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CowboysTilIDie
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 Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 1:45 pm Post subject: Which injured player is most crucial to our success? |
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Of all the main guys who missed significant time last year due to injury, which guy's health is most important to the team's success next year and why?
I think most might choose Sean Lee and with good reason. For me, though, I chose Jay Ratliff. This defense is totally reliant on getting pressure from the front 4 and Ratliff (when healthy) is our best interior rusher. He must stay healthy for this defense to really flourish.
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Church.
The most experienced S we have on the roster. Guy has drawn solid reviews and really need him to step into role.
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| I've gotta go with Sean Lee here. Seeing the difference in the defense with and without him last year was pretty clear who the anchor is on our defensive unit. I have high hopes for Lee, and he is one of my favorite players on our defense. I think when he's at his best, he's top 5, maybe even top 3 MLB in the league. If he can stay healthy, he will be the 'QB' of our defense for a long time. |
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I honestly don't see how this isn't Lee. I get we are weak at safety. How much more depth do we have at 4-3 MLB? Lee is better then Church. Only one that I could see argued it Ratliff, because without him we have no "star" power on the interior DL.
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| SHSTE92 wrote: | | I honestly don't see how this isn't Lee. I get we are weak at safety. How much more depth do we have at 4-3 MLB? Lee is better then Church. Only one that I could see argued it Ratliff, because without him we have no "star" power on the interior DL. |
Given how critical safety play is in Kiffin's D and who Dallas has available on the roster, I'd still put Church at the top of the list. Danny freakin' McCary is next in line behind Church.
No doubt keeping Lee on the field will go a long way towards Dallas' success, but Carter filled in nicely for Lee. I'll take Durant - Carter - Sims LB corp over McCary every being in a spot to start.
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Baixis
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| WizardHawk wrote: | | SHSTE92 wrote: | | I honestly don't see how this isn't Lee. I get we are weak at safety. How much more depth do we have at 4-3 MLB? Lee is better then Church. Only one that I could see argued it Ratliff, because without him we have no "star" power on the interior DL. |
Given how critical safety play is in Kiffin's D and who Dallas has available on the roster, I'd still put Church at the top of the list. Danny freakin' McCary is next in line behind Church.
No doubt keeping Lee on the field will go a long way towards Dallas' success, but Carter filled in nicely for Lee. I'll take Durant - Carter - Sims LB corp over McCary every being in a spot to start. |
I was thinking Lee too, but you've made a great point! Unless Johnson and Wilcox are bonafide starters RIGHT NOW, a Church injury would really hurt! |
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SHSTE92
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| Baixis wrote: | | WizardHawk wrote: | | SHSTE92 wrote: | | I honestly don't see how this isn't Lee. I get we are weak at safety. How much more depth do we have at 4-3 MLB? Lee is better then Church. Only one that I could see argued it Ratliff, because without him we have no "star" power on the interior DL. |
Given how critical safety play is in Kiffin's D and who Dallas has available on the roster, I'd still put Church at the top of the list. Danny freakin' McCary is next in line behind Church.
No doubt keeping Lee on the field will go a long way towards Dallas' success, but Carter filled in nicely for Lee. I'll take Durant - Carter - Sims LB corp over McCary every being in a spot to start. |
I was thinking Lee too, but you've made a great point! Unless Johnson and Wilcox are bonafide starters RIGHT NOW, a Church injury would really hurt! |
Isn't Church being a bit over rated having started what like 2 NFL games that he is even that much better then Will Allen? I liked his potential 2-3 years ago too but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
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I picked Lee. I think he has the biggest impact of the players listed.
I almost picked other and said DWare. While he didn't miss games due to his injuries last season the defense missed his pass rush down the stretch. If this Defense is going to be successful, he needs to be the force that we've all grow accustom to.
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Danny McCray will not play safety this year unless Church, Johnson, Allen, and Wilcox get hurt. Let's pray that does not happen.
Regarding Sean Lee, an argument could almost be made that Bruce Carter's health is more important to this defense. If Lee were to go down, Carter would more than likely slide over to his spot and take over, allowing Ernie Sims to take over for Carter. I don't think we'd be in as dire a situation if Lee were to go down in this defense as we would if Ratliff missed significant time again. Ratliff being healthy is paramount to helping this defense be successful in my opinion.
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I'd love to see what a full season with Lee could do for this defense...
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| CT Cowboy Fan wrote: | I picked Lee. I think he has the biggest impact of the players listed.
I almost picked other and said DWare. While he didn't miss games due to his injuries last season the defense missed his pass rush down the stretch. If this Defense is going to be successful, he needs to be the force that we've all grow accustom to. |
I strongly considered adding Dware. He's primarily the reason I put "Other" as an option. In the end, I thought he was too obvious an answer if I put him as an option.
