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big_palooka

Joined: 30 Mar 2006
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Location: Salt Lake City

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:33 pm Post subject:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

yea right
understand the game of football then come at me.

This isnt the NBA where you can play isolation.
OR MLB where you can hit HR's all by yourself.

This is the NFL you need everyguy to do their respective job for a play to work.

Russ is having a bootsy year I admit that.
But how you can over look the rest of the team like they are playing at a all-pro level is kinda confusing.

No Gallery, No Chaz, No Dmac

Barnes makes Green look like a god.
We have a O-line that leads the NFL in penalties (does that mean anything to you) Oline's job is to protect the QB and give him time to throw and they arent doing that even Grad has taken 2 sacks in limited action and he has great feet blah blah hackett's great blah blah blah.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9780

grad hasnt done shish in dam near 400 games 9tds-13 ints WOW hackett is such a great QB coach huh?

Our best WR is a 4th round rookie (does that mean anything to you) DHB falls down mid-route atleast 3 times a game.
Our play caller is a ex O-line coach.

Again I know Russ has sucked but we give him no chance.
You want production like Matt Ryan surround Russ with the same quality guys from the top to the bottom.

Yall think Jeff was gonna save us yea right. Jeff being coached by Gruden on a playoff bound TB squad couldnt get them there so WHY do yall think Cable is gonna magically turn him into a Winner? If Gruden couldnt do it why do you think Cable can?

Blah Blah Blah...... excuse, excuse.

True or false. Bruce Gradkowski has been a better starter in the league that Russell? TRUE

True of False - Charlie Frye has been a better starter in the league than Russell? TRUE

True or False - You continue to completely disregard the Bucs defense and blame Garcia because you can't admit that Garcia would have this team more competitive? TRUE

Seriously NCOUGHMAN, if you are going to make arguments and stand behind your guy, that's fine and I respect that. But whenever someone makes a case against you, you totally disregard the post and then post the same BS again day after day. Example, the Garcia case which you are completely LOST on. Easily, Garcia would have this offense by the balls leading them. He would have more wins and would have more TDs than Russell's pathetic 2. Garcia has more guts, desire and skill in his 40 year old body than Russell will ever have. Argue that for a minute! I want to see you try and tell me that Garcia isn't a warrior and leader of men.
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:34 pm Post subject:

big_palooka wrote:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

Blah Blah Blah...... excuse, excuse.

True or false. Bruce Gradkowski has been a better starter in the league that Russell? TRUE
-Grads best year he went 9tds-9ints HE HASNT THROWN A TD SINCE 2006!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-Russ best year he went 13tds-8ints
So my answer is false

True of False - Charlie Frye has been a better starter in the league than Russell? TRUE
-Frye's best year 10tds-17ints ??????????????? and he has way more games played under his belt
-Russ best year 13tds-8ints
So again my answer is false

True or False - You continue to completely disregard the Bucs defense and blame Garcia because you can't admit that Garcia would have this team more competitive? TRUE If garcia is such a gem why didnt anyone pick him up? Why did Tampa Drop him?
-Ill give you this tho GARCIA IS a better starter than Russell
But compare Jeffs 1999 49's team to the raiders team
naw ill make it easy compare 1999 49's wr's to ours.
-My answer is maybe. Tampa's D played a role but Jeff is the QB and just like you wanna blame russ for the Raiders failures why dont you blame Jeff for Tampa's do I smell double standard? Jeff couldnt beat our D without ASO remember?
Seriously NCOUGHMAN, if you are going to make arguments and stand behind your guy, that's fine and I respect that. But whenever someone makes a case against you, you totally disregard the post and then post the same BS again day after day. Example, the Garcia case which you are completely LOST on. Easily, Garcia would have this offense by the balls leading them. He would have more wins and would have more TDs than Russell's pathetic 2. Garcia has more guts, desire and skill in his 40 year old body than Russell will ever have. Argue that for a minute! I want to see you try and tell me that Garcia isn't a warrior and leader of men.

garcia is a 11 yr vet are you really tryna compare Juss to an 11 yr vet. Garcia came into the nfl with terrell owens, jerry rice's etc. russ got Ronald Curry, Jerry Porter's give me a break. You're better than that BP
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jfitz812

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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:52 pm Post subject:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

big_palooka wrote:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

NCOUGHMAN, do you support Al Davis? Not the Al Davis that was a winner of multiple superbowls, but the one that has been relentless in running his team into the ground and won't let his decrepit foot off the pedal.

Because your reasoning and solution to Russell's glaring struggles are that of Al Davis' himself. Illogical. I was an avid supporter of Russell throughout this season but it is now conclusive that he will never be anything more than a lazy, backup quarterback in the NFL... that is, on any team other than our own. He is the team's biggest disappointment in recent years, and that's saying something.
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NCOUGHMAN

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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:58 pm Post subject:

jfitz812 wrote:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

big_palooka wrote:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

Illogical? can you ellaborate. What, that I typed above is illogical? and why?
And its really hard to support Al right now?
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raidersbaby

Joined: 16 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:06 pm Post subject:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

jfitz812 wrote:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

big_palooka wrote:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

Illogical? can you ellaborate. What, that I typed above is illogical? and why?
And its really hard to support Al right now?

NCOUGHMAN, You put more time and effort in defending Russell on this site more than Jamarcus will ever put into the game of football. Lol. Think

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jfitz812

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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:10 pm Post subject:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

jfitz812 wrote:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

big_palooka wrote:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

Illogical? can you ellaborate. What, that I typed above is illogical? and why?
And its really hard to support Al right now?

