05-06 Lineup and Draft, My take.....

PhillyTransplant · Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 296 Location: St. Louis

PhllyFan-
Not bad but a few small things:
liquids right, I doubt we can get Brown without trading up

Jason White would be a bad fit for this offense (not mobile, improvising enough) and if we did draft one he'd probably be the practive squad guy with Hall being the emergency [although I think they'll get a low price veteran and give Hall one more year]

Not sure that we'd sign Bell and move Jones since it took him a little while to learn strongside and they really like him there? Bell's an inside Lb if they sign him its because Trotter's not back

CLewis will probably be back because of Smith's injuries and inconsistency. Clewis has already said he'd consider a pay cut and I think since he's still dependable they'll keep him for one more year unless they're bowled over by an available draft pick.

Don't think they'll resign Simon but if they do they'll certainly not also sign Howard. They'll get one FA (ours or so one else) for the Dline and then draft another one on the first day.

What happened to Pinkston and MItchell? Is the team just going to eat both contracts?

JBlovethosebirds · Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 379

Might go this way ?
Offense

QUARTERBACK
04 = D. McNabb, K. Detmer, J. Blake
05 = D. McNabb, One of the Vets and one rookie [A. Hall ?]
06 = D. McNabb, One of the Vets and one rookie [A. Hall ?]
Comment: Always have a Vet QB backup around who want a ring.

RUNNING BACK
04 = B. Westbrook, D. Levens, R. Mahe
05 = B. Westbrook, 05 RB draftee [2r - 3r], From Note 1, T. Tepeh
06 = B. Westbrook, 05 RB draftee [2r - 3r], From Note 1, T. Tepeh
Note 1: One of the following = McCoo, Buckhalter, Perry, Mahe,
Comment: Looks strong and young to me

WIDE RECEIVER
04 = Owens, Pinkston, Mitchell, Lewis, McMullen
05 = Owens, Pinkston, Lewis, McMullen, 05 WR draftee [1r - 2r]
06 = Owens, Pinkston, Lewis, McMullen, 05 WR draftee [1r - 2r]
Other options for 05
05 = Owens, Pinkston, Lewis, Jenkins, 05 WR draftee [1r - 2r]
05 = Owens, Lewis, McMullen, Jenkins, 05 WR draftee [1r - 2r]
Comment: Fred M talking his way out of town like Welbourn

OFFENSIVE LINE
04 = Thomas, Mayberry, Fraley, Andrews, Runyan
04 = Backups:Hicks, Sciullo, Ephraim, Danilek, Hall,
Clarke, Furio, Allen, Jackson, Strojny

05 = Thomas, Hicks, Fraley, Andrews, Runyan
05 = Backups: Sciullo, Ephraim, Danilek, Hall, Clarke,
Furio, Allen, Jackson, Strojny, 05 Draftee
J. Mayberry depending on the development of the young OL guys.

06 = Thomas, Hicks, Fraley, Sciullo, Andrews
06 = Backups: Ephraim, Danilek, Hall, Clarke, Furio, Allen,
Jackson, Strojny, 05 Draftee, 06 Draftee [1r - 2r]
Comment: Looks good and young and a nice transition from the
older Mayberry & Runyan and Eagles will be ready to replace
Thomas with 06 Draftee in 07.

TIGHT END
04 = C. Lewis, L.J. Smith, M Bartrum
05 = L.J. Smith, C. Lewis, 05 TE Draftee [3r]
06 = L.J. Smith, 05 TE Draftee [3r], 06 TE Draftee [3r]
Comment: Need to find a Long Snapper in 05 - C. Lewis has
been practicing but need long term solution.
This year J Dreessen, Colorada St. is good TE and
he is a long snapper - might be interesting for PSquad

FULLBACK
J. Ritchie if signed or J Parry, and T. Tepeh, backup if healthy
Comment: Hope Tepeh is OK for 05. He can backup FB and
be a big RB when needed.

