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Malik


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Hoover82 wrote:
Eli is extremely overrated and the thought that some people say he should be in the hall of fame is just silly to me. I mean check out his sub par career qb stats.

Games played - 137
Career comp pct - 58.6
TD's - 211
INT's - 144
Career qb rating - 82.7

I mean his td to int ratio is only 1.4 / 1 and under 60% completions.
Now look at a guy like Romo's career stats who everyone says is terrible.

Games played - 121
Career comp pct - 64.7
TD's - 177
INT's - 91
Career qb rating - 95.6


Romo is also 6th all time in 4th quarter qb rating


Would of had a stronger argument without mentioning Romo. He's actually like Matt Hasselbeck statistically.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malik wrote:
Justin Hoover82 wrote:
Eli is extremely overrated and the thought that some people say he should be in the hall of fame is just silly to me. I mean check out his sub par career qb stats.

Games played - 137
Career comp pct - 58.6
TD's - 211
INT's - 144
Career qb rating - 82.7

I mean his td to int ratio is only 1.4 / 1 and under 60% completions.
Now look at a guy like Romo's career stats who everyone says is terrible.

Games played - 121
Career comp pct - 64.7
TD's - 177
INT's - 91
Career qb rating - 95.6


Romo is also 6th all time in 4th quarter qb rating


Would of had a stronger argument without mentioning Romo. He's actually like Matt Hasselbeck statistically.


it's funny looking at eli's stats he really appears to be mediocre....but when your team is facing him in the 4th quarter of a close game.....you def get nervous.....he's certainly a unique player to say the least
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mse326 wrote:
Eli
3 pro bowls
0 all-pro teams
5 Playoff Appearances (1 and done 3 times)
2 SB rings
3x top 5 in yards
3x top 5 in TDs
0x top 5 in passer rating
4x top 5 in INT (2x leading)(being top 5 is bad here)
1x top 5 in ypa
28 GWD
24 comebacks
Regular season record: 78-57

Ben
2 pro bowls
0 all-pro teams
6 playoff appearances (1 and done 2 times)
2 SB rings (1 other appearance)
0x top 5 in yards
1x top 5 in TDs
5x top 5 in passer rating
2x top 5 in INTs (1x leading)
5x top 5 in ypa (1x leading)
29 GWD
22 Comebacks
Regular season record: 87-39

Rodgers
1 MVP
3 pro bowls
1 1st team all-pro and 1 2nd team all-pro
4 playoff appearances (1 and done 2 times)
1 SB ring
3x top 5 in yards
4x top 5 in TDs
4x top 5 in passer rating (2x leading)
0x top 5 in INTs
4x top 5 in ypa (1x leading)
9 GWD
5 comebacks
Regular season record: 52-26

Ben and Eli haven't even had that much more team success, and their personal accomplishments are already below Rodgers.

Ranking
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger
Eli Manning


I'm sorry but you saying "not that much more team success" is a joke akin to me saying Aaron Rodgers hasn't had that much more individual success pretending an MVP is easy to get. The reality of the matter is Rodgers hasn't even come close to reaching a Super BOwl again... let alone a 3rd. He's been one-and-doned two straight years...
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlaqOptic wrote:
mse326 wrote:
Eli
3 pro bowls
0 all-pro teams
5 Playoff Appearances (1 and done 3 times)
2 SB rings
3x top 5 in yards
3x top 5 in TDs
0x top 5 in passer rating
4x top 5 in INT (2x leading)(being top 5 is bad here)
1x top 5 in ypa
28 GWD
24 comebacks
Regular season record: 78-57

Ben
2 pro bowls
0 all-pro teams
6 playoff appearances (1 and done 2 times)
2 SB rings (1 other appearance)
0x top 5 in yards
1x top 5 in TDs
5x top 5 in passer rating
2x top 5 in INTs (1x leading)
5x top 5 in ypa (1x leading)
29 GWD
22 Comebacks
Regular season record: 87-39

Rodgers
1 MVP
3 pro bowls
1 1st team all-pro and 1 2nd team all-pro
4 playoff appearances (1 and done 2 times)
1 SB ring
3x top 5 in yards
4x top 5 in TDs
4x top 5 in passer rating (2x leading)
0x top 5 in INTs
4x top 5 in ypa (1x leading)
9 GWD
5 comebacks
Regular season record: 52-26

Ben and Eli haven't even had that much more team success, and their personal accomplishments are already below Rodgers.

Ranking
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger
Eli Manning


I'm sorry but you saying "not that much more team success" is a joke akin to me saying Aaron Rodgers hasn't had that much more individual success pretending an MVP is easy to get. The reality of the matter is Rodgers hasn't even come close to reaching a Super BOwl again... let alone a 3rd. He's been one-and-doned two straight years...
Really? We didn't win a playoff game last year? News to me... Plus those losses have kinda been on the defense. Sorry Rodgers can't go Super-God mode and score 50 points every game with back up offensive tackles...
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

x0x wrote:
1. Eli Manning



I'd put Rodgers in a tie with Roethlisberger.


