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| jetsfreak610 wrote: | Just a quick evaluation:
He's good, very good, and has the chance to be great. The arm, the mobility, the presence..it's all there. With time, he'll learn how to better manipulate the defense with his eyes, making checks, etc.
Schotty has to go. He'll become a HC, I wish him luck. I'm tired of watching this offense do great things only when it's needed.
I'm hoping Braylon/Cotchery/Keller are here for a long time with Mark.  It'll be hard to stop this corp with a little more time and familiarity.
Lastly, Mark's got to stop being a happy go lucky kid on the field when something goes right. It was cute Week 1, Week 2 with early success for our #5 pick. We're now 4-4 after going 3-0 to start the season...stop throwing your hands up and running all over the field after a TD, AND WE'RE STILL DOWN!
And hold your damn head up after the game. Stop looking like a primadonna crying on Braylon's shoulder. No one cares that you're sorry. Go out, lead this team, do your job, and act like the champion we imagined when we drafted you.
Hopefully the Bye works wonders for the second half of this season.. |
Exactly what I'm talking about with the whole even-keeled temperment. Act like you've eff'in been there before. |
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| Rich Kotite wrote: | | jetsfreak610 wrote: | Just a quick evaluation:
He's good, very good, and has the chance to be great. The arm, the mobility, the presence..it's all there. With time, he'll learn how to better manipulate the defense with his eyes, making checks, etc.
Schotty has to go. He'll become a HC, I wish him luck. I'm tired of watching this offense do great things only when it's needed.
I'm hoping Braylon/Cotchery/Keller are here for a long time with Mark. It'll be hard to stop this corp with a little more time and familiarity.
Lastly, Mark's got to stop being a happy go lucky kid on the field when something goes right. It was cute Week 1, Week 2 with early success for our #5 pick. We're now 4-4 after going 3-0 to start the season...stop throwing your hands up and running all over the field after a TD, AND WE'RE STILL DOWN!
And hold your damn head up after the game. Stop looking like a primadonna crying on Braylon's shoulder. No one cares that you're sorry. Go out, lead this team, do your job, and act like the champion we imagined when we drafted you.
Hopefully the Bye works wonders for the second half of this season.. |
Exactly what I'm talking about with the whole even-keeled temperment. Act like you've eff'in been there before. |
But he hasnt been here before....
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| i bleed x green wrote: | | Rich Kotite wrote: | | jetsfreak610 wrote: | Just a quick evaluation:
He's good, very good, and has the chance to be great. The arm, the mobility, the presence..it's all there. With time, he'll learn how to better manipulate the defense with his eyes, making checks, etc.
Schotty has to go. He'll become a HC, I wish him luck. I'm tired of watching this offense do great things only when it's needed.
I'm hoping Braylon/Cotchery/Keller are here for a long time with Mark. It'll be hard to stop this corp with a little more time and familiarity.
Lastly, Mark's got to stop being a happy go lucky kid on the field when something goes right. It was cute Week 1, Week 2 with early success for our #5 pick. We're now 4-4 after going 3-0 to start the season...stop throwing your hands up and running all over the field after a TD, AND WE'RE STILL DOWN!
And hold your damn head up after the game. Stop looking like a primadonna crying on Braylon's shoulder. No one cares that you're sorry. Go out, lead this team, do your job, and act like the champion we imagined when we drafted you.
Hopefully the Bye works wonders for the second half of this season.. |
Exactly what I'm talking about with the whole even-keeled temperment. Act like you've eff'in been there before. |
But he hasnt been here before.... |
You're right - he's never ever played football before. Not high school or college - we just threw him in there, just so he can celebrate wildly after TDs 
You know what I'm talking about. It's the same thing as the hot dog on the bench during the Raiders game. For those of us that played high school or even some college ball - when did a coach ever say to you that it was alright to eat food on the sidelines, unless it was a medical emergency? The problem is that with his maturity level, he is not ready to face things when the chips are down. He only had one year in college, and his record in "close" games (within 7 points) was 1-1 with a loss to Oregon State and a win against Arizona, both on the road. He never really had to lead a 4th quarter comeback, and maybe there was a let-down from Ohio State to Oregon State for the team last year. If you don't have the same consistency and focus week-to-week in the NFL, you are going to find yourself on the short end - even if you do throw for 265, 2 TDs, and run one in.