Defense

DEFENSIVE END
04 = Kearse, McDougle, Burgess, Kalu, Douglas, Green
05 = Kearse,McDougle,Burgess, Kalu, Green, [Douglas if injuries]
06 = Kearse, McDougle, Burgess, Green, 06 DE Draftee [1r - 2r]
Comment: Looks good and young. McDougle is just getting going
and I like Green, good motor

DEFENSIVE TACKLE
04 = Simon, Walker, Rayburn, Thomas, Grasmanis
05 = Walker, Rayburn, Thomas, 05 DT Draftee [1r -2r], Grasmanis
06 = Walker, Rayburn, 05 DT Draftee [1r -2r], 06 DT Draftee [1r - 2r], H. Thomas or P.Grasmanis or FA or later round 06 DT
Comment: Looks good and young by 06.

LINEBACKER
04 = Trotter, Simoneau, Jones, Reese, Adams, Wayne, Labinjo
05 = Trotter,Simoneau,Jones,Adams,Short,Labinjo, 05 LB Draftee[4r] 06 = Trotter,Simoneau,Jones,Adams,Short,Labinjo, 05 LB Draftee[4r] Comment: Trotter makes this group work and he is only 27. We should sign him for 3 or 4 yrs

DEFENSIVE BACK
04 = Brown, Sheppard, Hood, Ware, Wynn,
05 = Brown, Sheppard, Hood, Ware, Wynn, 05 CB Draftee 3r
06 = Brown, Sheppard, Hood, Ware, 05 CB Draftee, D. Wynn,
Comment: Looks good and young.
Wynn is good dime and very good PReturner but short
Ware and 05 CB Draftee = taller CB if needed in certain matchups

SAFTEIES
04 = M. Lewis, B. Dawkins, Q. Mikell, J.R. Reed
05 = M. Lewis, B. Dawkins, J.R. Reed, M. Ware
06 = M. Lewis, J.R. Reed, M. Ware, 06 S Draftee
Comment: Reed or Ware replace Hawk in 06 maybe 07.
Very Important to sign Lewis long term.

SPECIAL TEAM
04 = Akers, Kicker --- Bartrum, Long Snapper --- Johnson, Punter
05 = Akers, Kicker --- C. Lewis, Long Snapper --- Johnson, Punter
06 = Akers, Kicker --- Dreessen, Long Snapper --- Johnson, Punter
Comment: This year J Dreessen, Colorada St. is good TE & a long snapper might be interesting for PSquad to develop for the future. Johnson needs to be signed past 05

Practice Squad filled by Undrafted FA or late round Draft picks.
Get those sleepers ! Area to back up are QB, WR, DL, LB, OL, RB

And as always hide some OL and others on IR

Draftee in 05
1st = WR - White or Williamson.
This is a passing team and WR needs help.
F. Mitchell plans on talking himself out of town like Welbourn
2a = DT - Castillo or Hawthorne
2b = RB - Morency or Fason
kc3 = TE - Dreessen who is also long snapper
3b = CB - Bartell
4a = ILB - Grigsby might be able to also play OLB [eagles pick]
4b = OLB - Pettway might be able to also play ILB [Troy V pick ?]
4c = OL - Pears, Petitti, Alabi, Young or Mayes [Bobby T pick ?]
4d = QB for PSquad = Washington or Jones [Duce S pick ?]
4e = WR or RB - Reyes rb or Madison wr [Carlos E pick ?]
5 thru 7 best players available for PSquad

Also, if Eagles have this many 4th round picks then they
can use some of them to move their top 5 picks up a little higher

FA market is thin and over priced this year.
I would stay away from it and use monies to sign:
Trotter, Westbrook, Lewis, Hood, Scuillo, Burgess, Johnson

Howard

PhillyTransplant · Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 296 Location: St. Louis

If I understand it right, you can't trade compensatory picks. If anything, they could make the pick then trade that player or they could use their "normal" picks to trade up (which I think AR will do because in a sense he has too many picks with the roster this well set.

JBlovethosebirds · Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 379

[If I understand it right, you can't trade compensatory picks. If anything, they could make the pick then trade that player or they could use their "normal" picks to trade up (which I think AR will do because in a sense he has too many picks with the roster this well set.]

