....because of the stop/start nature of football, there's only 11 minutes (approximately) of whistle to whistle action. That's why the NFL can support players that are so huge despite it being a "60 minute" sport.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704281204575002852055561406.html |
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| Lions017 wrote: | | Nabbs4u wrote: | | Vast majority of possible NFL players having success in another sport would probably be as Pitchers in MLB. You might have a handful of players with size able to play in the NBA but not to the effect of possible pitchers. As I stated before I doubt any NFL player could be the next Verlander but the next Jeff Samarjia or better , without a doubt. There are / were way two many two sport players in college mostly pitchers/QB to not have a star emerge at some point. |
I wouldn't go that far. Jeff Samardzija has turned himself into a very good pitcher, and it's tough to make it in MLB. There are a lot more guys that sit around in the minor leagues for years and years and never make it than there are guys who turn into a middle-of-the-rotation pitcher. |
I understand what your getting at but there were also better pitching prospect then Samardzija that chose to play Football instead.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| justo wrote: | | 1BackInBlackFan wrote: | | justo wrote: | | Tony G was the only guy that really had a shot at the NBA, right? |
He would probably have had a real nice career in the NBA.
Colin Kaepernick, Russell Wilson, Michael Vick, Jake Locker and Tom Brady were all drafted by major league baseball teams at one time. |
So was Pat White. I think Toledo's QB got drafted last year even though he hadn't played baseball since freshman year or something. Were these guys good? I know Locker and Wilson were legit. Imagine if Brady would have gone to baseball and Henson was the one that stuck with football in the beginning  |
Wilson would never have sniffed the Majors. He wasn't really a very good SS in the minors.
Hard to say with the pitchers. |
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justo
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| Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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I feel like there are more guys that could have gone to the league, but chose a different sport, than guys in the league that turned down another sport. Idk. Could just be me though.
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It's very hard to be a prominent athlete in two of the four major leagues because of season and the variation.
The NBA and NHL intersect with the NFL, moreso than MLB.
NHL in reality is out of the question for NFL players because of two main reasons:
1. NHL pays significantly less on average.
2. Requires two different skillsets not needed in NFL.
Frankly I think an NBA-NFL athlete is most likely because the NBA out of the four major leagues is the most physical driven sport. If you are 6"6+ with good speed and decent ball handling, you can make a roster, if even for a poor team.
But it depends on how invested an athlete would want to be in NFL.
Frankly, if you're taking a beating in the NFL, I'm not so sure you'd want to play NBA after the season was over.
But there are quite a few situations in the NFL that wouldn't put too much stress on the body.
If you were the 5th WR on the depth chart, and pegged as an outside guy. You could do that and then man a SG spot on the bench for the Bobcats, or something to that effect.
I seem to recall reading a few articles about multi-sport athletes but at a lower level. Like about one guy who played NBA D-League, minor baseball and ran marathons, etc.
You could certainly play in fringe sports leagues outside of the NFL season all you wanted. [inappropriate/removed], why couldn't an NFL player take on one or two MMA matches in the off-season?
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Some of the best NFL players could have dominated in boxing, had they chosen that sport IMO.
There are no more good american heavyweights boxers probably because they preferred to play in the NFL, in the NBA or in the MLB. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Antonio Gates, Tony G and Peppers all couldn't have played in the NBA even if they wanted to. Too undersized for their playing style's.
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| MA4akhcSus wrote: | Some of the best NFL players could have dominated in boxing, had they chosen that sport IMO.
There are no more good american heavyweights boxers probably because they preferred to play in the NFL, in the NBA or in the MLB. |
Sorry but that is probably the most ridiculous statement yet to be made in this thread especially as you don't even use any reasons why this would be so to back it up. |
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lionslicer
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| RandyMossIsBoss wrote: | | Antonio Gates, Tony G and Peppers all couldn't have played in the NBA even if they wanted to. Too undersized for their playing style's. |
Gates could have been a bench player in the NBA, but scouts told him he'd likely never be a starter because he's too small to be a power forward, but too big to be a small forward.
Tony G would likely have the same problem.
Peppers on the other hand, he might have been able to be a power forward if he shed some pounds. But even then, don't think he'd dominate.
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| MA4akhcSus wrote: | | Some of the best NFL players could have dominated in boxing, had they chosen that sport IMO. |
No, although that's a popular misconception. Becoming a world rated boxer is significantly harder than making the NFL and it'd be a rare accomplishment if any current NFL player could even make it past journeyman status. |
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| lionslicer wrote: |
Gates could have been a bench player in the NBA, but scouts told him he'd likely never be a starter because he's too small to be a power forward, but too big to be a small forward. |
There's no such thing as "too big to be a small forward." Kevin Durant is one of the best SFs in the league and he's 6'11" (or maybe even taller at this point). Lebron James is the best SF in the league (as well as the best player) and he's 6'8" and 260 pounds. Gates is 6'4". He might be too slow, too unskilled, or even too small, but he's not too big to play Small Forward. |
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