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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:29 pm    Post subject: dcfields Player Rankings - Defense, Kickers & Punters v3 Reply with quote

Defensive End
Name College Height Weight 40-Yd. Trending

1 Jadeveon Clowney So. Carolina 6'51/4'' 266 4.53
2 Kony Ealy Missouri 6'4'' 273 4.70p
3 Stephon Tuitt Notre Dame 6'5'' 304 5.02p
4 Dee Ford Auburn 6'2'' 252 4.63p
5 Scott Crichton Oregon St. 6'27/8'' 273 4.84
6 Trent Murphy Stanford 6'5'' 250 4.86
7 Demarcus Lawrence Boise St. 6'27/8'' 251 4.70p ˄ ˄ ˄
8 Kareem Martin No. Carolina 6'57/8'' 272 4.72 ˄ ˄ ˄
9 Marcus Smith Louisville 6'33/8'' 251 4.68
10 Chris Smith Arkansas 6'1'' 266 4.71
11 Jackson Jeffcoat Texas 6'3'' 247 4.63
12 Ed Stinson Alabama 6'3'' 287 4.87e
13 James Gayle Va. Tech 6'37/8'' 259 4.61p
14 Brent Urban Virginia 6'7'' 295 4.98e
15 Will Clarke W. Virginia 6'61/8'' 271 4.77
16 Taylor Hart Oregon 6'6'' 281 4.87p
17 Aaron Lynch (RSo) So. Florida 6'5'' 249 4.69p
18 Jeoffrey Pagan Alabama 6'3'' 310 4.92e ˅ ˅ ˅
19 Josh Mauro Stanford 6'57/8'' 271 5.21
20 Cassius Marsh UCLA 6'4'' 252 4.74p
21 Larry Webster Bloomsburg 6'53/4'' 252 4.58 ˄ ˄ ˄
22 Michael Sam Missouri 6'2'' 261 4.71p
23 Ethan Westbrooks W. Texas A&M 6'31/2'' 267 4.86p
24 Ben Gardner Stanford 6'4'' 277 5.05p
25 Jonathan Newsome Ball St. 6'25/8'' 247 4.73
26 Kasim Edebali Boston College 6'2'' 253 4.79
27 Chaz Sutton So. Carolina 6'4'' 263 4.82e
28 Zach Moore Concordia-St.Paul 6'51/2'' 259 4.84
29 IK Enemkpali La. Tech 6'03/4'' 261 4.94p
30 Chidera Uzo-Diribe Colorado 6'2'' 252 4.70p
31 Tevin Mims So. Florida 6'4'' 260 4.95
32 Denico Autry Mississippi St. 6'43/8'' 266 5.12p
33 Colton Underwood Illinois St. 6'3'' 255 4.73p
34 Garrison Smith Georgia 6'3'' 299 5.02e
35 Kerry Wynn Richmond 6'5'' 266 4.70p