*Sorry, when I said 'use them' I meant their 4th, two 5ths, 6th, 7th
even their late 3rd if it was for value to move up.*

PhillyTransplant · Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 296 Location: St. Louis

FIgured that's what you meant about trading up which I definately agreed upon (we don't need that many players so we'll consolidate some picks to move them up or to next year).

Also, I think you're right about the FA. If they do anything big it's because they lost somebody that we don't expect (Trotter specifically). But don't be surprised if you see a smaller signing(s) to replace Grasmanis, Allen, etc.. But they'll probably wait to see how the drat and camp goes and whos cut for cap purposes. The other thing that might be in the works is signing/trading for a more consistent deep threat but that probably means 2 if not 3 of Mitchell, Pinkston and McMullen are gone.

from our FA, WEstbrook and LEwis are RFA who will be matched but one way or another both will have longterm deals by this time next year. Trotter should come back he fits our system and solidifies against the run. Adams or Reese should be back to lead ST and back-up at LB. Johnson will be resigned (I thought he has one more year anyway). Hood and Scuillo probably (are they restricted or not) and Burgess will be dictated by draft/FA but more importantly how he plays these last two games.

wynalda · Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Posts: 68

oh yeah fred x has no trade value either.....with the no touchy the wr rule change i believe the eagles should pursue speed at wr either through fa ( givens randle el etc. ) or players that may be cap problems...mason titans or the draft...then speed depth at rb and finally continue the ol rebuilding which they started in the 04 draft....and a te would step right in and get time...also lets consider switching a strength ( dbs ) for a need wr something like lewis or brown for randle el or givens and some draft picks to even it out. i am hearing its a good draft for corners and only so so for wrs

PhillyTransplant · Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 296 Location: St. Louis

Neither MLewis nor Brown are going anywhere, the whole defense falls apart without a secondary that can play. Freddie and Now possibly even Pinkston have some trade value thanks to how they've done the past two weeks.
Our speed isn't too bad at WR(and what's with your obession with speed every single one of your posts are about that, we need guys who can think and play with speed, etc.) considering GLewis and Jenkins - look for him to replace McMullen as of training camp. I agree that the draft isn't real deep but the FA market is for good deep threats (Muhammed, TJ, Givens, etc.- although Randle El may be a stretch) that we can get without busting the cap just not for #1s. The only way they should draft 1st day here is to move up and get Williams without giving up the Miami pick (I know its a stretch to consider but I think we have more important things to do anyway).

liquid · Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:15 am Post subject:

Wynalda,

I think you are smoking something. We should not get rid of any of our young dbs. Brown, Lewis and Lito are all pro bowl caliber players. Look at Green Bay how they got sliced and diced with having al harris as their number one corner.

also, don't give me Todd Pinkston as having any trade value. He has none. Maybe a 5th like they got for Thrash. But a 5th isn't anything. Freddie? He's an UFA after next year. What kind of value could he have?

We finally have a solid young core of DBs i.e. Lewis (24), Brown (25) and Lito (23) and you want to trade one. We still could use a big hitting safety to replace Dawkins. I'm still not sold on Matt Ware being that guy.

Hood is a great 3rd corner. We need a 4th corner. What happens if Brown or Lito get injured?

Need a DT to replace Simon

Need another DE to rotate with Kearse, Kalu and McDougle. I doubt that Hugh Douglas will be back. Burgess will depend on the UFA offers he gets from other teams. I'm sure he wants to get his payday since he was only a 3rd round pick.

Linebacker - I think Sim and Nate Wayne are gone. Will be hard to sign Keith Adams b/c he's going to get more than he's worth. Can you believe that Dallas actually released him and we picked him up on a waiver claim?

OL - We need a guy to eventually replace Tra Thomas, but more pressing a guy to start at Guard for now or be a backup at any OL position if Hicks and Andrews start at guard. Sculio is decent, but only having one solid backup is like putting a gun in the chamber and spinning the wheel.

RB - We really need a running back to compliment Westbrook. What if he had gotten injured? It would be game over right now.

FB - Who cares?

