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EliteTexan80
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| titans0021 wrote: | | PAtexansFAN99 wrote: | Andre Johnson
Kevin Walter
Jacoby Jones
Steve Slaton
Ryan Moats
James Casey
Schaub will find a way to score points... |
I'm sorry but one good game doesn't make Ryan Moats a legitimate scoring threat; Slaton has been absolutely atrocious this year; Jacoby Jones has nine catches this year; James Casey is a rookie tight end with two catches this year, and Kevin Walter has had one game of over 45 yards and has scored once this season.
Owen Daniels has more touchdowns, yards (receiving or rushing), and catches than anybody on this list outside of AJ. Hell, if you are to combine Casey's, Jones', Moats (rushing) and Walter's yardage you barely have 100 more yards than OD had.
Let's not downplay this loss. |
While I am not one of those who is going to say that this offense won't be affected...I will say that no offense circles the wagons quite like the Houston Texans. For all of the things that we criticize Gary Kubiak and Kyle Shanahan for, the one thing that they CAN be counted on is developing a passing game in lieu of certain key players missing extended time.
Let's remember...two years ago, the Texans had a stretch of 8 games in which Andre Johnson was out with a knee injury. What did the Texans offense do? They continued to put up points.
Now, that's Andre Johnson we're talkin about. Owen Daniels is a great TE (perhaps top 3) but to lose Johnson, arguably the most dominant WR in the NFL...well, that's 10x the hit that OD is. Yet, the Texans leaned on the combo of OD, Kevin Walter and Andre Davis to make due.
I expect this Texans team to do the same...with WR Jacoby Jones being the one who benefits from this the most. Jones has been steadily improving as a WR for this team, catching some big passes for this team early on in the season and being a competent piece of this O. Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter will probably get some additional looks as well, but look for Jacoby to be the one who gets that mid to deep middle work that Daniels used to get for us.
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Jabba Da Brunk
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| Marco79 wrote: | | crunk-colt wrote: | | kenney wrote: | | ianlewis16 wrote: | | ElReyDeLosReyes wrote: | And this now hurts my fantasy team.  |
This.
This sucks for Houston, i really thought they had a chance to go far, but this hurts them alot. |
No it doesn't. |
ummmm yeah it does. |
Mmmm No it doesn't. It hurts us, but not a lot. |
Yes this hurts a lot. Losing a guy on pace for over 1,000 yards and over 10 TDs will hurt an offense a lot. Come on now, sure we might have the pieces to replace him, but right now we have no idea. |
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titans0021
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While I am not one of those who is going to say that this offense won't be affected...I will say that no offense circles the wagons quite like the Houston Texans. For all of the things that we criticize Gary Kubiak and Kyle Shanahan for, the one thing that they CAN be counted on is developing a passing game in lieu of certain key players missing extended time.
Let's remember...two years ago, the Texans had a stretch of 8 games in which Andre Johnson was out with a knee injury. What did the Texans offense do? They continued to put up points.
Now, that's Andre Johnson we're talkin about. Owen Daniels is a great TE (perhaps top 3) but to lose Johnson, arguably the most dominant WR in the NFL...well, that's 10x the hit that OD is. Yet, the Texans leaned on the combo of OD, Kevin Walter and Andre Davis to make due.
I expect this Texans team to do the same...with WR Jacoby Jones being the one who benefits from this the most. Jones has been steadily improving as a WR for this team, catching some big passes for this team early on in the season and being a competent piece of this O. Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter will probably get some additional looks as well, but look for Jacoby to be the one who gets that mid to deep middle work that Daniels used to get for us. |
Actually, AJ was out seven games in 2007, and in those games the Texans went 2-5. During that span, Matt Schaub threw two touchdown passes and six interceptions and had one three hundred yard game. I could be wrong, players like Casey and Jones could easily step up, I certainly haven't watched them enough to guarantee otherwise, however, losing the production that Daniels was giving you, and attempting to replace it with players who have proven very little as NFL receivers (minus Walter) is far from comforting if I'm a Texans fan (titans0021 shudders at that thought).
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Jaytrajik
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| titans0021 wrote: | | PAtexansFAN99 wrote: | Andre Johnson
Kevin Walter
Jacoby Jones
Steve Slaton
Ryan Moats
James Casey
Schaub will find a way to score points... |
I'm sorry but one good game doesn't make Ryan Moats a legitimate scoring threat; Slaton has been absolutely atrocious this year; Jacoby Jones has nine catches this year; James Casey is a rookie tight end with two catches this year, and Kevin Walter has had one game of over 45 yards and has scored once this season.