Like I said, act like a professional, since that is what he is now, and maybe that focus will come into play. I know I'm against comparing QBs, but the Flacco's and Matt Ryan's of the draft, they played on decent, but not great teams, and had to learn how to be a clutch player. Remember Ryan taking BC back over VT in Blacksburg with 3 minutes in the 4th quarter? Flacco had to deal with coaches at Pitt that started Tyler Palko over him, even though he knew he was the better QB. That's why he transferred to Delaware in the first place, but it's the ability to cope with struggles and learning to rise above that makes those QBs high caliber, and worthy of where they were picked (Flacco should have gone higher, IMO). We've never seen Sanchez have to face adversity, and that's why I was against starting him and drafting him that high, b/c we are pretty much forcing ourselves to make due with a QB that has never faced adversity on the field like this before... |
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| Quote: | | Exactly what I'm talking about with the whole even-keeled temperment. Act like you've eff'in been there before. |
Ha, I was just going to respond about your comments as well, we both submitted at the same time pretty much.
You know who came to mind as soon as I saw that on the sidelines? Tom Terrific. Jesus I hate the guy, but could you ever see Tom Brady sopping on Randy Moss' shoulder..he's a competitor. So is Peyton, Favre, Brees, Ben, Flacco/Ryan.
I thought Sanchez was too. Not a Sunday soap opera.
i bleed x green, ya he has. He's got half of a season under his belt now. He's experienced 4 losses now. He played well, why sulk? Your supposed to be the next Joe, the guy who's inheriting the soul of our franchise...
TDs and wins are expected, act like it. Losses are learning curves, take notice of them. That can't be done being caught up in yourself with "heart breaking antics". We spent all week making statements about our toughness as a team, cut the crap.
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This argument happens all the time in sports, especially in New York. We just saw this with Joba Chamberlain 2 years ago. If he is too excited, we want him to tone it down and act more "mature". If he reserved, (like Carlos Beltran) we want him to show more emotion. Nothing he does will ever be right, so let him get excited after scoring. Sorry for the baseball references but I saw them as the most relevant to the time.
You want him to be more even keeled. Why? I like that he takes the losses personally and is upset at his performance, he should be. What should be doing on the sideline during a loss, looking ahead with a blank stare? Football is an emotional game so why repress the in-game emotions?
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| i bleed x green wrote: | This argument happens all the time in sports, especially in New York. We just saw this with Joba Chamberlain 2 years ago. If he is too excited, we want him to tone it down and act more "mature". If he reserved, (like Carlos Beltran) we want him to show more emotion. Nothing he does will ever be right, so let him get excited after scoring. Sorry for the baseball references but I saw them as the most relevant to the time.
You want him to be more even keeled. Why? I like that he takes the losses personally and is upset at his performance, he should be. What should be doing on the sideline during a loss, looking ahead with a blank stare? Football is an emotional game so why repress the in-game emotions? |
I agree with this. I don't see it being a big deal.
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| Quote: | This argument happens all the time in sports, especially in New York. We just saw this with Joba Chamberlain 2 years ago. If he is too excited, we want him to tone it down and act more "mature". If he reserved, (like Carlos Beltran) we want him to show more emotion. Nothing he does will ever be right, so let him get excited after scoring. Sorry for the baseball references but I saw them as the most relevant to the time.
You want him to be more even keeled. Why? I like that he takes the losses personally and is upset at his performance, he should be. What should be doing on the sideline during a loss, looking ahead with a blank stare? Football is an emotional game so why repress the in-game emotions? |
Don't apologize for the baseball reference, it is still relevant in the sports arena, yet there is one big difference. You're talking about a middle reliever and a NFL QB. Closers come in for their inning, I'm on board with your Joba explanantion, anyone see Papel scum lately? Dude does it all the time.
Past all the other closers, the Jobas..you have someone like Mariano, from New York.
Every regular season death kill, you get a handshake at best out of him.
This is when you see him show any emotion..
