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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NFLoldschool wrote:
So now a supposed "Chiefs fan" is jumping on the "let's flame the Chiefs" bandwagon?


I fully respect a man who wishes to say what he thinks about his own team and doesn't sit and talk about making the playoffs all the time, and instead says things as he sees them instead of trying to make everyone else happy. I myself was the same way with Chris Leak @ Florida last year. A lot of people are really not liking the look of the Chiefs right now, and it doesn't in the least bit surprise me that Chiefs fans aren't either.

Just because someone is critical doesn't make them any less of a fan. It just means they are outspoken about changes they feel need to be made to win. There's an easier term for it: "pessimist".

Don't hate on a hater. Let him hate. If the Chiefs make the playoffs, you can just rub it all in his face and tell him how wrong he is. I assure you, guys like that love to be wrong.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK.....this I hope is the very last time I have to post this.

Can someone please get off the "LJ carried the ball over quasi-amount the past 2 years". I swear some of you can not think for yourselves. The only place you heard this from was SportsCenter one night and all of a sudden you are a football Guru.

Everyone looks at LJ's touches, but no one comments on LT's touches the past 2 years. Oh yeah....because LT won the TD title no looks at the fact that he has touched the ball 30 less times than LJ....AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE PLAYOFF's. So because LJ is apparently old man river....LT should be signing up for AARP.

Plese guys....start thinking for yourself instead of getting all your info from ESPN. They try and sometimes they are right....but very very rarely does that happen.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems ridiculous to me that LJ is considered over the hill or near his descent. He hasnt shown any signs at all. He was rarely used his first two seasons coming up and was spelled in 2005 by Holmes. Sounds to me that the Chiefs are just cheap, now that Hunt is gone seems like players are being treated differently/ starting with Trent Green who to me has alot left in the tank. There is no way Huard is anywhere near the Qb he is or will be and I have a hard time believing Croyle is ready.

I believe one of the reasons LJ slipped in the draft was that teams were concerned that it was too easy for him in college, the big holes he ran through much of the time. He didnt take a beating there either.

I would have to agree that LT woudl concern me much more than LJ. I think LJ has 3-4 more very good years.

Im not a Riaders fan but for some reason I can see him in Oakland.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

avoidlloyd wrote:
It seems ridiculous to me that LJ is considered over the hill or near his descent. He hasnt shown any signs at all. He was rarely used his first two seasons coming up and was spelled in 2005 by Holmes. Sounds to me that the Chiefs are just cheap, now that Hunt is gone seems like players are being treated differently/ starting with Trent Green who to me has alot left in the tank. There is no way Huard is anywhere near the Qb he is or will be and I have a hard time believing Croyle is ready.

I believe one of the reasons LJ slipped in the draft was that teams were concerned that it was too easy for him in college, the big holes he ran through much of the time. He didnt take a beating there either.

I would have to agree that LT woudl concern me much more than LJ. I think LJ has 3-4 more very good years.

Im not a Riaders fan but for some reason I can see him in Oakland.


Let me start by saying that it's very refreshing to see someone who isn't on the "LJ has had so many carries that he might as well run his own day care" bandwagon. Your outlook seems to be a rarity recently. There are a few things in your post that are slightly incorrect, so I'll enlighten you. First, LJ spelled Priest in 2005, not the other way around. Priest got 2 possessions, then LJ got 1. At the time, Priest was ten times the short yardage back that LJ was, and he fit our offense better. At the time, we were a "pass to set up the run" type team on offense. Therefore, even though LJ is much faster than Priest, Mr. Holmes was easily productive enough to move the chians. Plus, the fact that Vermeil didn't like LJ that much pushed him to be more loyal to Priest.

As for your "the Chiefs are just cheap" comment, well, frankly, you're right. They are, and always have been. That's Carl Peterson for ya. If you remember, John Tait and his agent got into several screaming matches with plenty of expletives while negotiating with CP. I've never thought of Lamar Hunt's absence being a factor when looking at their roster moves. That might have something to do with it, but I personally don't believe it does. If you ask me, Trent Green's situation was mainly caused by Herm's "obviously, we've got to get younger, obviously" mentality. I also share the opinion that Trent has a lot left in the tank, especially considering that he didn't really get any real playing time until his 5th or 6th year in the league. On the other hand, his cap figure and the drafting of Brodie Croyle forced that situation. Plus, when you have a guy on your roster that threw 11 TD and 1 INT in 8 games on your roster (Damon Huard), it helps ease the pain of losing a guy of Trent's caliber. As for Croyle? Well, we'll see. I'll wait until I see some more playing time until I make any judgements. I will say though, that he looked pretty good in mini camp when I attended. He was actually the most accurate QB that day, and he easily had the best velocity on his throws. I just want to see how he reacts when he's under pressure.