Defensive Tackle
Name College Height Weight 40-Yd. Trending

1 Aaron Donald Pittsburgh 6'03/4'' 285 4.68
2 Timmy Jernigan Florida St. 6'15/8'' 298 5.04p
3 Louis Nix III Notre Dame 6'23/8'' 331 5.35p ˅ ˅ ˅
4 RaShede Hageman Minnesota 6'57/8'' 310 5.02
5 Dominique Easley Florida 6'2'' 288 4.93e
6 DaQuan Jones Penn St. 6'33/4'' 322 5.35
7 Ego Ferguson LSU 6'3'' 315 5.15p
8 Kelcy Quarles So. Carolina 6'33/4'' 297 5.03
9 Will Sutton Arizona St. 6'01/2'' 303 5.31p
10 Anthony Johnson LSU 6'21/2'' 308 5.24
11 Daniel McCullers Tennessee 6'7'' 352 5.33p
12 Caraun Reid Princeton 6'21/8'' 302 4.88p
13 Justin Ellis La. Tech 6'11/2'' 334 5.12p ˄ ˄ ˄
14 George Uko USC 6'25/8'' 284 4.99
15 Deandre Coleman California 6'5'' 314 5.08p
16 Shamar Stephen UConn 6'47/8'' 309 5.25
17 Jay Bromley Syracuse 6'31/8'' 306 4.98p
18 Ryan Carrethers Arkansas St. 6'11/4'' 337 5.35p ˅ ˅ ˅
19 Khyri Thornton So. Mississippi 6'25/8'' 304 5.03 ˄ ˄ ˄
20 Zack Kerr Delaware 6'13/8'' 326 5.08
21 Kerry Hyder Texas Tech 6'21/2'' 290 5.09p ˄ ˄ ˄
22 Bruce Gaston Purdue 6'2'' 310 4.98p
23 Calvin Barnett Oklahoma St. 6'2'' 300 5.27p
24 Eathyn Manumaleuna BYU 6'21/4'' 296 5.05p ˅ ˅ ˅
25 Lawrence Virgil Valdosta St. 6'4'' 290 5.00p ˄ ˄ ˄
26 Beau Allen Wisconsin 6'3'' 325 5.23e
27 Chris Whaley Texas 6'3'' 273 5.02e ˄ ˄ ˄
28 Demonte McAllister Florida St. 6'2'' 290 5.06e
29 Tenny Palepoi Utah 6'11/2'' 298 5.10 ˅ ˅ ˅
30 Ricky Havili-Heimuli Oregon 6'4'' 314 5.31p
31 Jamie Meder Ashland 6'21/4'' 293 5.20p ˄ ˄ ˄
32 Mike Pennel CO St.-Pueblo 6'41/4'' 332 5.23 ˄ ˄ ˄
33 Derrick Hopkins Va. Tech 5'115/8'' 321 5.06p
34 Robert Thomas Arkansas 6'1'' 327 5.26e
35 Ken Bishop No. Illinois 6'1'' 308 4.96p
36 Viliami Moala California 6'2'' 318 5.50p
37 Byran Jones Arkansas 6'2'' 315 5.12e
38 Kaleb Ramsey Boston College 6'3'' 297 5.24e
39 Chris Davenport Tulane 6'3'' 343 5.38e
40 Ricky Tjong-A-Tjoe Boise St. 6'3'' 309 5.39p
41 Tim Jackson No. Carolina 6'4'' 292 4.81p

Outside Linebacker
Name College Height Weight 40-Yd. Trending

1 Khalil Mack Buffalo 6'25/8'' 251 4.55p ˄ ˄ ˄
2 Anthony Barr UCLA 6'47/8'' 255 4.45p ˅ ˅ ˅
3 Ryan Shazier Ohio St. 6'1'' 237 4.38p ˄ ˄ ˄
4 Kyle Van Noy BYU 6'31/8'' 243 4.71
5 Christian Jones Florida St. 6'31/8'' 240 4.74
6 Jeremiah Attaochu Ga. Tech 6'3'' 252 4.60p
7 Carl Bradford Arizona St. 6'03/4'' 250 4.69p
8 Telvin Smith Florida St. 6'3'' 218 4.52 ˄ ˄ ˄
9 Adrian Hubbard Alabama 6'6'' 257 4.69
10 Trevor Reilly Utah 6'5'' 245 4.71p
11 Christian Kirksey Iowa 6'2'' 233 4.51p
12 Jordan Tripp Montana 6'23/4'' 234 4.67
13 Ronald Powell Florida 6'31/8'' 237 4.65
14 Prince Shembo Notre Dame 6'13/8'' 253 4.71
15 Devon Kennard USC 6'3'' 249 4.70 ˅ ˅ ˅
16 Morgan Breslin USC 6'11/8'' 250 4.65p
17 Howard Jones Shepherd 6'21/2'' 235 4.53p ˄ ˄ ˄
18 Khairi Fortt California 6'21/4'' 248 4.70
19 Jonathan Brown Illinois 6'03/8'' 238 4.86p
20 Tyler Starr So. Dakota 6'41/8'' 250 4.59p ˅ ˅ ˅
21 Kevin Pierre-Louis Boston College 6'01/2'' 232 4.51
22 Derrell Johnson E. Carolina 6'2'' 264 4.61p
23 Boseko Lokombo Oregon 6'21/8'' 225 4.66
24 Shaquil Barrett Colorado St. 6'2'' 250 4.75p
25 Denicos Allen Michigan St. 5'11'' 218 4.77p
26 Anthony Hitchens Iowa 6'03/8'' 240 4.60p
27 Marquis Flowers Arizona 6'2'' 233 4.50p
28 Jayrone Elliott Toledo 6'3'' 240 4.75p
29 Xavius Boyd W. Kentucky 6'1'' 243 4.83e
30 Marcus Whitfield Maryland 6'2'' 250 4.78e
31 Corey Nelson Oklahoma 6'1'' 226 4.60p
32 Jamal Merrell Rutgers 6'4'' 230 4.65p
33 Brandon Watts Ga. Tech 6'2'' 235 4.49p
34 Nate Askew Texas A&M 6'33/8'' 241 4.46p

