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saintsfan
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| Mid Iowa wrote: | | saintsfan wrote: | | I just rescued a dog and he is actually black, gold, and white. Couldn't be more perfect! |
I've got a black, gold, and white dog too. My wife (a Vikings fan) named him Drew. He's a great dog! |
Ours is named Gatsby! (He already had the name) What type of dog is yours?
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Mid Iowa
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| saintsfan wrote: | | What type of dog is yours? |
He's Australian Shepard. We got him as a pup. He's a clown and lots of fun. |
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Breesus mode
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Alright I don't know where to really put this, but:
http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/10/now-the-symbol-of-new-orleans-is-considered-racist/#ixzz3fWsapZZZ
| Quote: | “As an African I find it painful, and I think people whose ancestors were enslaved here may feel it even harder than I do as an African,” said slave historian Dr. Ibrahima Seck to WWLTV.
He connects the usage of the fleur de lis, to “code noir,” or black code, which was adopted in Louisiana in 1724, and used to govern to state’s slave population.
Seck said a slave caught running away, “would be taken before a court and the sentence would be being branded on one shoulder and with the fleur de lis, and then they would crop their ears.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/10/now-the-symbol-of-new-orleans-is-considered-racist/#ixzz3fZw3gelG
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So, uh, what do you guys think? I think it is garbage, but that just might be me
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NS922
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We talked about that in English class yesterday, discussing controversial topics and stuff. We talked about the C-word Flag that I'd rather not actually name, and the Fleur De Lis. At first I thought the teacher was just getting it confused with something and didn't know what she was talking about.....I mean, she's an English teacher not a historian......but apparently now that is a topic of controversy. 
They've still got it twisted though, regardless of what it was eventually used for, its origins of course go back to sometime around the Middle Ages and were just used to represent royalty. It's symbolized after a freaking flower. Most of any usage of it refers to the French monarchy and whatever it was connected to, in this case being Louisiana in the 1700s. It's not like it was created for the sole purpose of branding people.
The Saints logo and any usage of the fleur-de-lis today represents our French history and unfortunately our history has some parts we today aren't proud of. But America as a whole went through dark times and what's in the past is in the past and not a single soul these days chooses to represent negativity with a freaking fleur de lis. People are sooo PC these days are just looking for things to be offended by and scrub from the history books.
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| NS922 wrote: | We talked about that in English class yesterday, discussing controversial topics and stuff. We talked about the C-word Flag that I'd rather not actually name, and the Fleur De Lis. At first I thought the teacher was just getting it confused with something and didn't know what she was talking about.....I mean, she's an English teacher not a historian......but apparently now that is a topic of controversy.
They've still got it twisted though, regardless of what it was eventually used for, its origins of course go back to sometime around the Middle Ages and were just used to represent royalty. It's symbolized after a freaking flower. Most of any usage of it refers to the French monarchy and whatever it was connected to, in this case being Louisiana in the 1700s. It's not like it was created for the sole purpose of branding people.
The Saints logo and any usage of the fleur-de-lis today represents our French history and unfortunately our history has some parts we today aren't proud of. But America as a whole went through dark times and what's in the past is in the past and not a single soul these days chooses to represent negativity with a freaking fleur de lis. People are sooo PC these days are just looking for things to be offended by and scrub from the history books. |
I dismissed it as PC garbage, but the point that he makes is ridiculous
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jcvoodoo
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| Breesus mode wrote: | Alright I don't know where to really put this, but:
http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/10/now-the-symbol-of-new-orleans-is-considered-racist/#ixzz3fWsapZZZ
| Quote: | “As an African I find it painful, and I think people whose ancestors were enslaved here may feel it even harder than I do as an African,” said slave historian Dr. Ibrahima Seck to WWLTV.
He connects the usage of the fleur de lis, to “code noir,” or black code, which was adopted in Louisiana in 1724, and used to govern to state’s slave population.
Seck said a slave caught running away, “would be taken before a court and the sentence would be being branded on one shoulder and with the fleur de lis, and then they would crop their ears.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/10/now-the-symbol-of-new-orleans-is-considered-racist/#ixzz3fZw3gelG
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So, uh, what do you guys think? I think it is garbage, but that just might be me |
If you read the article, both individuals that make the claim also say that the symbol should not be removed. But, just like the flag became controversial because of some misguided idiot and the media and other organizations that claim not to be racist (/smh, really? with a very sarcastic undertone)... the media/NFL may get hold of this and blow it way out of proportion.
What is happening to the good ole U S of A?
EDIT: Why do people not change with the times? When will mankind progress past stuff like this? Was this act brutal and uncalled for? Yes, I think so. However, it is a part of history (although a painful, heinous, despicable one)... but nonetheless a part of history. This means it happened in the PAST. Let it go. -my 2 pennies
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navysaintsfan
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| Breesus mode wrote: | Alright I don't know where to really put this, but:
http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/10/now-the-symbol-of-new-orleans-is-considered-racist/#ixzz3fWsapZZZ
| Quote: | “As an African I find it painful, and I think people whose ancestors were enslaved here may feel it even harder than I do as an African,” said slave historian Dr. Ibrahima Seck to WWLTV.
He connects the usage of the fleur de lis, to “code noir,” or black code, which was adopted in Louisiana in 1724, and used to govern to state’s slave population.
Seck said a slave caught running away, “would be taken before a court and the sentence would be being branded on one shoulder and with the fleur de lis, and then they would crop their ears.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/10/now-the-symbol-of-new-orleans-is-considered-racist/#ixzz3fZw3gelG
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So, uh, what do you guys think? I think it is garbage, but that just might be me |
As a person of color, I would like to comment non this while not getting overly political. There is a big difference between the confederate battle flag and the Fleur de Lis. Mainly being the flag was founded in part under a regime that was categorized as being in support of slavery, the fleur de lis has been around for much longer and while it may have been used inappropriately, its origins are harmless. See also the swastika. It goes back i believe to ancient Bhuddist culture, as well as being seen in some indigenous cultures. Now, most people only know it because it has been used as a symbol of hatred and genocide. But at its roots, it was a symbols emphasizing good luck/good will. Some still use the symbol today for its intended purpose.
Now, being a Louisiana Creole, I am of decent of the slaves in Louisiana. Do I see something that offends me in the fleur de lis? No. Can I see how it may ruffle some feathers? Yes. Will it end up in the same category of the CFB? I highly doubt it. But, stranger things have happened.
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Fray32
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| NS922 wrote: | | They've still got it twisted though, regardless of what it was eventually used for, its origins of course go back to sometime around the Middle Ages and were just used to represent royalty. It's symbolized after a freaking flower. Most of any usage of it refers to the French monarchy and whatever it was connected to, in this case being Louisiana in the 1700s. It's not like it was created for the sole purpose of branding people. |
I agree with you wholeheartedly, and I'm one of those people who think the Skins should stick by their name/icons so it would be hypocritical for me to say otherwise. However, some food for thought: the swastika started out the exact same way, as well  Innocent origins that were forever stained by a particular usage.
The key difference here is that everyone associates a swastika with the nazis (whether or not that is fair is irrelevant, thats just how it is) whereas, I wasn't aware of this branding business untill just now when I read it, so as you say, the royalty/french association is the dominant symbolism here. So this is a non-issue. |
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