I've seen the Favre blank stare, Brady, Peyton, etc. Yes, that is what you're supposed to do. War is emotional, does the colonel pout or seek supportive affection. Does a CEO sulk and take a day off after a company setback. Who's your leader, what does he do.
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| i bleed x green wrote: | This argument happens all the time in sports, especially in New York. We just saw this with Joba Chamberlain 2 years ago. If he is too excited, we want him to tone it down and act more "mature". If he reserved, (like Carlos Beltran) we want him to show more emotion. Nothing he does will ever be right, so let him get excited after scoring. Sorry for the baseball references but I saw them as the most relevant to the time.
You want him to be more even keeled. Why? I like that he takes the losses personally and is upset at his performance, he should be. What should be doing on the sideline during a loss, looking ahead with a blank stare? Football is an emotional game so why repress the in-game emotions? |
Name me the last few QBs that were emotionally-charged and led their teams to the playoffs. Pennington was a good-natured guy when he was here, but he never looked like he was looking for a shoulder to cry on. Manning, Brees, Brady, Palmer - all of them can have that blank stare, but they have this unflappable air of confidence about them, even with the chips down.
The last player that I can think of that got his team to the playoffs despite the highs and lows of a season would be Rex Grossman of the Bears. Yeah, they got to a Super Bowl, but would you really be comfortable with Grossman leading your team? Would you be happy knowing that the 5th pick in the draft turned into a Grossman clone? Ryan Leaf was an emotional guy - ask reporters in the locker room after a mini-camp. Warner is the same way - if he throws a pick early in the game, you know he is going to throw 3 more. Considering we were supposed to be a run-first, defense-oriented team, there's no need for an emotional QB - we'll get plenty fired up from our D making a big play, and the ground game rolling up yardage.
Even though football is an emotional game, it's safe to say that not learning how to keep them in check for a game hurts your team. The baseball reference is fair enough, but I think jetsfreak pointed out the difference between Joba's role and Sanchez' role in their respective sports and positions on the field... |
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| Rich Kotite wrote: | | i bleed x green wrote: | This argument happens all the time in sports, especially in New York. We just saw this with Joba Chamberlain 2 years ago. If he is too excited, we want him to tone it down and act more "mature". If he reserved, (like Carlos Beltran) we want him to show more emotion. Nothing he does will ever be right, so let him get excited after scoring. Sorry for the baseball references but I saw them as the most relevant to the time.
You want him to be more even keeled. Why? I like that he takes the losses personally and is upset at his performance, he should be. What should be doing on the sideline during a loss, looking ahead with a blank stare? Football is an emotional game so why repress the in-game emotions? |
Name me the last few QBs that were emotionally-charged and led their teams to the playoffs. Pennington was a good-natured guy when he was here, but he never looked like he was looking for a shoulder to cry on. Manning, Brees, Brady, Palmer - all of them can have that blank stare, but they have this unflappable air of confidence about them, even with the chips down.
The last player that I can think of that got his team to the playoffs despite the highs and lows of a season would be Rex Grossman of the Bears. Yeah, they got to a Super Bowl, but would you really be comfortable with Grossman leading your team? Would you be happy knowing that the 5th pick in the draft turned into a Grossman clone? Ryan Leaf was an emotional guy - ask reporters in the locker room after a mini-camp. Warner is the same way - if he throws a pick early in the game, you know he is going to throw 3 more. Considering we were supposed to be a run-first, defense-oriented team, there's no need for an emotional QB - we'll get plenty fired up from our D making a big play, and the ground game rolling up yardage.
Even though football is an emotional game, it's safe to say that not learning how to keep them in check for a game hurts your team. The baseball reference is fair enough, but I think jetsfreak pointed out the difference between Joba's role and Sanchez' role in their respective sports and positions on the field... |
yes but lets not act like Brett Favre does not run down field like a little kid whenever he throws a TD. He gets praised for playing the game like a kid and having the emotion. Some people tend to show their emotion more than others. As long as he continues to improve it doesnt matter if he is emotional or not.
Fact is he is only 22 and of course at that age you are going to be emotional so let him learn but he seems like the person that needs to play with that emotion to be successful.