TE - We should try and get a guy if there is one in like the third round. Chad Lewis wont be around for that much longer. If nobody is around that is decent then get a guy in the draft in '06.

WR - If we can get a decent guy that turns into Chris Chambers in the late first or early second I'd be estatic. If Mike Williams were around at 12-15 I'd seriously consider trading up to grab him. Having him and T.O. would be scary.

K - I think we should spend a first rounder on a kicker. David Akers isn't getting any younger! J/K I think we are set here for a while.

Let's just hope that Tom Heckert stays around for a long time and that he is given the position of co-GM with Andy Reid in a couple of years. He's only 37 and as long as he stays around with Reid we should be stocked with talent.
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liquid · Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:18 am Post subject:

Oh and if Sim isn't gone it's going to be out of loyalty or too big a cap hit. Sim and Wayne both have two years left on their contracts and Banner doesn't like to have any dead money.
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liquid · Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:23 am Post subject:

One more thing...

Who are we to say that the draft isn't really deep. Maybe not at the top, but look at the Eagles track record of drafting

Brown and Lewis late second round

Burgess - 3rd

Buckhalter -4th

Westbrook - 3rd

those are some pretty good players in the late second to 4th rounds.

Remember that Burgess had like 8 sacks his rookie year. I'm sure Heckert has a bead on some steals in the third and fourth rounds. I think we will have like a total of 6 picks in those rounds too after we get the suplimentary picks for losing vincent, staley and B. Taylor. Give Heckert 7 picks in the first 4 rounds (lots of bullets) and watch him plug some holes and build our depth. Let's have faith in our talent evaluators, but not give away or defensive backs for some worthless wide receiver. Remember Jim Johnson's schemes don't work with Al Harris types or don't you remember?
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TomBrady12 · Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 7 Location: Boston, MA

Are you serious? Do you think any team in the Top Ten is going to take your "Alligator Arms" wide receiver Todd Pinkston along with a few picks to trade down. You must be delusional. If the Eagles were, for arguments sake, drafting at No. 5 in the 2005 Draft -- would you be happy if Reid traded the pick to the Seahawks for Bobby Engram and two picks?

By the way, Congrats Eagles fans. Super Bowl XXXIX should be a great game, although I do see my Patriots coming out on top. Look at it this way, your team will be in the history books -- along with the Rams and Panthers -- as the victims on the Patriots "Drive to Dynasty." I am a McNabb, Dawkins, and Corey simon fan though -- see you in JAX.

TomBrady12 · Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 7 Location: Boston, MA

that above rant was aimed mostly at superbowleagles

PhillyFan · Joined: 09 Dec 2004 Posts: 237

number five · Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 4

The Pinkston(aka T rex) hating is obviously clouding peoples judgement...

WR POSIBILITIES...
Mike Williams doesnt fit w/ TO, he wouldn't play Pinky or Fredexs spot.

I doubt a WR is drafted till the 3-5 rnd, although Edwards, Williamson, Clayton might be an upgrade and fit w/ TO.

The great thing about this draft is that its a BUYERS market ... the eagles have the points to trade picks to #10-15 in a regular draft, but could easily get higher.

btw--- Pinkston does have value --- able to stretch the field, 3rd in YPC/ Also he has a favorable contract, but I doubt AR wants to trade him.

There is NO WAY the eagles will bring in a FA WR, best case Edwards, Williamson, or Clayton are picked. I'd rather see Edwards or a top OL/DL.

Whether you like it or not the WRs will be Pinky, Glewis, TO, McMullen, Jenkins. Brackens(on PS).

lastdodo · Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 59

The only way the eagles will bring in a free agent WR is if he already knows the offence. Otherwise he will not really be effective until at least mid-season, and veterans don't like that. You have to remember that as a free agent, the player gets to chose. Unless we just ridiculously overpay, they are going to go somewhere else where they can play immediately.

The only guy who we might look at that is available is Donald Driver if we want someone to push Pinky/Lewis. More likely we will see TO and pinky starting, and Lewis in the slot. If we grab a WR, he might get some plays, but unless someone like Braylon Edwards falls to where he is a bargain, don't expect any real wr help.