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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Absolutely not, no. Don't need that argument here
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Thoughts Top 30 WR'S of All Time Reply with quote

mdonnelly21 wrote:
Peak, Prime, Career Value & Accomplishments.

#1. Jerry Rice
#2. Randy Moss
#3. Terrell Owens
#4. Calvin Johnson
#5. Michael Irvin
#6. Tory Holt
#7. Marvin Harrison
#8. Isaac Bruce
#9. Chris Carter
#10. Larry Fitzgerald
H/M
#11. Andre Johnson
#12. Steve Smith
#13. James Lofton
#14. Steve Largent
#15. Art Monk
#16. Irving Fryer
#17. Andre Reed
#18. Lance Alworth
#19. Raymond Berry
#20. Fred Biletnikoff
#21. Tim Brown
#22. Reggie Wayne
#23. Hines Ward
#24. Dan Maynard
#25. Sterling Sharpe
#26. Cliff Branch
#27. Jimmy Smith
#28. Antonio Brown
#29. Julio Jones
#30. Chad Johnson


I would remove Irving Fryar, Jimmy Smith, and Chad Johnson from this top 30. Paul Warfield, and other receivers who played in the NFL during the 70s would have had much better stats if they competed in the 1990s+ NFL.
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Jlowe22 wrote:
Well, the truth is GSOT had an ultra rare combination of multiple elite players in their primes. That kinda thing happens rarely. Like 2007 with two arguably GOATs in Brady and Moss. Montana and Rice. Peyton and Harrison/Wayne.

All those have the other held against them in their respective years.
There is absolutely 0 argument for Moss as the GOAT. Carry on.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Thoughts Top 30 WR'S of All Time Reply with quote

mdonnelly21 wrote:
Peak, Prime, Career Value & Accomplishments.

#1. Jerry Rice
#2. Randy Moss
#3. Terrell Owens
#4. Calvin Johnson
#5. Michael Irvin
#6. Tory Holt
#7. Marvin Harrison
#8. Isaac Bruce
#9. Chris Carter
#10. Larry Fitzgerald
H/M
#11. Andre Johnson
#12. Steve Smith
#13. James Lofton
#14. Steve Largent
#15. Art Monk
#16. Irving Fryer
#17. Andre Reed
#18. Lance Alworth
#19. Raymond Berry
#20. Fred Biletnikoff
#21. Tim Brown
#22. Reggie Wayne
#23. Hines Ward
#24. Dan Maynard
#25. Sterling Sharpe
#26. Cliff Branch
#27. Jimmy Smith
#28. Antonio Brown
#29. Julio Jones
#30. Chad Johnson


Intriguing list. Lambeau's Packers were the only early team throwing the ball. Don Hutson should be near the top. Tom Fears and Elroy Hirsch of the LA Rams, Jim Doran of the 1950s Lions along with Gifford and Hornung of the Giants and Packers. Paul Warfield helped the Browns and Dolphins win championships. Idea
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Cris Carter should be 4-5 spots higher on the list
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Cris Carter should be 4-5 spots higher on the list


Agreed. I think he should be jockeying with Terrell Owens for the 3 spot, if anything.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:36 am    Post subject: Re: Thoughts Top 30 WR'S of All Time Reply with quote

My list (Major changes in bold)

#1. Jerry Rice
#2. Randy Moss
#3. Chris Carter
#4. Terrell Owens
#5. Calvin Johnson
#6. Marvin Harrison
#7. Larry Fitzgerald
#8. Torry Holt
#9. Steve Smith
#10. Michael Irvin
#11. Isaac Bruce
#12. Andre Johnson
#13. Steve Largent
#14. James Lofton
#15. Art Monk
#16. Tim Brown
#17. Andre Reed
#18. Lance Alworth
#19. Raymond Berry
#20. Fred Biletnikoff
#21. Wes Welker
#22. Sterling Sharpe
#23. Hines Ward
#24. Dan Maynard
#25. Reggie Wayne
#26. Cliff Branch
#27. Jimmy Smith
#28. Antonio Brown
#29. Julio Jones
#30. Anquan Boldin
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Not gonna lie, I have no idea who Irving Fryar is...
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Not gonna lie, I have no idea who Irving Fryar is...
Dan Marino's favorite target. I believe he started his career as an Eagle if I recall.
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Not gonna lie, I have no idea who Irving Fryar is...
Dan Marino's favorite target. I believe he started his career as an Eagle if I recall.
Patriots, actually. He was a talented deep threat, but really languished on some bad New England teams. Really came on as a Dolphin, but that happens when you pair up a physically talented WR with a HOF QB. He's on the outside of the top 30, maybe a better discussion for a top 50 list. I'd put Brandon Marshall, Mushin Muhammad, Keyshawn Johnson, Rod Smith and Roddy White in the same tier as Fryar - some really good production, but just outside the top 30.

