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stchamp98
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| KiwiFan94 wrote: | | Carroll has the speed to cover any WR but does not believe that so he holds. He has been working on that and has been holding a lot less then he did last year. I do believe Carroll will be solid and I do belive he will be the starter this year. I think Carroll will surprise a lot of people this year when he does well. |
From what I hear, Carroll hasn't done anything positive this offseason.
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hauschild
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Kiwi,
If he does end up starting and producing, then it really should not come as a surprise. Afterall, he was drafted in the 1st round and probably makes a good deal of money.
If he doesn't pan out this year, I'd do my best to unload him and move on. No sense in making another Jamaal Reynolds or Tony Mandarich outta him, who just never seemed to go away. It would be yet another 1st round bust, which Green Bay had many of prior to Wolf taking over.
Carroll's problems are 100 percent mental. For starters, he's about as dumb as a man could be without legally being diagnosed a mental retard. There's no way he kicks his bad habits before the season begins. If there was any chance of that happening, we would have witnessed it by mid-season last year when everyone was all over him about it. This is more evidence on why I would be very, very careful, when drafting certain positions, that I pick a player with the ability to listen, comprehend and learn, a la above average Wonderlic score. |
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KiwiFan94
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | For starters, he's about as dumb as a man could be without legally being diagnosed a mental retard |
Thats not even called for you don't know squat about him so try not and call names here.
| Quote: | | From what I hear, Carroll hasn't done anything positive this offseason. |
He has been doing very well, except for the one time he held DD and Bates unload a mouthful into his ear. He has been very agressive well as agressive you can be with out pads.
| Quote: | | There's no way he kicks his bad habits before the season begins. If there was any chance of that happening, we would have witnessed it by mid-season last year when everyone was all over him about it. This is more evidence on why I would be very, very careful, when drafting certain positions, that I pick a player with the ability to listen, comprehend and learn, a la above average Wonderlic score |
There you go agian stuck on this Wonderlic test. You know you say that you want Nick Collins to start at CB but that goes against what you say because he will be imcompentent to play there. Carroll was very productive in college I watched a few of his games and he has the knowledge. I think he will be ten times better and I hope he proves you wrong because he is a good player.
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stchamp98
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| KiwiFan94 wrote: | | Quote: | | For starters, he's about as dumb as a man could be without legally being diagnosed a mental retard |
Thats not even called for you don't know squat about him so try not and call names here.
| Quote: | | From what I hear, Carroll hasn't done anything positive this offseason. |
He has been doing very well, except for the one time he held DD and Bates unload a mouthful into his ear. He has been very agressive well as agressive you can be with out pads.
| Quote: | | There's no way he kicks his bad habits before the season begins. If there was any chance of that happening, we would have witnessed it by mid-season last year when everyone was all over him about it. This is more evidence on why I would be very, very careful, when drafting certain positions, that I pick a player with the ability to listen, comprehend and learn, a la above average Wonderlic score |
There you go agian stuck on this Wonderlic test. You know you say that you want Nick Collins to start at CB but that goes against what you say because he will be imcompentent to play there. Carroll was very productive in college I watched a few of his games and he has the knowledge. I think he will be ten times better and I hope he proves you wrong because he is a good player. |
Very well?
That's the exact opposite of everything I've heard and read.
Look at the name of this topic, that says it all right there.
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hauschild
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Easy, lads! Just stating the obvious.
Here's another point for ya...Carroll can't cover NFL receivers and he is not improving. He has all the tools anyone would ever want to have to play the position, yet he cannot. So, what else can one surmise is his problem? It surely isn't physical, so what's left?
Nick Collins, while low Wonderlic score, has proven he can shut down top NCAA receivers. Can he do the same to NFL receivers? Let's give him a try. No pressure on him because he's a safety. If he can't cut it, nothing lost. If he can, everything gained.
Again, just read my comments and try not to take them personally. There are bright people and not-so-bright people in this world. It's a fact of life.
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KiwiFan94
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| Quote: | Easy, lads! Just stating the obvious.
Here's another point for ya...Carroll can't cover NFL receivers and he is not improving. He has all the tools anyone would ever want to have to play the position, yet he cannot. So, what else can one surmise is his problem? It surely isn't physical, so what's left?
Nick Collins, while low Wonderlic score, has proven he can shut down top NCAA receivers. Can he do the same to NFL receivers? Let's give him a try. No pressure on him because he's a safety. If he can't cut it, nothing lost. If he can, everything gained.
Again, just read my comments and try not to take them personally. There are bright people and not-so-bright people in this world. It's a fact of life. |
I see your points I was not trying to make it personal or anything I guess this is one of those things. Where I think he can succeed and you don't we can't change the way we think.
I do see your point on Collins but I just see him being more help at safety because the way I have played and seen is that a okay to poor corner can do well with a good safety. That is why I want Collins to play safety I think he can help out with our okay to poor corners in Thomas and Carroll.
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rushpacker_56
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Well, I for one cannot wait until training camp to see who gets the nod at corner and how he does in the regular season. I for one think that Carrol will start as they have a lot invested in him.
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mgcc1949
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Agreed. Carroll is the 'starter' opposite Harris until it's proven he can't HANDle the position. Joey may prove to be the better coverage player and may not get as many holding/interference/illegal contact penalties, but can he tackle?
Could be a surprise player such as Denby or Hawkins? |
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rushpacker_56
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I think Hawkins has a shot, but that is only based on his story.
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mgcc1949
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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Flash of insight (or several fermented malt beverages :)) ....
Why does a defense have to play TWO cornerbacks?
With more teams going to 3 and 4 wide receiver sets, why not have 3 cornerbacks? The "Free Safety" would then be a cornerback in the middle of the field!
Why don't I get paid for this inspiration? |
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stchamp98
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| mgcc1949 wrote: | Flash of insight (or several fermented malt beverages  ) ....
Why does a defense have to play TWO cornerbacks?
With more teams going to 3 and 4 wide receiver sets, why not have 3 cornerbacks? The "Free Safety" would then be a cornerback in the middle of the field!
Why don't I get paid for this inspiration? |
Salary cap problems!
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mgcc1949
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| I wouldn't ask for any more than the veteran minimum. |
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stchamp98
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| mgcc1949 wrote: | | I wouldn't ask for any more than the veteran minimum. |
LOL, well maybe we could swing that.
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mgcc1949
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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I think I could survive on $540k a year. It would be a struggle.
May have to cut out the extra donut or something. |
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