As for LJ going to Oakland? That would never happen. Ever. The Chiefs hate the Raiders, and I mean HATE. H-A-T-E. Hehe. It's a friendly kind of hate, but the only way that would ever happen is if they gave us a Ricky Williams kind of trade in return, plus scrabble and Michael Huff. Laughing At least, that's the only way that I would be able to stomach it anyway. In short, I'm predicting that LJ will miss the first week or two of training camp, then sign a deal that nets him about $60M over 6 years, mainly through extra incentives and roster bonuses. I wouldn't be surprised to see a front loaded contract with LJ though. With CP, most of his deals are backloaded to an extreme, evidenced by Trent Green's $7.2M he was on the books for with us this year, and $7.9M in '08. Since we have the cap room to front load LJ's deal, I would actually be a bit surprised if it's backloaded. That's just my 2 cents.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me ask this to a non-biased party... Is there anything, anything at all, behind the Packers are interested in LJ rumor? Because our running game is in a lot of trouble this year if not.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is some food for thought. The first group is the top ten rushers of all time and their rushing stats from the year were they carried the ball the most and the stats from the following year. The second group is the players that have rushed 400 times in one season. I noted how many great seasons were followed by career highs in rushes. Here are some notes of interest: NOBODY has ever carried the ball 400 times in a season twice,Only three of the players on this list(Dickerson,Payton, and Brown) have rushed for more than 1500 yards in season after setting their career high in carries and only one has done it twice(Brown, who's 305 carry season is the lowest on this list),Marshall Faulk is the only player to have more rushing yards the season after setting a career high in carries and Marshall Faulk is the only one to average more tha five yards a carry after setting a career high in carries.

WALTER PAYTON age:30

CAR RUyd AVG RUtd

1984 chi 381 1684 4.4 11
1985 chi 324 1551 4.8 9

Number of seasons with 1,000+ yards following: 2

Number of seasons with 1,500+ yards follwing: 1

Number of seasons with 10+ rushing TDs following:0


BARRY SANDERS age:30

1998 det 343 1491 4.3 4
1999 (retired)

