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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:40 pm    Post subject: Rank the AL Starting Pichers for 2013(Complete) Reply with quote

Im going to leave the NL one open, but I want to have all starters done by the end of the week, so we are going to get started on the AL.

Rank your top 25 pitchers in the AL

Once that is done, we will do one complete list that combines both the AL and the NL top 25.

Dont forget rookies, and any pitcher that might be changing roles.

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Here are the top 5 from the catchers:
1.Buster Posey(Giants)
2.Yadier Molina(Cardinals)
3.Matt Wieters(Orioles)
4.Joe Mauer(Twins)
5.Salvador Perez(Royals)
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=15675809#15675809

Top 5 from 2nd Base:
1.Robinson Cano(Yankees)
2.Dustin Pedroia(Red Sox)
3.Ian Kinsler(Rangers)
4.Brandon Phillips(Reds)
5.Aaron Hill(Diamondbacks)
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=15728407#15728407

Top 5 from shortstop:
1.Troy Tulowitzki(Rockies)
2.Jose Reyes(Blue Jays)
3.Elvis Andrus(Rangers)
4.Starlin Castro(Cubs)
5.Hanley Ramirez(Dodgers)
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=514271&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Top 5 from 3rd Base:
1.Miguel Cabrera(Tigers)
2.Evan Longoria(Rays)
2.Adrian Beltre(Rangers)
4.David Wright(Mets)
5.Chase Headley(Padres)
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=514692


Here is my 25:
1.Felix Hernandez
2.Justin Verlander
3.Jered Weaver
4.Yu Darvish
5.CC Sabathia
6.David Price
7.James Shield
8.Chris Sale
9.Matt Moore
10.Josh Johnson
11.CJ Wilson
12.Matt Harrison
13.Jon Lester
14.Brett Anderson
15.RA Dickey
16.Max Scherzer
17.Huroki Kuroda
18.Brandon Morrow
19.Jerrod Parker
20.Doug Fister
21.Jake Peavy
22.John Danks
23.Andy Pettitte
24.Mark Buehrle
25.Ricky Romero
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1 - Felix Hernandez
2 - Justin Verlander
3 - David Price
4 - Jered Weaver
5 - CC Sabathia
6 - Yu Darvish
7 - Chris Sale
8 - RA Dickey
9 - James Shields
10 - Josh Johnson
11 - Brandon Morrow
12 - Jake Peavy
13 - Max Scherzer
14 - Jon Lester
15 - Anibal Sanchez
16 - Matt Moore
17 - CJ Wilson
18 - Brett Anderson
19 - Doug Fister
20 - Hiroki Kuroda
21 - Derek Holland
22 - Jeremy Hellickson
23 - Clay Buccholz
24 - Jarrod Parker
25 - Phil Hughes


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Justin Verlander
2. Felix Hernandez
3. CC Sabathia
4. David Price
5. Jered Weaver
6. Chris Sale
7. Yu Darvish
8. Josh Johnson
9. James Shields
10. Jake Peavy
11. Max Scherzer
12. Brandon Morrow
13. Jon Lester
14. RA Dickey
15. Doug Fister
16. Hiroki Kuroda
17. Brett Anderson
18. Anibal Sanchez
19. CJ Wilson
20. Andy Pettitte
21. Jarrod Parker
22. Matt Harrison
23. Micheal Pineda
24. Jason Hammel
25. Matt Moore

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Verlander
2. The King
3. Price
4. Weaver
5. Sabathia
6. Sale
7. Darvish
8. Scherzer
9. CJ Wilson
10. Dickey
11. Moore
12. Kuroda
13. Shields
14. Sanchez
15. Lester
16. J. Johnson
17. Peavy
18. Fister
19. Morrow
20. Parker

Damn, Tigers' rotation is excellent. I knocked Johnson, Peavy, Fister, and Morrow down a little bit because of injury concerns.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Rank the AL Starting Pichers for 2013 Reply with quote

1.Justin Verlander
2.Felix Hernandez
3.Jered Weaver
4.RA Dickey
5.David Price
6.Chris Sale
7.CC Sabathia (pains me to put him here because I am a huge fan but I think he's due for a down season)
8.James Shields
9.CJ Wilson
10.Huroki Kuroda
11.Matt Moore
12.Matt Harrison
13.Jon Lester
14.Brett Anderson
15.Doug Fister
16.Yu Darvish
17.Miguel Gonzalez
18.Brandon Morrow
19.Jarrod Parker
20.Jason Hammel
21.Jake Peavy
22.Mark Buehrle
23.Max Scherzer
24.Josh Johnson
25.Phil Hughes
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Rank the AL Starting Pichers for 2013 Reply with quote

LuckIsGOAT wrote:
9.CJ Wilson
10.Huroki Kuroda
11.Matt Moore
12.Matt Harrison
13.Jon Lester
14.Brett Anderson
15.Doug Fister
16.Yu Darvish



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Rank the AL Starting Pichers for 2013 Reply with quote

LuckIsGOAT wrote:
1.Justin Verlander
2.Felix Hernandez
3.Jered Weaver
4.RA Dickey
5.David Price
6.Chris Sale
7.CC Sabathia (pains me to put him here because I am a huge fan but I think he's due for a down season)
8.James Shields
9.CJ Wilson
10.Huroki Kuroda
11.Matt Moore
12.Matt Harrison
13.Jon Lester
14.Brett Anderson
15.Doug Fister
16.Yu Darvish
17.Miguel Gonzalez
18.Brandon Morrow
19.Jarrod Parker
20.Jason Hammel
21.Jake Peavy
22.Mark Buehrle
23.Max Scherzer
24.Josh Johnson
25.Phil Hughes


About where he was last year as well, so not really changing much.