Eli Manning has a record 5 road playoff victories.
Eli Manning is the only QB to lead two wildcard teams to a Championship.
Eli Manning is the only QB to win two titles with him team as the underdog.
Eli Manning is the only QB to have two game winning drives playing from behind in the Super Bowl in the last 2 minutes.
Posts like this allow me to enjoy this forum so much more. Great insight. Anyway, I'd go
1. Ben
2. Eli
3. Rodgers

Ben has better stats than Eli and the same number of rings. Eli has more rings than Rodgers, but Rodgers is the better passer off all 3. It's a shame rings count more than stats but they do.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Molecular wrote:
x0x wrote:
1. Eli Manning



I'd put Rodgers in a tie with Roethlisberger.


Eli Manning has a record 5 road playoff victories.
Eli Manning is the only QB to lead two wildcard teams to a Championship.
Eli Manning is the only QB to win two titles with him team as the underdog.
Eli Manning is the only QB to have two game winning drives playing from behind in the Super Bowl in the last 2 minutes.
Posts like this allow me to enjoy this forum so much more. Great insight. Anyway, I'd go
1. Ben
2. Eli
3. Rodgers

Ben has better stats than Eli and the same number of rings. Eli has more rings than Rodgers, but Rodgers is the better passer off all 3. It's a shame rings count more than stats but they do.


in this case i disagree....rodgers is THAT much better then the both of them as a football player....the extra ring really should't make that much of a difference in this case....only when players are close in ability should 1 ring matter IMO
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

x0x wrote:
CKSteeler wrote:
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Eli Manning has a record 5 road playoff victories.
Eli Manning is the only QB to lead two wildcard teams to a Championship.
Eli Manning is the only QB to win two titles with him team as the underdog.
Eli Manning is the only QB to have two game winning drives playing from behind in the Super Bowl in the last 2 minutes.


Roethlisberger doesn't have 5 road playoff victories in his career because his teams have been higher seeds more than once. In 2005, the Steelers were a 6th seed and the first WC to win a ring. They were the first team since the merger to win it all without a home playoff game, not the Giants. Eli not only isn't the "only" QB, he wasn't even first.

Longevity matters, for the people ranking Rodgers so highly. He likely continues to do what he is doing, but there is no guarantee. The fact that he started later in his career will also hurt his overall legacy. Favre actually came out and said that Rodgers would shatter everything he did. I find that hard to believe considering how long Favre racked up stats, though I admittedly haven't done the math. I know Favre didn't do the math, either, though, so I don't mind questioning him. Still, in the end Rodgers is most likely going to be thought of as the superior player. Ben and Eli still have done more as players at this point.


Read it again. Eli IS the ONLY QB to lead TWO wild card teams to a championship.


I only remember one. Didn't the Giants win the division in 2011?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Hoover82 wrote:
SteelKing728 wrote:
Justin Hoover82 wrote:
SteelKing728 wrote:
In terms of how there career turned out:

Ben Roethlisberger
Eli Manning
Aaron Rodgers

As a pure passing QB though:

Aaron Rodgers
Eli Manning
Ben Roethlisberger
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In what way has Eli's career turned out better than Rodgers other than the fact he has 1 extra ring? If it's all about the rings then Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino


I never said it was all about the rings.

I should have probably ranked Eli higher. He's so freaking clutch and always seems to come up big when his team needs him (allthough this past year the Giants weren't very good).

If I had the choice of any QB in the league, I'd easily take Eli over everyone else.


WHAAA? ELI OVER ANY QB IN THE LEAGUE???? WOW


Statistically, he probably won't scare anybody, but when it comes down to crunch time..Man, he's the best.

I'm not a stats person. They're fun to look at, but I don't try to take out a lot from them. Just from watching Eli Manning have I got that impression, even if he isn't necessarily the "best" Quarterback in the game.

Do you find it crazy I'd take him over Rodgers, Roethlisberger or even my boy Christian Ponder? Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MNPackfan32 wrote:
BlaqOptic wrote:
mse326 wrote:
Eli
3 pro bowls
0 all-pro teams
5 Playoff Appearances (1 and done 3 times)
2 SB rings
3x top 5 in yards
3x top 5 in TDs
0x top 5 in passer rating
4x top 5 in INT (2x leading)(being top 5 is bad here)
1x top 5 in ypa
28 GWD
24 comebacks
Regular season record: 78-57

Ben
2 pro bowls
0 all-pro teams
6 playoff appearances (1 and done 2 times)
2 SB rings (1 other appearance)
0x top 5 in yards
1x top 5 in TDs
5x top 5 in passer rating
2x top 5 in INTs (1x leading)
5x top 5 in ypa (1x leading)
29 GWD
22 Comebacks
Regular season record: 87-39

Rodgers
1 MVP
3 pro bowls
1 1st team all-pro and 1 2nd team all-pro
4 playoff appearances (1 and done 2 times)
1 SB ring
3x top 5 in yards
4x top 5 in TDs
4x top 5 in passer rating (2x leading)
0x top 5 in INTs
4x top 5 in ypa (1x leading)
9 GWD
5 comebacks
Regular season record: 52-26

Ben and Eli haven't even had that much more team success, and their personal accomplishments are already below Rodgers.