Inside Linebacker
Name College Height Weight 40-Yd. Trending

1 C.J. Mosley Alabama 6'2'' 234 4.64p
2 Chris Borland Wisconsin 5'111/2'' 248 4.83
3 Shayne Skov Stanford 6'2'' 245 4.95e
4 Yawin Smallwood UConn 6'21/4'' 246 5.01
5 Lamin Barrow LSU 6'13/8'' 237 4.64
6 Preston Brown Louisville 6'11/4'' 251 4.86
7 Jordan Zumwalt UCLA 6'4'' 235 4.76
8 Max Bullough Michigan St. 6'31/2'' 249 4.73p
9 Andrew Jackson W. Kentucky 6'1'' 254 4.82e
10 Avery Williamson Kentucky 6'1'' 246 4.66
11 Jeremiah George Iowa St. 5'111/4'' 234 4.67p
12 Brock Coyle Montana 6'1'' 245 4.62p ˄ ˄ ˄
13 James Morris Iowa 6'07/8'' 241 4.60p
14 Glenn Carson Penn St. 6'3'' 235 4.70p
15 DeDe Lattimore So. Florida 6'0'' 237 4.63p
16 Steele Divitto Boston College 6'2'' 237 4.72p ˄ ˄ ˄
17 Uani (Devin) Unga BYU 6'1'' 231 4.82e
18 Greg Blair Cincinnati 6'1'' 252 4.85p
19 Caleb Lavey Oklahoma St. 6'2'' 235 4.64e
20 Marquis Spruill Syracuse 6'0'' 224 4.59p
21 Stephon Robertson James Madison 5'11'' 220 4.66p
22 Chris Young Arizona St. 6'0'' 244 4.84p
23 Jack Tyler Va. Tech 6'0'' 230 4.81p
24 Dan Fox Notre Dame 6'3'' 245 4.67p
25 Keith Smith San Jose St. 6'0'' 229 4.98p ˅ ˅ ˅
26 Cqulin Hubert S.E. Louisiana 6'1'' 250 4.84e
27 Mike Marry Ole Miss 6'2'' 259 4.95p
28 Nate Dreiling Pittsburg St. 6'3'' 236 5.10p ˅ ˅ ˅
29 Chase Garnham Vanderbilt 6'2'' 234 4.61p ˄ ˄ ˄