The second bold. Are you and him personal friends? Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Rank the AL Starting Pichers for 2013 Reply with quote

Mesa_Titan wrote:
About where he was last year as well, so not really changing much.


Last year? Sure. But consistency has to count for something. He's second in the American League in WAR over the past two years. He's third in the American League in WAR over the past three years. He's third in the American League in WAR over the past four years. Looking just at what these guys did in 2012 is shortsighted. I doubt you had Felix outside the top-5 last year.

Not to mention, CC's FIP and ERA were way inflated last year by a fluky 12% HR/FB rate (he's never been above 10% in his career). His strikeout rate was near a career high. His walk rate was also a career best. His groundball rate was the second highest it has been since 2005. So there was some bad luck involved - his xFIP beat Verlander, beat Kershaw, and equaled Felix. His skills really haven't deteriorated at all and since 2007 he's literally the most valuable pitcher in baseball - ahead of Verlander, ahead of Halladay, ahead of Felix, ahead of Kershaw, ahead of Lincecum... you get the idea. So I have a very, very hard time buying a guy like RA Dickey or even really talented pitcher like Chris Sale ahead of him.
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1. Justin Verlander
2. Felix Hernandez
3. David Price
4. Jered Weaver
5. C.C. Sabathia
6. Yu Darvish
7. R.A. Dickey
8. James Shields
9. Chris Sale
10. Max Scherzer
11. Matt Moore
12. C.J. Wilson
13. Jake Peavy
14. Hiroki Kuroda
15. Josh Johnson
16. Jon Lester
17. Brandon Morrow
18. Doug Fister
19. Anibal Sanchez
20. Jarrod Parker
21. Matt Harrison
22. Justin Masterson
23. Brett Anderson
24. Mark Buehrle
25. Tommy Milone
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Rank the AL Starting Pichers for 2013 Reply with quote

mission27 wrote:
Mesa_Titan wrote:
About where he was last year as well, so not really changing much.


Last year? Sure. But consistency has to count for something. He's second in the American League in WAR over the past two years. He's third in the American League in WAR over the past three years. He's third in the American League in WAR over the past four years. Looking just at what these guys did in 2012 is shortsighted. I doubt you had Felix outside the top-5 last year.

Not to mention, CC's FIP and ERA were way inflated last year by a fluky 12% HR/FB rate (he's never been above 10% in his career). His strikeout rate was near a career high. His walk rate was also a career best. His groundball rate was the second highest it has been since 2005. So there was some bad luck involved - his xFIP beat Verlander, beat Kershaw, and equaled Felix. His skills really haven't deteriorated at all and since 2007 he's literally the most valuable pitcher in baseball - ahead of Verlander, ahead of Halladay, ahead of Felix, ahead of Kershaw, ahead of Lincecum... you get the idea. So I have a very, very hard time buying a guy like RA Dickey or even really talented pitcher like Chris Sale ahead of him.


I was with you until you said he's the most valuable pitcher in baseball.

I would have him somewhere around 3-4, though.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Rank the AL Starting Pichers for 2013 Reply with quote

Mesa_Titan wrote:
I was with you until you said he's the most valuable pitcher in baseball.


I think you need to re-read that sentence. I said since 2007 he's been the most valuable pitcher in baseball, not that he is the most valuable pitcher in baseball today. I think that's a fair statement. He leads all big league pitchers in fWAR over the past six years. He's led baseball twice (2007, 2008) and also led the American League once (2011). And he's never been lower than 12th despite pitching in homer-happy Yankee Stadium. How many pitchers have pitched that many innings, that consistently over the past half dozen years? None. The only guy who comes close (since Halladay just had a pretty bad year and Verlander had a couple of them) is Felix. But back in 2007 and 2008, when Sabathia was the best pitcher in baseball, Felix wasn't the same guy he is now.

I agree with you though. I have him third and I can see an argument for putting Price in the top-3 over CC.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Verlander
2. Felix
3. Price
4. Sabathia
5. Weaver
6. Darvish
7. Dickey
8. Sale
9. Fister
10. Scherzer
11. Shields
12. Wilson
13. Anderson
14. Lester
15. Parker
16. Moore
17. Sanchez
18. Peavy
19. Kuroda
20. Johnson
21. Harrison
22. Masterson
23. Morrow
24. Buerhle
25. Hellickson
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keysersoze3421 wrote:
Damn, Tigers' rotation is excellent. I knocked Johnson, Peavy, Fister, and Morrow down a little bit because of injury concerns.


Fister >> Sanchez, injuries or not. Second best pitcher in the Tigers rotation imo, although Scherzer is a stud as well.
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Eh, outside of 2011 they are roughly equals. There is something to be said for Sanchez's consistency and durability.
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