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Art_Vandalay
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| blueNorange wrote: | | Art_Vandalay wrote: | | minutemancl wrote: | | EaglesDBs wrote: | | MikeyBaltimore wrote: | | Smith has better hands and runs considerably better routes. The only thing Jackson has on him is speed. |
Considerably better?
Are you serious?
Desean Jackson's route running is crisp, especially for someone so young. Thats one of the reasons he had such a good rookie season. He can run the short, intermediate, and deep routes without problem. I wont say he has better route running than Smith, because I dont follow Smith closely, but Desean has WAYYY more on him than speed.
One thing he does ALOT better than Smith is run after the catch. Thats not even arguable, so I wont go in depth. |
 Obviously. Steve Smith is one of the best route runners in the NFL right now. He isn't very fast, big, or strong, so how does he have tremendous stats? Answer- route running. Just look at this.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-york-giants/09000d5d812c96bf/Manning-22-yd-TD-pass-to-Steve-Smith
Come back to me when Desean does ANYTHING like this. |
3:28-3:41
I'm not going to sit here and act like he's a better router runner, but he's still very good. He has a sick double move. |
have any video of him doing it in the nfl and not in college??   |
What's the difference? You think he forgot how to do that after being drafted?
And no, I couldn't find any video that shows off his route running in the NFL but I've seen him use that double move on defenders several times.
Like said before, I'm not saying he's a better route runner than Smith but it's annoying people say he's much better than Jackson at route running.
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McNabbMcFadden
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:58 am Post subject: |
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To date if DeSean Jackson caught the same percentage of his teams completions as Steve Smith. DeSean would have the stat line of. 49 Catches, 1014 Yards and 8 TD. (7 Games)
Just sayin...
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Eagles27
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| McNabbMcFadden wrote: | To date if DeSean Jackson caught the same percentage of his teams completions as Steve Smith. DeSean would have the stat line of. 49 Catches, 1014 Yards and 8 TD. (7 Games)
Just sayin... |
 When are you guys going to learn.
Eddie Royal & Steve Smith wish they were DeSean Jackson.
Speaking of Royal:
Royal's 09 Projected Stats:
46 REC / 361 Yards / 0 TD
DeSean's 09 Projected Stats:
55 REC / 1145 Yards / 9 TD's
That doesn't even take into account his rushing statistics. 
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Raz
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Meh... Jackson is a pu$$y though and will not be the "go to guy" and after he loses speed he'll be gone.
He is now though the best weapon in the league i love how he gets open for a +50 yard catch and just how friggen explosive he is. |
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Art_Vandalay
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:16 am Post subject: |
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I love how everyone calls Desean scared but provides no examples.
Apparently small = soft and scared.
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Art_Vandalay
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| blueNorange wrote: | | Art_Vandalay wrote: | | minutemancl wrote: | | EaglesDBs wrote: | | MikeyBaltimore wrote: | | Smith has better hands and runs considerably better routes. The only thing Jackson has on him is speed. |
Considerably better?
Are you serious?
Desean Jackson's route running is crisp, especially for someone so young. Thats one of the reasons he had such a good rookie season. He can run the short, intermediate, and deep routes without problem. I wont say he has better route running than Smith, because I dont follow Smith closely, but Desean has WAYYY more on him than speed.
One thing he does ALOT better than Smith is run after the catch. Thats not even arguable, so I wont go in depth. |
Obviously. Steve Smith is one of the best route runners in the NFL right now. He isn't very fast, big, or strong, so how does he have tremendous stats? Answer- route running. Just look at this.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-york-giants/09000d5d812c96bf/Manning-22-yd-TD-pass-to-Steve-Smith
Come back to me when Desean does ANYTHING like this. |
3:28-3:41
I'm not going to sit here and act like he's a better router runner, but he's still very good. He has a sick double move. |
have any video of him doing it in the nfl and not in college?? |
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Raz
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| Art_Vandalay wrote: | I love how everyone calls Desean soft but provides no examples.
Apparently small = soft and scared. |
Provides no examples.... wut?
He shy's away from contact in a contact sport.
Against redskins if i remember correctly he got a pass in the middle 10 yards from LOS and he saw a LB coming his way so he stopped and didn't try to catch the ball, it was on him.
When he rushes he steppes out of bounds etc. etc. etc
When he gets his first big hit he gonna cry |
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Art_Vandalay
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| Raz wrote: | | Art_Vandalay wrote: | I love how everyone calls Desean soft but provides no examples.
Apparently small = soft and scared. |
Provides no examples.... wut?