Cornerback
Name College Height Weight 40-Yd. Trending

1 Justin Gilbert Oklahoma St. 6'01/8'' 202 4.37
2 Darqueze Dennard Michigan St. 5'107/8'' 199 4.51
3 Kyle Fuller Va. Tech 5'113/4'' 190 4.49 ˄ ˄ ˄
4 Bradley Roby Ohio St. 5'111/4'' 194 4.39
5 Jason Verrett TCU 5'91/2'' 189 4.38
6 Marcus Roberson Florida 6'01/4'' 191 4.61
7 Bashaud Breeland Clemson 5'113/8'' 197 4.59p
8 Lamarcus Joyner Florida St. 5'8'' 184 4.55
9 Keith McGill Utah 6'33/8'' 211 4.51
10 Stanley Jean-Baptiste Nebraska 6'25/8'' 218 4.47p
11 Jaylen Watkins Florida 5'111/2'' 194 4.41
12 Pierre Desir Lindenwood 6'1'' 191 4.55p
13 Louchiez Purifoy Florida 5'111/2'' 190 4.61 ˅ ˅ ˅
14 Victor Hampton So. Carolina 5'9'' 197 4.61p
15 Rashaad Reynolds Oregon St. 5'97/8'' 189 4.51
16 E.J. Gaines Missouri 5'10'' 190 4.44
17 Antone Exum Va. Tech 5'115/8'' 213 4.54p
18 Aaron Colvin Oklahoma 5'11'' 177 4.51e
19 Terrance Mitchell Oregon 5'111/8'' 192 4.56p
20 Ross Cockrell Duke 6'0'' 191 4.48p
21 Dontae Johnson N.C. State 6'21/8'' 200 4.45
22 Chris Davis Auburn 5'10'' 203 4.56p
23 Phillip Gaines Rice 6'03/8'' 193 4.38
24 Deion Belue Alabama 5'11'' 182 4.51p
25 Nevin Lawson Utah St. 5'91/2'' 190 4.48
26 Walt Aikens Liberty 6'1'' 205 4.47p
27 Andre Hal Vanderbilt 5'103/8'' 188 4.59
28 Ricardo Allen Purdue 5'91/8'' 187 4.48p
29 Kendall James Maine 5'101/2'' 180 4.41p
30 Bene Benwikere San Jose St. 5'103/4'' 195 4.63
31 Bennett Jackson Notre Dame 5'117/8'' 195 4.42p ˅ ˅ ˅
32 Lavelle Westbrooks Ga. Southern 5'111/2'' 186 4.63
33 Travis Carrie Ohio 6'0'' 206 4.48p
34 Carrington Byndom Texas 5'11'' 177 4.33p
35 Marcus Williams No. Dakota St. 5'11'' 197 4.59p
36 Shaquille Richardson Arizona 6'01/8'' 194 4.44p ˄ ˄ ˄
37 Brandon Dixon N.W. Missouri St. 5'111/2'' 203 4.41
38 Dexter McDougle Maryland 5'10'' 196 4.46p
39 Ciante Evans Nebraska 5'10'' 190 4.59p
40 Jabari Price No. Carolina 5'105/8'' 200 4.45
41 Keith Reaser Florida Atlantic 5'10'' 189 4.43e
42 Charles Sawyer Ole Miss 5'10'' 178 4.56p
43 Osahon Irabor Arizona St. 5'11'' 186 4.71p
44 Demetri Goodson Baylor 5'11'' 194 4.52 ˅ ˅ ˅
45 Todd Washington S.E. Louisiana 5'11'' 196 4.69p
46 Keon Lyn Syracuse 6'1'' 201 4.46e
47 Jimmy Legree So. Carolina 5'11'' 187 4.52e
48 Sammy Seamster Mid. Tenn. St. 6'01/4'' 198 4.44p
49 Kameron Jackson California 5'9'' 175 4.50p