Owen Daniels has more touchdowns, yards (receiving or rushing), and catches than anybody on this list outside of AJ. Hell, if you are to combine Casey's, Jones', Moats (rushing) and Walter's yardage you barely have 100 more yards than OD had.
Let's not downplay this loss. |
That is a horrible way to evaluate players. OD was getting a lion's share of the touches which enabled him to rack up that type of yardage. Aside from Casey and probably Moats, everybody else has proven that they can be reliable as well when thrusted into a position to succeed. With OD out it will only allow someone else to step up and make plays.
I would also add Anderson to the mix as a viable option
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titans0021
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Wait, so looking at a player's performance over the course of their career is a horrible way to evaluate them? James Casey has two career receptions, Jacoby Jones has 27, Andre Davis has 17 in the last two years and David Anderson had 19 catches last season, which was a career high. Outside of Slaton and Walter, which one of these players have ever proven that they are reliable? And hell, Slaton had one good year and has been awful this season, so I'm not sure he can be counted on. Everything could work out in Houston, but let's stop acting as though it's a given. You're relying on players who have proven nothing to replace a top five tight end.
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Jabba Da Brunk
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| titans0021 wrote: | | Wait, so looking at a player's performance over the course of their career is a horrible way to evaluate them? James Casey has two career receptions, Jacoby Jones has 27, Andre Davis has 17 in the last two years and David Anderson had 19 catches last season, which was a career high. Outside of Slaton and Walter, which one of these players have ever proven that they are reliable? And hell, Slaton had one good year and has been awful this season, so I'm not sure he can be counted on. Everything could work out in Houston, but let's stop acting as though it's a given. You're relying on players who have proven nothing to replace a top five tight end. |
Slaton hasn't been awful this season, although his fumbling has. To be honest he's been a pretty big part of the offense, over 650 total yards and 5 TDs. |
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titans0021
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| Jabba Da Brunk wrote: | | titans0021 wrote: | | Wait, so looking at a player's performance over the course of their career is a horrible way to evaluate them? James Casey has two career receptions, Jacoby Jones has 27, Andre Davis has 17 in the last two years and David Anderson had 19 catches last season, which was a career high. Outside of Slaton and Walter, which one of these players have ever proven that they are reliable? And hell, Slaton had one good year and has been awful this season, so I'm not sure he can be counted on. Everything could work out in Houston, but let's stop acting as though it's a given. You're relying on players who have proven nothing to replace a top five tight end. |
Slaton hasn't been awful this season, although his fumbling has. To be honest he's been a pretty big part of the offense, over 650 total yards and 5 TDs. |
He's averaged over 3.8 yards per carry in one game this season. As a receiver, he's been fine, as a running back, he has been incredibly unimpressive. The seven fumbles only adds to the disappointment.
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Jabba Da Brunk
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| titans0021 wrote: | | Jabba Da Brunk wrote: | | titans0021 wrote: | | Wait, so looking at a player's performance over the course of their career is a horrible way to evaluate them? James Casey has two career receptions, Jacoby Jones has 27, Andre Davis has 17 in the last two years and David Anderson had 19 catches last season, which was a career high. Outside of Slaton and Walter, which one of these players have ever proven that they are reliable? And hell, Slaton had one good year and has been awful this season, so I'm not sure he can be counted on. Everything could work out in Houston, but let's stop acting as though it's a given. You're relying on players who have proven nothing to replace a top five tight end. |
Slaton hasn't been awful this season, although his fumbling has. To be honest he's been a pretty big part of the offense, over 650 total yards and 5 TDs. |
He's averaged over 3.8 yards per carry in one game this season. As a receiver, he's been fine, as a running back, he has been incredibly unimpressive. The seven fumbles only adds to the disappointment. |
You're right, dissapointing would be the way to describe him this year. But, not awful. |
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Jaytrajik
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| titans0021 wrote: | | Wait, so looking at a player's performance over the course of their career is a horrible way to evaluate them? James Casey has two career receptions, Jacoby Jones has 27, Andre Davis has 17 in the last two years and David Anderson had 19 catches last season, which was a career high. Outside of Slaton and Walter, which one of these players have ever proven that they are reliable? And hell, Slaton had one good year and has been awful this season, so I'm not sure he can be counted on. Everything could work out in Houston, but let's stop acting as though it's a given. You're relying on players who have proven nothing to replace a top five tight end. |
Now you conveniently switch to "over the course of their career". Just a minute ago you were pointing out their production this year in comparison to OD's which of course is skewed because of the massive amount of targets OD receives. Jacoby is always one play away from busting one wide open and David Anderson has become a reliable safety valve for schaub when other key players are drawing coverage. I'm sure there will be some drop off but this offense isn't predicated on getting 1 player the ball. Just last week Schaub shared the ball judiciously when OD went out and the offense worked without a hitch.