He shy's away from contact in a contact sport.
Against redskins if i remember correctly he got a pass in the middle 10 yards from LOS and he saw a LB coming his way so he stopped and didn't try to catch the ball, it was on him.
When he rushes he steppes out of bounds etc. etc. etc
When he gets his first big hit he gonna cry |
He sat down in the open space and McNabb just threw a bad ball. He still reached for it. Has he ever gotten alligator arms? No. He got lit up by Laron Landry going over the middle last year while reaching for a catch. He got up and continued playing.
And as far as running out of bounds when he's trapped..... Do you expect a dude who's 5'10 175 lbs to truck people?
Marvin Harrison did the same thing. Is he scared?
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| Raz wrote: | | Art_Vandalay wrote: | I love how everyone calls Desean soft but provides no examples.
Apparently small = soft and scared. |
Provides no examples.... wut?
He shy's away from contact in a contact sport.
Against redskins if i remember correctly he got a pass in the middle 10 yards from LOS and he saw a LB coming his way so he stopped and didn't try to catch the ball, it was on him.
When he rushes he steppes out of bounds etc. etc. etc
When he gets his first big hit he gonna cry |
You can't blame the guy. He's 5'9" 180. His game isn't physicallity, it's speed. At that size, there is no point in taking a hit for 2-3 extra yards after you just torched somebody for 60. He wouldn't last long if he did that.
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Art_Vandalay
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| Gmen wrote: | | Raz wrote: | | Art_Vandalay wrote: | I love how everyone calls Desean soft but provides no examples.
Apparently small = soft and scared. |
Provides no examples.... wut?
He shy's away from contact in a contact sport.
Against redskins if i remember correctly he got a pass in the middle 10 yards from LOS and he saw a LB coming his way so he stopped and didn't try to catch the ball, it was on him.
When he rushes he steppes out of bounds etc. etc. etc
When he gets his first big hit he gonna cry |
You can't blame the guy. He's 5'9" 180. His game isn't physicallity, it's speed. At that size, there is no point in taking a hit for 2-3 extra yards after you just torched somebody for 60. He wouldn't last long if he did that. |
Who are you and what have you done with Gmen 
Good post though. I completely agree. Imagine Desean trying to truck a LB or S...
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| Gmen wrote: | What BlaqOptic said. But this really is comparing apples to oranges. They're completely different players with different strengths.
I like the Steve Smith - Hines Ward comparison. He's not as physical as Ward, but he's a similar technitian. He just knows how to run routes and get open.
I think the better poll would be Giants receivers or Eagles receivers? I think Smith, Manningham, Nicks > Jackson, Avant, Maclin |
if the thread was about that i think it have to be a no brainer its would be the giants hakeem nicks is a stud that has not broken out yet the boy has potential |
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Broadway Joe
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Steve Smith is a better pure WR
DeSean Jackson is a better playmaker
And that's it, I think no one can argue that.
I was just thinking about the Giants' WR corps and if Barden pans out (and Smith would more likely be moved to the slot if that's the case, but still we'd see packages moving him all over the field) they might have one of the deepest corps in the NFL in a couple of years.
Manningham, Smith, Nicks and Barden would be scary.
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Action Jackson, He's just the bigger and better home run hitter, not to mention more versatile and can do more things on the field, Smith is the better blocker though, I'll give him that. But to make it more detailed, Smith is more reliable in a short route play but Jackson is much more reliable in a deep route play with that KILLER speed.
Smith's numbers have become a lot less eye-popping in recent weeks. Jackson has made at least 1 highlight in every single game this season.
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| ClutchCityOwns wrote: | Action Jackson, He's just the bigger and better home run hitter, not to mention more versatile and can do more things on the field, Smith is the better blocker though, I'll give him that. But to make it more detailed, Smith is more reliable in a short route play but Jackson is much more reliable in a deep route play with that KILLER speed.
Smith's numbers have become a lot less eye-popping in recent weeks. Jackson has made at least 1 highlight in every single game this season. |
With the exception of the Tampa game.
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| Eagles27 wrote: | | ClutchCityOwns wrote: | Action Jackson, He's just the bigger and better home run hitter, not to mention more versatile and can do more things on the field, Smith is the better blocker though, I'll give him that. But to make it more detailed, Smith is more reliable in a short route play but Jackson is much more reliable in a deep route play with that KILLER speed.
Smith's numbers have become a lot less eye-popping in recent weeks. Jackson has made at least 1 highlight in every single game this season. |
With the exception of the Tampa game. |
Oakland?
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