And lets not act as if Peyton and the rest were not emotional during their rookie season. This is the one thing I cannot stand about some fans is their early judgment of people. Lets give the kid some time to experience a full season and see the peaks and valleys.
Had we put up these stats when we drafted him and said he would give us 6 great games and 2 terrible ones. We know that we would have loved that idea.
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Peyton Manning was 21 years old to kick off the NFL career.
John Elways was 23 years old.
Dan Marino was 21 years old, then turned 22.
If I remembered correctly, all of them were 4 year starter in college. Brown Nose is 22 years old and has one freaking season as a full time starter in college.
Age is not a reason he is not ready. It is experience under duress which he lacks of. He is a high risk.
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This thread wins the "Biggest Overreaction Based on Perceived Look of Player on the Sidelines" award.
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He is somewhat inconsistent. At times, he looks like an all pro and then some games (New Orleans and Buffalo) he has played horrible. I think this is all factors into him learning the game. My biggest issue with him has been his confidence: he did show me last game that he can challenge adversity and lead this team late in games but I want to be able to see him make a mistake and respond positivly rather than emotionally drain himself. Overall, he has been what I've expected. He's 4-4 as a rookie and as someone else mentioned, in 6 of his games he has 8 TD passes and only 2 INTs, but in the other 2 he has 0 TDs and 8 INTs. If he can learn how to incorporate that "short-term memory" part of the game, he should do extremely well. He'll reflect on how his first 8 games of his NFL career has gone, probably talk to his sports psychologist, and hopefully can play extremely well in our last 8 games.
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| quietjets wrote: | Peyton Manning was 21 years old to kick off the NFL career.
John Elways was 23 years old.
Dan Marino was 21 years old, then turned 22.
If I remembered correctly, all of them were 4 year starter in college. Brown Nose is 22 years old and has one freaking season as a full time starter in college.
Age is not a reason he is not ready. It is experience under duress which he lacks of. He is a high risk. |
Exactly what I was trying to say. It could be 1-4 years before we even see marked improvement in his play and his abilities. I'm not saying that emotions have to be contained completely, but there is a time and a place for them. Because Sanchez has primarily experienced success for his entire college career (starting, backing-up, whatever), he doesn't know what it's like to fail, or to even perform well and fail. That really can knock him down a peg or two in development, b/c he may try too hard when we are losing, or simply not play well when that confidence isn't present.
I still say that we have two identical QBs in Clemens and Sanchez, and we will just look even more stupid that we moved up to #5 to take a similar prototype to the guy we've had on the bench for the last 3 years... |
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| Rich Kotite wrote: | | quietjets wrote: | Peyton Manning was 21 years old to kick off the NFL career.
John Elways was 23 years old.
Dan Marino was 21 years old, then turned 22.
If I remembered correctly, all of them were 4 year starter in college. Brown Nose is 22 years old and has one freaking season as a full time starter in college.
Age is not a reason he is not ready. It is experience under duress which he lacks of. He is a high risk. |
Exactly what I was trying to say. It could be 1-4 years before we even see marked improvement in his play and his abilities. I'm not saying that emotions have to be contained completely, but there is a time and a place for them. Because Sanchez has primarily experienced success for his entire college career (starting, backing-up, whatever), he doesn't know what it's like to fail, or to even perform well and fail. That really can knock him down a peg or two in development, b/c he may try too hard when we are losing, or simply not play well when that confidence isn't present.
I still say that we have two identical QBs in Clemens and Sanchez, and we will just look even more stupid that we moved up to #5 to take a similar prototype to the guy we've had on the bench for the last 3 years... |
Unless he overcomes NFL obstacles, he lacks moxie. Simple.
Although both aforementioned qbs were from Pac 10 Brown Nose at least played pro style offense and Clemens never played a single snap in that offense until he was drafted. Not even in one of All Star Bowls.
Brown Nose has always been ahead of Clemens. I hope for Jets' sake he does not get complacent with Ryan and FO wiping his butt crack regularly.
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| Rich Kotite wrote: | | I still say that we have two identical QBs in Clemens and Sanchez, and we will just look even more stupid that we moved up to #5 to take a similar prototype to the guy we've had on the bench for the last 3 years... |
That's gotta be a joke.
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