Number of seasons with 1,000+ yards following: 0

Number of seasons with 1,500+ yards follwing: 0

Number of seasons with 10+ rushing TDs following:0


JIM BROWN age:25

1961 cle 305 1408 4.6 8
1962 cle 230 996 4.3 13

Number of seasons with 1,000+ yards following: 3

Number of seasons with 1,500+ yards follwing: 2

Number of seasons with 10+ rushing TDs following:3


EMMITT SMITH age:26

1995 dal 377 1773 4.7 25
1996 dal 327 1204 3.7 12

Number of seasons with 1,000+ yards following: 6

Number of seasons with 1,500+ yards follwing: 0

Number of seasons with 10+ rushing TDs following:3


CURTIS MARTIN age:31

2004 nyj 371 1697 4.6 12
2005 nyj 220 735 3.3 5

Number of seasons with 1,000+ yards following: 0

Number of seasons with 1,500+ yards follwing: 0

Number of seasons with 10+ rushing TDs following:0


JEROME BETTIS age:28
2000 pit 355 1341 3.8 8
2001 pit 225 1072 4.8 4

Number of seasons with 1,000+ yards following: 4

Number of seasons with 1,500+ yards follwing: 0

Number of seasons with 10+ rushing TDs following:1


ERIC DICKERSON age:26

1986 ram 404 1821 4.5 11
1987 ind 223 1011 4.5 5
1987 ram 60 277 4.6 1

Number of seasons with 1,000+ yards following: 3

Number of seasons with 1,500+ yards follwing: 1

Number of seasons with 10+ rushing TDs following:1


TONY DORSETT age:27

1981 dal 342 1646 4.8 4
1982 (strike season)
1983 dal 289 1321 4.6 8

Number of seasons with 1,000+ yards following: 3

Number of seasons with 1,500+ yards follwing: 0

Number of seasons with 10+ rushing TDs following:0


MARSHALL FAULK age:25

1998 ind 324 1319 4.1 6
1999 stl 253 1381 5.5 7

Number of seasons with 1,000+ yards following: 3

Number of seasons with 1,500+ yards follwing: 0

Number of seasons with 10+ rushing TDs following:3


MARCUS ALLEN age:25

1985 rai 380 1759 4.6 11
1986 rai 208 759 3.6 5

Number of seasons with 1,000+ yards following: 0

Number of seasons with 1,500+ yards follwing: 0

Number of seasons with 10+ rushing TDs following:3


THE 400 RUSH CLUB

Eddie George age:27
2000 ten 403 1509 3.7 14
2001 ten 315 939 3.0 5

Number of seasons with 1,000+ yards following: 2

Number of seasons with 1,500+ yards follwing: 0

Number of seasons with 10+ rushing TDs following:1


ERIC DICKERSON age:26

1986 ram 404 1821 4.5 11
1987 ind 223 1011 4.5 5
1987 ram 60 277 4.6 1

Number of seasons with 1,000+ yards following: 3

Number of seasons with 1,500+ yards follwing: 1

Number of seasons with 10+ rushing TDs following:1



JAMES WILDER age:26

1984 tam 407 1544 3.8 13
1985 tam 365 1300 3.6 10

Number of seasons with 1,000+ yards following: 1

Number of seasons with 1,500+ yards follwing: 0

Number of seasons with 10+ rushing TDs following:1



JAMAL ANDERSON age:26

1998 atl 410 1846 4.5 14
1999 atl 19 59 3.1 0

Number of seasons with 1,000+ yards following: 1

Number of seasons with 1,500+ yards follwing: 0

Number of seasons with 10+ rushing TDs following:0


I don't know if these numbers prove anything, but I know they do give a good reflection of what alot of carries in one season does to a career. Out of the top ten rushers, the five with 370+ carry seasons(Allen,Dickerson,Smith,Martin and Payton) were never the same runner. LT seems to be an exception to this rule.

| Year TM Att Yards Y/A TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+
| 2001 sdg 339 1236 3.6 10 |
| 2002 sdg 372 1683 4.5 14 |
| 2003 sdg 313 1645 5.3 13 |
| 2004 sdg 339 1335 3.9 17 |
| 2005 sdg 339 1462 4.3 18 |
| 2006 sdg 348 1815 5.2 28

Though he has alot of receptions (398), he was fortunate enough to be 23 years old when he set his career high in rushes and I don't think receptions take as much of a toll on a running back's body. His stats are amazing, though. LJ is a little more like Eddie George in his running style and I think he takes more of a beating than LT. That's why he needs the money NOW. 400 rushes is pretty much a curse and he doesn't know how many good seasons he has left if they keep using him this much. I wouldn't sign a deal if I was KC.


| Rushing |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+
| 2003 kan | 6 | 20 85 4.2 1 |
| 2004 kan | 10 | 120 581 4.8 9 |
| 2005 kan | 16 | 336 1750 5.2 20 |
| 2006 kan | 16 | 416 1789 4.3 17 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+
| TOTAL | 48 | 892 4205 4.7 47 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, I spent a lot of time research this. I guess it was a certified thread killer.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great work putting all this together. I'm still on the LJ will do good this year bandwagon. Mostly because of what little he did in his first two years in the league. He's only started 25 career games. And last year he was forced to put the team on his back. With our starting QB(Green) out for the first half of the year and Huard not completely familiar with the first team, LJ took over. And he did it no questions asked. We also didn't have a good backup for most of the year with Michael Bennett being injured. Hell, our backup was Dee Brown if that tells you anything. But with Bennett healthy, Priest coming back, & the addition of draft pick Kolby Smith, LJ's workload will cut down--if he reports.

The news of Priest coming back may be just the jump start LJ's agent needed to get him signed. He should be signed quickly and be out at River Falls reassuring his starting spot. Then again, he could be traded. At this moment, I'm not completely opposed to losing him via trade. If we get a first rounder, second rounder, and a player I'd be all for it. Or if we're lucky, maybe a Ricky Williams/Saints type of deal.
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