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| CowboysTilIDie wrote: | Danny McCray will not play safety this year unless Church, Johnson, Allen, and Wilcox get hurt. Let's pray that does not happen.
Regarding Sean Lee, an argument could almost be made that Bruce Carter's health is more important to this defense. If Lee were to go down, Carter would more than likely slide over to his spot and take over, allowing Ernie Sims to take over for Carter. I don't think we'd be in as dire a situation if Lee were to go down in this defense as we would if Ratliff missed significant time again. Ratliff being healthy is paramount to helping this defense be successful in my opinion. |
I considered Rat, but given his decline and age, I'm not convinced he's going to ever be much of a factor ever again. Honestly, not sure I'd put him above Hatcher, Crawford or Liss at this point. Just haven't seen enough from him recently to think he's indispensable.
Guess I could say same for Church. Boils down to being more confident in Rat's DL mates than I am what we have at safety.
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| SHSTE92 wrote: | | Baixis wrote: | | WizardHawk wrote: | | SHSTE92 wrote: | | I honestly don't see how this isn't Lee. I get we are weak at safety. How much more depth do we have at 4-3 MLB? Lee is better then Church. Only one that I could see argued it Ratliff, because without him we have no "star" power on the interior DL. |
Given how critical safety play is in Kiffin's D and who Dallas has available on the roster, I'd still put Church at the top of the list. Danny freakin' McCary is next in line behind Church.
No doubt keeping Lee on the field will go a long way towards Dallas' success, but Carter filled in nicely for Lee. I'll take Durant - Carter - Sims LB corp over McCary every being in a spot to start. |
I was thinking Lee too, but you've made a great point! Unless Johnson and Wilcox are bonafide starters RIGHT NOW, a Church injury would really hurt! |
Isn't Church being a bit over rated having started what like 2 NFL games that he is even that much better then Will Allen? I liked his potential 2-3 years ago too but lets not get ahead of ourselves. |
I don't think Church is better than Lee for sure! But I think about what our LBs would look like without Lee, and I think about what our Safeties would look like without Church, and while Church may not be great himself, what we have behind him scares the hell out of me. I think we are deeper at LB and could absorb Lee's loos better than we could Church. |
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| Baixis wrote: | | SHSTE92 wrote: | | Baixis wrote: | | WizardHawk wrote: | | SHSTE92 wrote: | | I honestly don't see how this isn't Lee. I get we are weak at safety. How much more depth do we have at 4-3 MLB? Lee is better then Church. Only one that I could see argued it Ratliff, because without him we have no "star" power on the interior DL. |
Given how critical safety play is in Kiffin's D and who Dallas has available on the roster, I'd still put Church at the top of the list. Danny freakin' McCary is next in line behind Church.
No doubt keeping Lee on the field will go a long way towards Dallas' success, but Carter filled in nicely for Lee. I'll take Durant - Carter - Sims LB corp over McCary every being in a spot to start. |
I was thinking Lee too, but you've made a great point! Unless Johnson and Wilcox are bonafide starters RIGHT NOW, a Church injury would really hurt! |
Isn't Church being a bit over rated having started what like 2 NFL games that he is even that much better then Will Allen? I liked his potential 2-3 years ago too but lets not get ahead of ourselves. |
I don't think Church is better than Lee for sure! But I think about what our LBs would look like without Lee, and I think about what our Safeties would look like without Church, and while Church may not be great himself, what we have behind him scares the hell out of me. I think we are deeper at LB and could absorb Lee's loos better than we could Church. |
I love the assumption (not calling you out Baixis) that Carter could just fill in at 4-3 ILB. Lets remember he took his lumps learning 3-4 ILB. Lee is the leader of the defense, and better at run support. I think we can get by with "no bodies" at safety as long as those no bodies can cover ground and handle their assignment. The whole point of the Tampa-2 is pressure and the front 7 making life easier on the backfield. Ratliff and Ware (who isn't injury prone so we can't just assume he'll be a injury liability) are the only ones we'd might be in more trouble without then Lee imo.
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| SHSTE92 wrote: | | I love the assumption (not calling you out Baixis) that Carter could just fill in at 4-3 ILB. Lets remember he took his lumps learning 3-4 ILB. Lee is the leader of the defense, and better at run support. I think we can get by with "no bodies" at safety as long as those no bodies can cover ground and handle their assignment. The whole point of the Tampa-2 is pressure and the front 7 making life easier on the backfield. Ratliff and Ware (who isn't injury prone so we can't just assume he'll be a injury liability) are the only ones we'd might be in more trouble without then Lee imo. |
What makes you think Carter couldn't slide over and be productive at ILB? Carter played lights out last year in place of Lee. I have no doubts whatsoever that Carter could make a seamless transition to Mike if need be.
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