Illogical in the sense that you don't build a team and a foundation around a terrible player (especially your quarterback). It makes absolutely no sense. If JaMarcus even showed flashes of being great lately, you could make a small case that he needs better players around him. And yes, he would probably play a little better if he had an all-pro line and Megatron to throw to... wouldn't every single QB in the league? Truth is this, JRock is not a good quarterback and to not admit our mistake and get a good leader to build a good team around would be insanity.

We would be handcuffing the team's development by keeping JaMarcus and filling positions around him, rather than filling his position and keeping the good players we already have that JaMarcus can't utilize if there was a box of Krispy Kreme on the line.
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big_palooka

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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:17 pm Post subject:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

big_palooka wrote:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

Hmmm...... funny both Frye and Gradkowski have better QB ratings than Russell. And you know what else?

THEY WERE NOT TAKEN NUMBER ONE OVERALL!!!!!!!!!!!

They've done more than Russell in their careers despite the fact they were not expected to. Nobody mortgaged their futures on these 2.

Guarantee either Frye or Gradkowski can muster up more than 2 TDs in a half season of play. You can bank on that. Hopefully we find out. Because seriously, Russell is on pace for 4 TDs?? WOW..... that is embarrassing for a professional QB of his stature.
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NCOUGHMAN

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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:30 pm Post subject:

big_palooka wrote:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

big_palooka wrote:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

and we are on pace for 50+ sacks allowed and your point is? oh thats russ's fault right?
On pace to lead the NFL in O-line penalties but thats russ's fault too huh?

In Russ's short career he has already had a better season than grad or frye with lil to none offensive/front office help.
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cellomac1212

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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:31 pm Post subject:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

jfitz812 wrote:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

big_palooka wrote:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

Illogical? can you ellaborate. What, that I typed above is illogical? and why?
And its really hard to support Al right now?

Illogical is taking a QB with only potential, no real skill yet, surrounding him with horrible and inexperienced coaches and players, and an owner who has no clue how to run a team, and expecting JR to succeed in this scenario. That's illogical.

After seeing how fast you guys can turn on our own player who we need to succeed, I'm starting to hope he leaves and has a brilliant career, just to shut yall up. It's starting to be embarrassing even considering myself to be in the same club as yall of fans of the Raiders.

I went to the Denver game and was watching the end of the Niners game vs. Minnesota at the bar. The loudest cheering of the day was when the Niners lost. That's when I realized our team is so bad we look and hope negative on everyone else (even some of our own players: JR, DHB, & a long list of others) just to have something to be happy about. The Niner's ain't got nothing to do with the Raiders, yeah it's a rivalry, but them losing or winning has nothing to do with us. Most of us, just face it, are unhappy HATAZ!!! The life of a Raider fan.

But I'm with NC, if you guys think even an all star qb can come to this same team, in this same vanilla proven not to work system, with the same coaching staff, yall know nothing about football. Realize where the real problem is and stop making JR the scapegoat. To bad we didn't keep Kiffin, JR seemed to play a lot better under his coaching. But I forgot yall actually wanted Cable to be the coach over him. JUST PLAIN STUPID from day 1.
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cellomac1212

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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:36 pm Post subject:

big_palooka wrote:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

big_palooka wrote:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

So when he does the research, proves you wrong, you change the subject. Hmmm...

The point was they haven't even had as good as a year as Russell's first year starting not where they were picked in the draft.
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NCOUGHMAN

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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:36 pm Post subject:

jfitz812 wrote:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

jfitz812 wrote:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

big_palooka wrote:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

Illogical? can you ellaborate. What, that I typed above is illogical? and why?
And its really hard to support Al right now?

What good players do you speak of?
how many of those players played in the last 2-3 games?

Thats the problem we drafted him the year after we gave up 72 sacks!!!!!
We needed to fix the pass blocking before we got a qb.
We got the Qb now when are we gonna fix the pass blocking?
its been 4-5 years now with sucky pass blocking?
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iMaGiNe

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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:41 pm Post subject:

I am in complete disbelief that there are people out there defending jabust... Je wont even defend himself... He just shrugs his shoulders and says i played alrite
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NCOUGHMAN

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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:46 pm Post subject:

cellomac1212 wrote:

big_palooka wrote:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

big_palooka wrote:

NCOUGHMAN wrote:

exactly.
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cellomac1212

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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject:

iMaGiNe wrote:

I am in complete disbelief that there are people out there defending jabust... Je wont even defend himself... He just shrugs his shoulders and says i played alrite

Because when someone looks ok and improving weekly (JR's first year starting), to just flat out horrible (JR's second year starting), it's usually more than just the player not being any good.

I have a problem with what the Raiders are doing to make him better, why? cause they ain't doing nothing that's going to help him. I'll say it a million times, you can't judge no qb in a situation as bad as this one.
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NCOUGHMAN

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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:53 pm Post subject:

iMaGiNe wrote:

I am in complete disbelief that there are people out there defending jabust... Je wont even defend himself... He just shrugs his shoulders and says i played alrite

he admits to his mistakes
What do you want him to say?

"how come I cant get 4 sec to throw like everyone else in the nfl?"
"why is my play caller an ex-oline coach?"
"why does my #7 pick WR fall down so much?"
"why is my #1 wr still on the sidelines?"
"will I ever get to keep a coach for longer than a year anda half?"
"besides zack I have next to nothing to throw to"
"why does everyone talk about my weight i was 6'5 260lbs when i was drafted?"
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