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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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hes going to play.
hes tough but just really unlucky

he wanted back in big time this weekend. he didnt even follow protocall coming in so quickly. he wants to play
This doesn't make any sense. If Harvin is rushing himself back then him getting injured, again, isn't unlucky, it's stupidity.
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Him and Marshawn should trade contracts. Harvin never had any business being the highest paid player on this team. Especially considering the amount of talent that already needed to be paid.


He got hit in the head twice and they weren't small hits his head got rocked it was just bad luck.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vikingshomer wrote:
49ers Finest wrote:
hes going to play.
hes tough but just really unlucky

he wanted back in big time this weekend. he didnt even follow protocall coming in so quickly. he wants to play
This doesn't make any sense. If Harvin is rushing himself back then him getting injured, again, isn't unlucky, it's stupidity.
So.... you didn't watch the game? Neither of those hits had anything to do with his hip Confused
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Tatupu_64 wrote:
vikingshomer wrote:
49ers Finest wrote:
hes going to play.
hes tough but just really unlucky

he wanted back in big time this weekend. he didnt even follow protocall coming in so quickly. he wants to play
This doesn't make any sense. If Harvin is rushing himself back then him getting injured, again, isn't unlucky, it's stupidity.
So.... you didn't watch the game? Neither of those hits had anything to do with his hip Confused
i'd be wary of his history of migraines though
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chamilitary wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
vikingshomer wrote:
49ers Finest wrote:
hes going to play.
hes tough but just really unlucky

he wanted back in big time this weekend. he didnt even follow protocall coming in so quickly. he wants to play
This doesn't make any sense. If Harvin is rushing himself back then him getting injured, again, isn't unlucky, it's stupidity.
So.... you didn't watch the game? Neither of those hits had anything to do with his hip Confused
i'd be wary of his history of migraines though


You mean the ones attributed to sleep apnea which haven't been an issue since doctors made the prognostication?
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SoS wrote:
chamilitary wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
vikingshomer wrote:
49ers Finest wrote:
hes going to play.
hes tough but just really unlucky

he wanted back in big time this weekend. he didnt even follow protocall coming in so quickly. he wants to play
This doesn't make any sense. If Harvin is rushing himself back then him getting injured, again, isn't unlucky, it's stupidity.
So.... you didn't watch the game? Neither of those hits had anything to do with his hip Confused
i'd be wary of his history of migraines though


You mean the ones attributed to sleep apnea which haven't been an issue since doctors made the prognostication?
yea most likely the migraines didn't have anything to do with concussions, but has he had a concussion since he last experienced the migraines? who knows if it could trigger a recurrence of these issues. head injuries are no joke.
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This is typical Percy Harvin. He can't even stay healthy for a whole game anymore. Seattle is best off just letting him go in the offseason.

I can't believe we managed to get so much for a WR who hasn't develop at all in the NFL and is so injury prone.


I don't recall but was he wearing sleeves yesterday? Could that have been the cause of all this?


His problems go well beyond ARS, but Percy Harvin is no wuss.

I'll let you figure out what that stands for...

If I'm running the Seahawks, I have serious doubts that Harvin will be an impactful player for my team, and should possibly look at "shelfing" him for the 2014 season and then releasing him. But this is a worst case scenario, where this concussion would lead to serious migraine issues. Harvin is a tough player, but he has some real issues that I just don't know exactly where they should go from here. IR him? Hope for the best? who knows...

Regardless of where Seattle goes this season, they are going to need some serious WR help.


1. Yea, WR is a top need for us whether or not Harvin is playing.

2. Give me a break. "Shelfing" him in 2014 only to release him in 2015? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? If you're "shelfing" him in 2014, it would be in hopes that he could return 100% for the 2015 season. If we have any inclination to release him, we'll ride him until the tires fall off in 2014 to squeeze every drop of value we can get out of him. And why exactly would a concussion keep him out for the entire following season? Laughing The team has already shown signs of bringing him back too early from the hip labrum and too early from concussion signs, so what makes you think they'll suddenly take it easy on him now?


I said I didn't really know what Seattle should do, and "shelfing" was just an idea. I hope Seattle doesn't rush him back from a concussion. Harvin is an explosive talent (even if he's limited to what he can do) and I'd hate to see a player of that caliber not play in the NFL due to injuries.
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SteelKing728 wrote:
SoS wrote:
SteelKing728 wrote:
Packer70 wrote:
SteelKing728 wrote:
This is typical Percy Harvin. He can't even stay healthy for a whole game anymore. Seattle is best off just letting him go in the offseason.

I can't believe we managed to get so much for a WR who hasn't develop at all in the NFL and is so injury prone.


I don't recall but was he wearing sleeves yesterday? Could that have been the cause of all this?


His problems go well beyond ARS, but Percy Harvin is no wuss.

I'll let you figure out what that stands for...