Safeties
Name College Height Weight 40-Yd. Trending

1 Hasean Clinton-Dix Alabama 6'13/8'' 208 4.58
2 Calvin Pryor Louisville 5'111/8'' 207 4.58
3 Deone Bucannon Washington St. 6'1'' 211 4.49
4 Jimmie Ward No. Illinois 5'11'' 193 4.48p
5 Terrance Brooks Florida St. 5'107/8'' 198 4.42
6 Craig Loston LSU 6'05/8'' 217 4.65
7 Dion Bailey USC 5'113/4'' 201 4.66
8 Ahmad Dixon Baylor 6'0'' 212 4.49p
9 Marqueston Huff Wyoming 5'111/8'' 196 4.49
10 Ed Reynolds Stanford 6'1'' 207 4.52p ˅ ˅ ˅
11 Brock Vereen Minnesota 5'115/8'' 199 4.47 ˄ ˄ ˄
12 Jonathan Dowling W. Kentucky 6'23/4'' 190 4.52
13 Dezmen Southward Wisconsin 6'0'' 211 4.40p
14 Isaiah Lewis Michigan St. 5'97/8'' 211 4.60
15 Vinnie Sunseri Alabama 5'11'' 210 4.50p
16 Kenny Ladler Vanderbilt 6'01/8'' 207 4.62p
17 Tre Boston No. Carolina 5'115/8'' 204 4.59
18 Alden Darby Arizona St. 5'11'' 195 4.65p
19 Jemea Thomas Ga. Tech 5'91/4'' 192 4.55
20 Daniel Sorensen BYU 6'13/8'' 205 4.57p
21 Nat Berhe San Diego St. 5'101/2'' 193 4.56p
22 Christian Bryant Ohio St. 5'9'' 193 4.54e
23 Mo Alexander Utah St. 6'11/4'' 220 4.54
24 Ty Zimmerman Kansas St. 6'1'' 204 4.57e
25 Sean Parker Washington 5'10'' 195 4.54e
26 Avery Patterson Oregon 5'9'' 190 4.54p
27 Hakeem Smith Louisville 6'1'' 180 4.77p ˅ ˅ ˅
28 Nickoe Whitley Mississippi St. 6'0'' 205 4.59e
29 C.J. Barnett Ohio St. 6'0'' 205 4.63p
30 Isaiah Newsome La.-Monroe 5'11'' 200 4.58e
31 Daytawion Lowe Oklahoma St. 6'0'' 196 4.45p ˅ ˅ ˅
32 Pierre Warren Jacksonville St. 6'1'' 202 4.65p
33 Darwin Cook W. Virginia 5'11'' 203 4.47p
34 Brian Jackson Oregon 5'10'' 197 4.60p
35 Richard Spencer UTEP 6'1'' 215 4.62e ˅ ˅ ˅
36 Jerry "Boo Boo" Gates Bowling Green 5'11'' 219 4.56p
37 Jeremy Deering Rutgers 6'1'' 200 4.41p
38 Jacques Washington Iowa St. 6'0'' 220 4.64p
39 A.J. Marshall Wake Forest 5'11'' 197 4.66p
40 Tre Porter Texas Tech 5'11'' 205 4.47p
41 Parker Orms Colorado 5'11'' 190 4.58p
42 Mark Joyce So. Florida 5'10'' 195 4.48p

Kicker
Name College Height Weight 40-Yd. Trending

1 Chris Boswell Rice 6'2'' 185 ˄ ˄ ˄
2 Cairo Santos Tulane 5'8'' 164
3 Anthony Fera Texas 6'1'' 211 ˅ ˅ ˅
4 Zach Hocker Arkansas 6'0'' 189
5 Cody Parkey Auburn 6'0'' 190
6 Chandler Catanzaro Clemson 6'1'' 200
7 Jeff Budzien Northwestern 5'11'' 175
8 Nate Freese Boston College 5'11'' 192 ˄ ˄ ˄
9 Vincenzo D'Amato California 6'1'' 205
10 Mike Meyer Iowa 6'2'' 190

Punter
Name College Height Weight 40-Yd. Trending

1 Pat O'Donnell Miami 6'4'' 220 4.64 ˄ ˄ ˄
2 Tom Hornsey Memphis 6'3'' 221 ˄ ˄ ˄
3 Richie Leone Houston 6'3'' 211
4 Cody Mandell Alabama 6'2'' 216 ˄ ˄ ˄
5 Tyler Campbell Ole Miss 6'2'' 230
6 Steven Clark Auburn 6'5'' 231
7 Kirby Van Der Kamp Iowa St. 6'3'' 211 ˅ ˅ ˅
8 Matt Yoklic Pittsburgh 6'3'' 220
9 Cody Webster Purdue 6'1'' 205
10 Bobby Wenzig Alabama St. 6'1'' 180
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

505 players for 256 picks. I trimmed this most recent version down by about 35 players so there will definitely be UDFAs that are not on the offensive and defensive lists herein.