Ranking
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger
Eli Manning


I'm sorry but you saying "not that much more team success" is a joke akin to me saying Aaron Rodgers hasn't had that much more individual success pretending an MVP is easy to get. The reality of the matter is Rodgers hasn't even come close to reaching a Super BOwl again... let alone a 3rd. He's been one-and-doned two straight years...
Really? We didn't win a playoff game last year? News to me... Plus those losses have kinda been on the defense. Sorry Rodgers can't go Super-God mode and score 50 points every game with back up offensive tackles...


Didn't the Vikings have a wide receiver playing quarterback that night? Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Molecular wrote:
Eli has more rings than Rodgers, but Rodgers is the better passer off all 3. It's a shame rings count more than stats but they do.


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Means Rivers will be top 10 again! Very Happy

Crying or Very sad
Reminds me of KoS. I miss that little bugger.
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Big Ben
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Rodgers
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SteelKing728 wrote:
Justin Hoover82 wrote:
SteelKing728 wrote:
Justin Hoover82 wrote:
SteelKing728 wrote:
In terms of how there career turned out:

Ben Roethlisberger
Eli Manning
Aaron Rodgers

As a pure passing QB though:

Aaron Rodgers
Eli Manning
Ben Roethlisberger
''

In what way has Eli's career turned out better than Rodgers other than the fact he has 1 extra ring? If it's all about the rings then Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino


I never said it was all about the rings.

I should have probably ranked Eli higher. He's so freaking clutch and always seems to come up big when his team needs him (allthough this past year the Giants weren't very good).

If I had the choice of any QB in the league, I'd easily take Eli over everyone else.


WHAAA? ELI OVER ANY QB IN THE LEAGUE???? WOW


Statistically, he probably won't scare anybody, but when it comes down to crunch time..Man, he's the best.

I'm not a stats person. They're fun to look at, but I don't try to take out a lot from them. Just from watching Eli Manning have I got that impression, even if he isn't necessarily the "best" Quarterback in the game.

Do you find it crazy I'd take him over Rodgers, Roethlisberger or even my boy Christian Ponder? Laughing


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nugpimpen wrote:


So should Bo Jackson be in the HOF?


Nope. As amazing of an athlete as Bo was, he didn't do enough in the NFL due to his baseball career.

Gale Sayers is in the HOF though for obvious reasons.

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I understand he is better than both of them, but they have both accomplished more in their CAREERS.

Again, it's skewed because the other two have played longer.

Once Arod plays the same # of season's as the other two have up until this point, it would be even, and at current pace, Arod would surpass them both.

I'm going off the information we have right now.


Barry Sanders or Emmitt Smith?






FourThreeMafia wrote:
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Rodgers is the best pure passer of all of them, but in terms of ranking their careers, he would definitely be 3rd AT THIS POINT.

Between Ben and Eli...

Same amount of SB wins.

Ben has more playoff appearances, wins and extra SB appearance.

Eli has slightly better bulk stats.

Ben has much better efficiency.

IMO...

1) Ben
2) Eli
3) Rodgers

However, in reality, Rodgers will likely be number 1, and it will just depend how Eli's and Ben's careers wind down.




This is what I'm getting at.



Rodgers is better, but the other have had better careers up to this point, but have also been in the league longer.
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nugpimpen wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
nugpimpen wrote:


So should Bo Jackson be in the HOF?


Nope. As amazing of an athlete as Bo was, he didn't do enough in the NFL due to his baseball career.

Gale Sayers is in the HOF though for obvious reasons.

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I understand he is better than both of them, but they have both accomplished more in their CAREERS.

Again, it's skewed because the other two have played longer.

Once Arod plays the same # of season's as the other two have up until this point, it would be even, and at current pace, Arod would surpass them both.

I'm going off the information we have right now.


Barry Sanders or Emmitt Smith?






FourThreeMafia wrote:
Quote:
Rodgers is the best pure passer of all of them, but in terms of ranking their careers, he would definitely be 3rd AT THIS POINT.

Between Ben and Eli...

Same amount of SB wins.

Ben has more playoff appearances, wins and extra SB appearance.

Eli has slightly better bulk stats.

Ben has much better efficiency.

IMO...

1) Ben
2) Eli
3) Rodgers

However, in reality, Rodgers will likely be number 1, and it will just depend how Eli's and Ben's careers wind down.




This is what I'm getting at.



Rodgers is better, but the other have had better careers up to this point, but have also been in the league longer.


Not to mention the Barry - Emmitt thing isn't a good comparison here.

Barry played at an elite level for 10 seasons. I understand you are trying to point out that Smith put up better stats and played longer.

Rodgers has only played 5 elite seasons. He didn't get his chance right away.

I'm 90% sure that in the end, Arod will have the better career, but the OP wanted to know if they retired today...
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