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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Seahawks signings are just filling holes in a team that is mostly the same as last year. Percy Harvin understands the Bevell O and Cliff Avril played in a Wide-9 (Similar to the responsibilities of a LEO).

This is a much different situation to the Eagles.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tooki wrote:
The Seahawks signings are just filling holes in a team that is mostly the same as last year. Percy Harvin understands the Bevell O and Cliff Avril played in a Wide-9 (Similar to the responsibilities of a LEO).

This is a much different situation to the Eagles.


And the Eagles said the same thing...
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Brian23 wrote:
Tooki wrote:
The Seahawks signings are just filling holes in a team that is mostly the same as last year. Percy Harvin understands the Bevell O and Cliff Avril played in a Wide-9 (Similar to the responsibilities of a LEO).

This is a much different situation to the Eagles.


And the Eagles said the same thing...


My only issue is with Russell Wilson and his inevitable sophomore slump.

The Seahawks have better offensive and (especially) defensive coaching.

Scrabble was put into a scheme that goes against his strengths. Jason Babin was Jason Babin and Cullen Jenkins was and still is injury prone and on the back back end of his career. The 3 major Seahawks pickups are are young and about to hit their prime.
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And this isn't even taking into consideration the expectations for that team next year. When everyone is crowning you offseason champs and propping you up to be some great football team before games are even played, players will naturally not work as hard. Even if its not intentional, its just a fact that you won't work as hard when your being told that your great. It's what makes repeating a superbowl win near impossible. And it's the same reason that teams that add a bunch of new faces tend not to live up to expectations.

So you brought up Philadelphia as a cautionary story. How about Green Bay, in the same offseason? They had key players returning from being injured in 2010, and they'd just won a Super Bowl. They were also talked up as a great football team... and they were, at least in the regular season. Ditto for the Patriots in 2007 after they added Moss, Welker and Stallworth. On the flip side, many teams who build their team in the way that you prefer don't live up to expectations either. There's no unique way to build a Super Bowl champion.

As for repeating as Super Bowl champions, I disagree entirely with your theory. Plenty of champions have come out just as motivated as the previous year. The biggest reason why it's so difficult to repeat is that no Super Bowl champion is heads-and-shoulders above its competition. As we've seen in the past few years, many of these teams barely make the playoffs. They become champions through a combination of skill and luck, and if that luck deserts them the next year, then even improved play won't get them another Super Bowl.


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Brian23 wrote:
Tooki wrote:
The Seahawks signings are just filling holes in a team that is mostly the same as last year. Percy Harvin understands the Bevell O and Cliff Avril played in a Wide-9 (Similar to the responsibilities of a LEO).

This is a much different situation to the Eagles.


And the Eagles said the same thing...

And the Patriots said the same thing in 2007, I'll bet. What's your point? Some teams meet or exceed expectations when adding highly-prized (and priced) free agents, some don't. Some teams meet or exceed expectations when building through the draft, some don't.
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the seahawks pretty much to have to win the NFC West this season or its caroll's [inappropriate/removed]
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joru1000 wrote:
the seahawks pretty much to have to win the NFC West this season or its caroll's [inappropriate/removed]



Why? The Niners are still extremely good, being a WC in the NFC West is nothing to feel bad about.

They could be a 12 win team and possibly be a WC team in that division.
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My only issue is with Russell Wilson and his inevitable sophomore slump.

The Seahawks have better offensive and (especially) defensive coaching.

Scrabble was put into a scheme that goes against his strengths. Jason Babin was Jason Babin and Cullen Jenkins was and still is injury prone and on the back back end of his career. The 3 major Seahawks pickups are are young and about to hit their prime.

Of course, nobody knows how the new arrivals will work out, especially with a (sort-of) new defensive coordinator.

But the sophomore slump thing is pretty funny. It seems like people expect successful rookie quarterbacks to get sophomore slumps, while believing that struggling rookie QBs will learn from their mistakes and make substantial improvements. It's almost as if it's better to suck somewhat in your first year if you want to have a successful career. Of course, the read-option thing is a bit of a wild-card, but all of the RO quarterbacks ran the RO well because they could throw well in the first place.
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Pretty sick secondary they got up there.
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Well obviously its different situations. Two different teams with different coaches, different players, etc. But I'm a Redskins fan who watched them for years trying to win the offseason championship and it just doesn't work. Not just for the Redskins, or the Eagles in 2011, but for anyone. What about everyone thinking last offseason the Bills were going to turn the corner by signing Mario Williams and Mark Anderson to solidify their new 4-3 defense? Or Tampa Bay going 7-9 after an offseason haul of Vincent Jackson, Carl Nicks, and Eric Wright?