I'll post one final version within a week of the draft to reflect trending players (up, down, etc.).

I will also "Ravenize" the list as well meaning I'll bump certain players upward that are likely to better fit the Ravens schematically.

Less than 25 days to go, Gentlemen!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

db is going to freak out when he sees Justin Gilbert rated as the top corner Laughing

And again, nice job on the lists.
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gooselovechild wrote:
db is going to freak out when he sees Justin Gilbert rated as the top corner Laughing

And again, nice job on the lists.

Freak out... I would never.

But yeah, I do disagree with that. Gives up way too much cushion in coverage to still get toasted too often IMO. I think he's definitely below both Dennard and Fuller. Roby had a down year, but I was still more impressed with his 2012 season than anything I've seen from Gilbert on tape. And Verrett... I've yet to watch but hear he reminds some of Webb. I'd be hard pressed to imagine he's inferior to Gilbert as well... That said, many of the people saying Verrett is great also are high on Gilbert... So whatevs... I wouldn't personally target Gilbert unless I was looking to convert him to safety... I could imagine him doing like Michael Griffin and being a nice deep ball safety option with his speed, instincts, and ball skills.

Besides Gilbert, I don't agree with Hasean Clinton-Dix being the top safety option either. I think he's more hype than substance. I see JAG status with him.
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diamondbull424 wrote:
And Verrett... I've yet to watch but hear he reminds some of Webb.


It's the hair.
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I love Gilbert. Fast. Feet. Hips. Closing speed. Hands. Instincts. Dynamic return specialist. A poor-man's Prime Time. (Just an opinion. I've been wrong before. Right, DB?)

I keep going back and forth with Clinton-Dix and Pryor. I think Clinton-Dix has a little better range and is more of a true "center fielder". Pryor will knock your tattoo off. The thought of having Pryor and Elam roaming the defensive backfield for the next decade is enticing. To me, Clinton-Dix and Pryor grade out REALLY close. Tough call.
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I like Gilbert too. His ball skills separate him from the other corners in the draft. If QBs aren't worried about more than an I completion when throwing in your direction, you won't end up much better than Cary Williams.
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wackywabbit wrote:
I like Gilbert too. His ball skills separate him from the other corners in the draft. If QBs aren't worried about more than an I completion when throwing in your direction, you won't end up much better than Cary Williams.


I don't think that's true. It depends on what you're talking about by ball-skills though. Most people I see use it as synonymous with getting interceptions but that's not the whole thing. I see it more as tracking the ball through the air and making plays on the ball when it gets to the target whether that's getting an interception or getting a hand on the ball or in-between the receiver's hands to knock it away. A guy like Cary Williams is at the low end of any way to describe it but I don't think the ball-skills of the players besides Gilbert in this class are at as low a level as Williams either. There's definitely some sort of middle ground.

For what it's worth I don't mind Gilbert being at the top of a cornerback rankings list. He's more upside than substance at this point but at his size with his athleticism and decent cover skills to work with it's obvious why Gilbert has a lot of fans. Outside of Dennard I like Fuller and Verrett too in this class. After those guys there's a bit of a gap that I wouldn't want to bridge before the third round. Roby is too big of a risk for my tastes considering how high he's likely to go.
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coordinator0 wrote:
After those guys there's a bit of a gap that I wouldn't want to bridge before the third round. Roby is too big of a risk for my tastes considering how high he's likely to go.


Roby reminds me a lot of Malcolm Jenkins coming out of OSU, and I think will ultimately have to move to FS just like Jenkins did.

That said, it's really risky to use a top 50 draft pick on a guy to then switch his position. Jenkins made a successful transition, but that doesn't mean Roby will. I agree with you completely about his relative value, but in the unlikely event he was to slide into round 3, he would be mighty tempting, assuming we haven't already drafted a FS prospect.
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gooselovechild wrote:
coordinator0 wrote:
After those guys there's a bit of a gap that I wouldn't want to bridge before the third round. Roby is too big of a risk for my tastes considering how high he's likely to go.