Really surprised Wes Welker isn't mentioned much as others. He basically created a designation for slot WR as something teams now scout for.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Thoughts Top 30 WR'S of All Time Reply with quote

EliteTexan80 wrote:
My list (Major changes in bold)

#1. Jerry Rice
#2. Randy Moss
#3. Chris Carter
#4. Terrell Owens
#5. Calvin Johnson
#6. Marvin Harrison
#7. Larry Fitzgerald
#8. Torry Holt
#9. Steve Smith
#10. Michael Irvin
#11. Isaac Bruce
#12. Andre Johnson
#13. Steve Largent
#14. James Lofton
#15. Art Monk
#16. Tim Brown
#17. Andre Reed
#18. Lance Alworth
#19. Raymond Berry
#20. Fred Biletnikoff
#21. Wes Welker
#22. Sterling Sharpe
#23. Hines Ward
#24. Dan Maynard
#25. Reggie Wayne
#26. Cliff Branch
#27. Jimmy Smith
#28. Antonio Brown
#29. Julio Jones
#30. Anquan Boldin


Iíll admit that Iím young-ish and didnít see much of Carter early in the late 80s, but for the life of me I cannot understand why Cris Carter would be considered on the level of Owens.

After 6 years of sputtering to start his career, Carter entered his prime to the following rankings in receiving yards:

7th, 7th, 7th, 10th, 14th, 21st, 8th, 11th

Not only did he never lead the league in receiving, he never even really came close.

That just isn't something you would expect to see from the number 3 all-time WR.
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Nova wrote:
After 6 years of sputtering to start his career, Carter entered his prime to the following rankings in receiving yards:

7th, 7th, 7th, 10th, 14th, 21st, 8th, 11th

Not only did he never lead the league in receiving, he never even really came close.

That just isn't something you would expect to see from the number 3 all-time WR.


Carter was a chain mover, not necessarily a guy who stretched the field. In the time frames you outlined, here are the rankings he had for receptions:

4th, 1st, 2nd, 5th, 4th, 11th, 5th, 6th

In addition, here are his reception TD rankings for each of thouse season:

5th, 11th, 1st, 5th, 1st, 4th, 1st, 7th

So, if you're limiting your view on WRs to how many yards they got per season, you'd be right - Carter shouldn't be in the top 3 discussion. But if you take a full view, you can see he's absolutely in the discussion.

Part of it is based on actually watching him play - he wasn't a burner, but ran pristine routes and just crushed DBs on double moves. He was an outstanding leaper and was nearly unstoppable on fade routes to the corner. He had that knack to zero in on the ball and won the majority of 50/50 balls thrown his way, just boxed out guys at the point and outworked guys trying to break up the pass.

In essence, he was Larry Fitzgerald before Fitzgerald was...well, Fitzgerald.
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I'm surprised to see Torry Holt so high on some of these list. He was such a great player and put up some stretches over the years, but he was always overshadowed in some ways by Moss, Owens, Harrison, etc. Plus, when I read HoF threads not many people say that Holt should be in.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:14 am    Post subject: Re: Thoughts Top 30 WR'S of All Time Reply with quote

EliteTexan80 wrote:
Nova wrote:
After 6 years of sputtering to start his career, Carter entered his prime to the following rankings in receiving yards:

7th, 7th, 7th, 10th, 14th, 21st, 8th, 11th

Not only did he never lead the league in receiving, he never even really came close.

That just isn't something you would expect to see from the number 3 all-time WR.


Carter was a chain mover, not necessarily a guy who stretched the field. In the time frames you outlined, here are the rankings he had for receptions:

4th, 1st, 2nd, 5th, 4th, 11th, 5th, 6th

In addition, here are his reception TD rankings for each of thouse season:

5th, 11th, 1st, 5th, 1st, 4th, 1st, 7th

So, if you're limiting your view on WRs to how many yards they got per season, you'd be right - Carter shouldn't be in the top 3 discussion. But if you take a full view, you can see he's absolutely in the discussion.

Part of it is based on actually watching him play - he wasn't a burner, but ran pristine routes and just crushed DBs on double moves. He was an outstanding leaper and was nearly unstoppable on fade routes to the corner. He had that knack to zero in on the ball and won the majority of 50/50 balls thrown his way, just boxed out guys at the point and outworked guys trying to break up the pass.

In essence, he was Larry Fitzgerald before Fitzgerald was...well, Fitzgerald.


Exactly! On top of all of that his body control as excellent as he'd routinely make acrobatic catches and was great at those sideline catches keeping his feet in. I also believe he may have best hands to ever play the position.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Thoughts Top 30 WR'S of All Time Reply with quote

Badger75 wrote:
mdonnelly21 wrote:
Peak, Prime, Career Value & Accomplishments.

#1. Jerry Rice
#2. Randy Moss
#3. Terrell Owens
#4. Calvin Johnson
#5. Michael Irvin
#6. Tory Holt
#7. Marvin Harrison
#8. Isaac Bruce
#9. Chris Carter
#10. Larry Fitzgerald
H/M
#11. Andre Johnson
#12. Steve Smith
#13. James Lofton
#14. Steve Largent
#15. Art Monk
#16. Irving Fryer
#17. Andre Reed
#18. Lance Alworth
#19. Raymond Berry
#20. Fred Biletnikoff
#21. Tim Brown
#22. Reggie Wayne
#23. Hines Ward
#24. Dan Maynard
#25. Sterling Sharpe
#26. Cliff Branch
#27. Jimmy Smith
#28. Antonio Brown
#29. Julio Jones
#30. Chad Johnson


Intriguing list. Lambeau's Packers were the only early team throwing the ball. Don Hutson should be near the top. Tom Fears and Elroy Hirsch of the LA Rams, Jim Doran of the 1950s Lions along with Gifford and Hornung of the Giants and Packers. Paul Warfield helped the Browns and Dolphins win championships. Idea


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