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Saintsboy318
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I like daniels, what a blow.
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EliteTexan80
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| titans0021 wrote: | | EliteTexan80 wrote: |
While I am not one of those who is going to say that this offense won't be affected...I will say that no offense circles the wagons quite like the Houston Texans. For all of the things that we criticize Gary Kubiak and Kyle Shanahan for, the one thing that they CAN be counted on is developing a passing game in lieu of certain key players missing extended time.
Let's remember...two years ago, the Texans had a stretch of 8 games in which Andre Johnson was out with a knee injury. What did the Texans offense do? They continued to put up points.
Now, that's Andre Johnson we're talkin about. Owen Daniels is a great TE (perhaps top 3) but to lose Johnson, arguably the most dominant WR in the NFL...well, that's 10x the hit that OD is. Yet, the Texans leaned on the combo of OD, Kevin Walter and Andre Davis to make due.
I expect this Texans team to do the same...with WR Jacoby Jones being the one who benefits from this the most. Jones has been steadily improving as a WR for this team, catching some big passes for this team early on in the season and being a competent piece of this O. Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter will probably get some additional looks as well, but look for Jacoby to be the one who gets that mid to deep middle work that Daniels used to get for us. |
Actually, AJ was out seven games in 2007, and in those games the Texans went 2-5. During that span, Matt Schaub threw two touchdown passes and six interceptions and had one three hundred yard game. I could be wrong, players like Casey and Jones could easily step up, I certainly haven't watched them enough to guarantee otherwise, however, losing the production that Daniels was giving you, and attempting to replace it with players who have proven very little as NFL receivers (minus Walter) is far from comforting if I'm a Texans fan (titans0021 shudders at that thought). |
In that 2-5 stretch, the Texans defense wasn't 1/100th of where it is now and our RB rotation consisted of Ahman Green, Darius Walker and Ron Dayne. The Texans weren't world beaters without AJ and rightfully so...but the passing game was somewhat adept in that timeframe.
My point of illustration was that the Texans did pull off some wins...now, with a lesser (yet important) component of the offense gone, a revamped defense and som sort of run game, the Texans are in much better position to absorb this loss and still perform well enough to get a W.
Again, I'm not saying that it WON'T hurt...but to think that the Texans are dead to rights with this injury is a bit farfetched. In fact, this might work out as a GOOD thing in the long terms plans of the team. This allows the Texans to evaluate two rookie TEs and see how they fit into the grand scheme of things, as well as drastically bring down the price of Daniels next offseason, who is slated to hit the FA market. Daniels was asking to be paid amongst the top 5 TEs in the NFL...now with this injury (his 4th major knee injury, mind you) that asking price has no choice but to creep south.
It's a bad way to look at things, yes...but it is a business. OD was offered a hefty raise in the offseason, rejected it, wanted Kellen Winslow II money, was on his way to get said money...and now he blew out his knee. I feel sorry for the guy (well, as sorry as I can feel for someone who makes as much a game as I do in a year) but it is what it is.
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amazingandre
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| titans0021 wrote: | | Jabba Da Brunk wrote: | | titans0021 wrote: | | Wait, so looking at a player's performance over the course of their career is a horrible way to evaluate them? James Casey has two career receptions, Jacoby Jones has 27, Andre Davis has 17 in the last two years and David Anderson had 19 catches last season, which was a career high. Outside of Slaton and Walter, which one of these players have ever proven that they are reliable? And hell, Slaton had one good year and has been awful this season, so I'm not sure he can be counted on. Everything could work out in Houston, but let's stop acting as though it's a given. You're relying on players who have proven nothing to replace a top five tight end. |
Slaton hasn't been awful this season, although his fumbling has. To be honest he's been a pretty big part of the offense, over 650 total yards and 5 TDs. |
He's averaged over 3.8 yards per carry in one game this season. As a receiver, he's been fine, as a running back, he has been incredibly unimpressive. The seven fumbles only adds to the disappointment. |
 Seems to me we did JUST FINE last week after OD went down....Do not sleep on Joel Dreessen who for some reason is the TE in the game when we're in the red zone anyway. Maybe you should worry about your own team? Just a thought....