Roby reminds me a lot of Malcolm Jenkins coming out of OSU, and I think will ultimately have to move to FS just like Jenkins did.

That said, it's really risky to use a top 50 draft pick on a guy to then switch his position. Jenkins made a successful transition, but that doesn't mean Roby will. I agree with you completely about his relative value, but in the unlikely event he was to slide into round 3, he would be mighty tempting, assuming we haven't already drafted a FS prospect.

I got that too. I thought Roby would make for a nice FS option with his ability to track the ball and how fast he is. I think his problem at corner is that he gets caught too often with his eyes in the backfield and thus allows the WR to eat him up with nice route running. Put him at safety... and that nullifies his biggest weakness. He's got range, he can make plays on balls, he's athletic, he can hit well... I'd love to play him at safety, but... like you said... changing positions can be difficult for some. That said, I don't see Malcom Jenkins.

As a prospect Jenkins was very technically sound but just didn't look to have the natural athleticism to play corner. He timed faster than what many thought and thus the notion of him potentially being drafted to play corner returned, but the Saints didn't put him there. I thought Jenkins didn't possess the natural explosive ability to have the same range as Roby can. I suppose both are physical corner options, I just think Roby fits better at FS than I thought Jenkins would. I sort of questioned Jenkins transition at the time. Thought his best fit was more as a cover 2 CB option.
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I love Gilbert. Fast. Feet. Hips. Closing speed. Hands. Instincts. Dynamic return specialist. A poor-man's Prime Time. (Just an opinion. I've been wrong before. Right, DB?)

If by poor man's prime time, you mean homeless man's prime time... then... sure. Primetime was a top 5 cover corner in the history of the game, all while being a playmaker on the return... like Ed Reed. Gilbert might be able to snag interceptions and return them with quality vision, but he also isn't nearly on the level of primetime in coverage. Even if he were poor, Primetime could stick better in coverage.

wackywabbit wrote:
I like Gilbert too. His ball skills separate him from the other corners in the draft. If QBs aren't worried about more than an I completion when throwing in your direction, you won't end up much better than Cary Williams.

His ball skills don't separate him from the likes of Dennard and Fuller. Both are corners that can go up and snag interceptions... only both players are gambling a lot less when doing it. Gilbert might have upside, sure. But as it stands, he's not better than Dennard or Fuller IMO. It's much easier to snag interceptions when you aren't sticking to your target like glue.

A QB doesn't need to fear Gilbert when he's playing 10-15 yards off coverage and his hips get turned so easily. I'd argue that Gilbert was less impressive in coverage than Cary Williams... only much more impressive in playmaking ability. Which doesn't make Gilbert anything more than a Samari Rolle type corner for me. Someone that can be abused in coverage but make splash plays that gets him on Sports Center a lot. But hey... if he's the selection, I suppose I'll just have to hope for his "potential" showing itself sooner rather than later. I just see any top 10 QB carving him alive underneath all game long with "safe" passes en route to the endzone.
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diamondbull424 wrote:
If by poor man's prime time, you mean homeless man's prime time... then... sure. Primetime was a top 5 cover corner in the history of the game, all while being a playmaker on the return... like Ed Reed. Gilbert might be able to snag interceptions and return them with quality vision, but he also isn't nearly on the level of primetime in coverage. Even if he were poor, Primetime could stick better in coverage.


There's only one Prime. I don't think I'll ever see a better corner. He wasn't just a shutdown corner, you literally didn't throw to Deion's side of the field when he was in his Prime. So proud he spent his last years with us. That said, please understand that I wasn't comparing Gilbert to Prime. Just saying Gilbert's a playmaker and I like him. And IMHO, he's the best corner in this draft.

It's very interesting what you guys are saying about Roby. I never thought of switching him. Don't know if it would work or not. I remember a lot of teams trying to switch corners to safety after the Rod Woodson experiment was successful. It's not as easy as one might think. Kinda like converting an infielder to being an outfielder. Some guys get it, some guys don't. Some fail miserably.
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