If I'm running the Seahawks, I have serious doubts that Harvin will be an impactful player for my team, and should possibly look at "shelfing" him for the 2014 season and then releasing him. But this is a worst case scenario, where this concussion would lead to serious migraine issues. Harvin is a tough player, but he has some real issues that I just don't know exactly where they should go from here. IR him? Hope for the best? who knows...

Regardless of where Seattle goes this season, they are going to need some serious WR help.


1. Yea, WR is a top need for us whether or not Harvin is playing.

2. Give me a break. "Shelfing" him in 2014 only to release him in 2015? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? If you're "shelfing" him in 2014, it would be in hopes that he could return 100% for the 2015 season. If we have any inclination to release him, we'll ride him until the tires fall off in 2014 to squeeze every drop of value we can get out of him. And why exactly would a concussion keep him out for the entire following season? Laughing The team has already shown signs of bringing him back too early from the hip labrum and too early from concussion signs, so what makes you think they'll suddenly take it easy on him now?


I said I didn't really know what Seattle should do, and "shelfing" was just an idea. I hope Seattle doesn't rush him back from a concussion. Harvin is an explosive talent (even if he's limited to what he can do) and I'd hate to see a player of that caliber not play in the NFL due to injuries.


He won't be rushed back if it is career threatening.
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SoS wrote:
chamilitary wrote:
i'd be wary of his history of migraines though

You mean the ones attributed to sleep apnea which haven't been an issue since doctors made the prognostication?

first of all, doctors don't make prognostications, they make diagnoses. a prognostication is more like predicting the future. if you're going to pretend you know what you're talking about, at least get the vocabulary right.

Laughing

second, you better believe any neurologist having a patient with a severe migraine history would be very concerned his patient has now suffered a violent concussion. the concussion could very well make the migraines more likely to occur, and the migraine history could very well make the concussion symptoms take longer to dissipate.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

His prognostication was that it wouldn't affect him once the diagnosis was made Wink
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chamilitary wrote:
i'd be wary of his history of migraines though

You mean the ones attributed to sleep apnea which haven't been an issue since doctors made the prognostication?

first of all, doctors don't make prognostications, they make diagnoses. a prognostication is more like predicting the future. if you're going to pretend you know what you're talking about, at least get the vocabulary right.

Laughing

second, you better believe any neurologist having a patient with a severe migraine history would be very concerned his patient has now suffered a violent concussion. the concussion could very well make the migraines more likely to occur, and the migraine history could very well make the concussion symptoms take longer to dissipate.

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Everyone remembers that Harvin's migraines were cured when he was treated for sleep apnea. That dates back to a report from preseason 2010: http://m.1500espn.com/pages/sportswire.php?sPL=percy_harvin_confirms_he_has_sleep_apnea_says_hes_feeling_great

...which has been referenced several times since Harvin was traded, including in a PFT story last spring.

Most non-Vikings fans don't know that Harvin's migraines did recur throughout 2010, he missed dozens of practices and a couple of games that year because of them. So the sleep apnea treatment (he's describing a CPAP machine) wasn't a cure.

The migraines cleared up again at the end of the 2010 season and apparently haven't been a problem since. Harvin credited that improvement to some changes in diet and some treatment on his neck: http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/For_real_this_time_Percy_Harvin_says_hes_migrainefree_for_5_months061811

AFAIK, Harvin has never been diagnosed with a concussion as a pro. Concussions often make migraines worse, but not always. The effects are unpredictable, our understanding of the process of injury and recovery is limited.

Hope he's well enough able to play on Sunday, or failing that, 2 weeks later.
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Migraines aren't "cured". Certainly, migraine have underlying triggers...one being sleep apnea. But to say that he is "cured" from any headache disorder proves that you don't know much about headache syndromes. Headaches are NOT very well understood at this time. There are a ton of theories on pathophysiology.

It just so happen that the most common post-TBI complication is headaches. When the Neuro staff follows Harvin, this is one of the many boxes that will have to be checked.

A headache is a headache...and it isn't very easy to differentiate the different types. It is en vogue for Neurologist to throw practically everything into the "migraine" wastebasket...but it is going to be incredibly difficult to determine if the headache is due to "post-concussive/TBI" or "migraine".
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Yeah, "cured" wasn't meant to be my word there. Was just trying to reflect the misconception that Harvin's migraines haven't been an issue since he got a CPAP machine for OSA. This comes up again and again, seems to be based on this PFT article from the time he was traded: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/13/migraines-no-longer-a-concern-for-percy-harvin/ -- which ignored later reporting that I linked to above.

I'm a neurologist, and know something about headache. You're right that it's hard to separate post-concussive headaches from migraine.

Harvin's return-to-play schedule will depend in part on his headache symptoms (if any) and on several other features, some of which (slow mental processing, for instance) can also occur in an ongoing migraine.
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He's damaged goods now but damn was he fun to watch when he was healthy for the Vikes.
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