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titans0021
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| amazingandre wrote: | | titans0021 wrote: | | Jabba Da Brunk wrote: | | titans0021 wrote: | | Wait, so looking at a player's performance over the course of their career is a horrible way to evaluate them? James Casey has two career receptions, Jacoby Jones has 27, Andre Davis has 17 in the last two years and David Anderson had 19 catches last season, which was a career high. Outside of Slaton and Walter, which one of these players have ever proven that they are reliable? And hell, Slaton had one good year and has been awful this season, so I'm not sure he can be counted on. Everything could work out in Houston, but let's stop acting as though it's a given. You're relying on players who have proven nothing to replace a top five tight end. |
Slaton hasn't been awful this season, although his fumbling has. To be honest he's been a pretty big part of the offense, over 650 total yards and 5 TDs. |
He's averaged over 3.8 yards per carry in one game this season. As a receiver, he's been fine, as a running back, he has been incredibly unimpressive. The seven fumbles only adds to the disappointment. |
Seems to me we did JUST FINE last week after OD went down....Do not sleep on Joel Dreessen who for some reason is the TE in the game when we're in the red zone anyway. Maybe you should worry about your own team? Just a thought.... |
As though I can only think about only my team...
You did fine against the Bills, you know, that team that lost to Cleveland, let's see how you do in your next two games (and yes, I'm including Tennessee as a test).
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Jabba Da Brunk
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| titans0021 wrote: | | amazingandre wrote: | | titans0021 wrote: | | Jabba Da Brunk wrote: | | titans0021 wrote: | | Wait, so looking at a player's performance over the course of their career is a horrible way to evaluate them? James Casey has two career receptions, Jacoby Jones has 27, Andre Davis has 17 in the last two years and David Anderson had 19 catches last season, which was a career high. Outside of Slaton and Walter, which one of these players have ever proven that they are reliable? And hell, Slaton had one good year and has been awful this season, so I'm not sure he can be counted on. Everything could work out in Houston, but let's stop acting as though it's a given. You're relying on players who have proven nothing to replace a top five tight end. |
Slaton hasn't been awful this season, although his fumbling has. To be honest he's been a pretty big part of the offense, over 650 total yards and 5 TDs. |
He's averaged over 3.8 yards per carry in one game this season. As a receiver, he's been fine, as a running back, he has been incredibly unimpressive. The seven fumbles only adds to the disappointment. |
Seems to me we did JUST FINE last week after OD went down....Do not sleep on Joel Dreessen who for some reason is the TE in the game when we're in the red zone anyway. Maybe you should worry about your own team? Just a thought.... |
As though I can only think about only my team...
You did fine against the Bills, you know, that team that lost to Cleveland, let's see how you do in your next two games (and yes, I'm including Tennessee as a test). |
 Feeling pretty big after finally getting a win huh?
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| Jabba Da Brunk wrote: | | titans0021 wrote: | | amazingandre wrote: | | titans0021 wrote: | | Jabba Da Brunk wrote: | | titans0021 wrote: | | Wait, so looking at a player's performance over the course of their career is a horrible way to evaluate them? James Casey has two career receptions, Jacoby Jones has 27, Andre Davis has 17 in the last two years and David Anderson had 19 catches last season, which was a career high. Outside of Slaton and Walter, which one of these players have ever proven that they are reliable? And hell, Slaton had one good year and has been awful this season, so I'm not sure he can be counted on. Everything could work out in Houston, but let's stop acting as though it's a given. You're relying on players who have proven nothing to replace a top five tight end. |
Slaton hasn't been awful this season, although his fumbling has. To be honest he's been a pretty big part of the offense, over 650 total yards and 5 TDs. |
He's averaged over 3.8 yards per carry in one game this season. As a receiver, he's been fine, as a running back, he has been incredibly unimpressive. The seven fumbles only adds to the disappointment. |
Seems to me we did JUST FINE last week after OD went down....Do not sleep on Joel Dreessen who for some reason is the TE in the game when we're in the red zone anyway. Maybe you should worry about your own team? Just a thought.... |
As though I can only think about only my team...
You did fine against the Bills, you know, that team that lost to Cleveland, let's see how you do in your next two games (and yes, I'm including Tennessee as a test). |
Feeling pretty big after finally getting a win huh? |
There are a majority of teams with more wins that I would rather play than the Titans.
Throw their record away they are still a good football team and will be very big as "Bracket Busters" (if u will) for the rest of the season
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