Yes, that's right, Buffalo and Tampa Bay. Everyone talked them up.

Hmm... (Article dated June 12, 2012)
Average rank for Buffalo winning Super Bowl: 23rd
Average rank for Tampa Bay winning Super Bowl: 28th

Meanwhile Seattle is tied with SF as Super Bowl favorites in the only article I can find from this month, here.

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There are countless examples every year of how not to build a winning team.

There are countless examples every year of teams signing big-name free agents that didn't get the public excited; Seattle's not one of them. Certain vocal posters in specific FF threads is not "everyone"; of course most fans think their team improved during the offseason. I would guess that Washington supposedly winning an offseason championship didn't translate to Vegas either.
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Perfundle wrote:
BigJohnson wrote:
Well obviously its different situations. Two different teams with different coaches, different players, etc. But I'm a Redskins fan who watched them for years trying to win the offseason championship and it just doesn't work. Not just for the Redskins, or the Eagles in 2011, but for anyone. What about everyone thinking last offseason the Bills were going to turn the corner by signing Mario Williams and Mark Anderson to solidify their new 4-3 defense? Or Tampa Bay going 7-9 after an offseason haul of Vincent Jackson, Carl Nicks, and Eric Wright?

Yes, that's right, Buffalo and Tampa Bay. Everyone talked them up.

Hmm... (Article dated June 12, 2012)
Average rank for Buffalo winning Super Bowl: 23rd
Average rank for Tampa Bay winning Super Bowl: 28th

Meanwhile Seattle is tied with SF as Super Bowl favorites in the only article I can find from this month, here.

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There are countless examples every year of how not to build a winning team.

There are countless examples every year of teams signing big-name free agents that didn't get the public excited; Seattle's not one of them. Certain vocal posters in specific FF threads is not "everyone"; of course most fans think their team improved during the offseason. I would guess that Washington supposedly winning an offseason championship didn't translate to Vegas either.


Great posting!

Were the Eagles Super Bowl favorites in 2011? Afraid not. That seems to be the uninformed go-to argument for people commenting on this Seahawks team. These are calculated moves made for players that will fit the system and be a part of the team in the prime of their careers.

Tooki had a great post above as well.
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Hopefully, Seattle signs Winfield.

Then Bruce can make a B-Line, for Charles Woodson.

Winfield is a very good player.
Woodson is a HOFer.
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joru1000 wrote:
the seahawks pretty much to have to win the NFC West this season or its caroll's [inappropriate/removed]


Why? Pete Carroll has done or said nothing to warrant having his butt on the line. If anything, he and GM John Schneider should be commended for making the moves that they did. Nobody on the Seahawks has suggest that they are a 'Dream Team' either.

Perfundle wrote:
Tooki wrote:
My only issue is with Russell Wilson and his inevitable sophomore slump.

The Seahawks have better offensive and (especially) defensive coaching.

Scrabble was put into a scheme that goes against his strengths. Jason Babin was Jason Babin and Cullen Jenkins was and still is injury prone and on the back back end of his career. The 3 major Seahawks pickups are are young and about to hit their prime.

Of course, nobody knows how the new arrivals will work out, especially with a (sort-of) new defensive coordinator.

But the sophomore slump thing is pretty funny. It seems like people expect successful rookie quarterbacks to get sophomore slumps, while believing that struggling rookie QBs will learn from their mistakes and make substantial improvements. It's almost as if it's better to suck somewhat in your first year if you want to have a successful career. Of course, the read-option thing is a bit of a wild-card, but all of the RO quarterbacks ran the RO well because they could throw well in the first place.


I expect teams to be able to dial up more appropriate pressure on Russell Wilson. The Rams were the only team who were able to do it with a lot of success. Bolstering the interior-line and bringing in Percy Harvin should amend that to some extent but we'll see what happens.
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aceinthehouse wrote:
Hopefully, Seattle signs Winfield.

Then Bruce can make a B-Line, for Charles Woodson.

Winfield is a very good player.
Woodson is a HOFer.


You think Woodson is a better player than Winfield at this point? And you would rather sign him than WinfieldÉ

Man, Skins fans are seriously bitter about that 1 playoff loss lol so mud slinging its laughable.
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aceinthehouse wrote:
Hopefully, Seattle signs Winfield.

Then Bruce can make a B-Line, for Charles Woodson.

Winfield is a very good player.
Woodson is a HOFer.


Neither are that good at this point due to their age.

Now, are you just going to ignore my questions in my previous post? And the sig bet about Seattle making the playoffs?
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