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 Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:25 pm Post subject: Nats/LaRoche Agree to two year contract |
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2013/01/08/adam-laroche-nationals-agree-to-terms/
| Quote: | | The final contract details are not yet known. The original offer LaRoche was weighing was believed to be roughly $25 million. |
Meh I guess I'm ok with it. Means Michael Morse will now almost certainly be traded.
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ramssuperbowl99
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Good deal for the Nats. That's a solid ball club top to bottom.
C - Ramos
1B - LaRoche
2B - Espinosa
SS - Desmond
3B - Zimmerman
LF - Werth
CF - Span
RF - Harper
SP - Strasburg
SP - Zimmerman
SP - Gonzalez
SP - Haren
SP - Detwiler
Nasty.
If the Rays are smart, they'll go get Morse.
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I'm not happy about it. Morse brings more than a bat. He has character and fan appeal. How many other players get an entire stadium to sing his walk up song?
There's a better chance Morse repeats his 2011 season than Laroche repeats 2012.
Morse's bat > Laroche's bat
And frankly, at first base, that's all I care about. A distant second to hitting production is his ability to hold a good conversation at first base. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Slateman wrote: | I'm not happy about it. Morse brings more than a bat. He has character and fan appeal. How many other players get an entire stadium to sing his walk up song?
There's a better chance Morse repeats his 2011 season than Laroche repeats 2012.
Morse's bat > Laroche's bat
And frankly, at first base, that's all I care about. A distant second to hitting production is his ability to hold a good conversation at first base. |
I'm on the same page, I assume the deal was because we felt we didn't have enough lefty pop in the lineup, but personally I thought Harper/Moore could've handled it.
Gotta figure we'll be looking to deal for lefty bullpen help now, not sure what's out there though.
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Maybe they should have different levels of offers for the FA to make it a litle easier for them to get fair market value. Maybe he team only has to give up a 3rd round pick if the player is over the age 30 or 32. And only a first round pick if the player lead the team or league in an imporant stat like WAR or ERA and a second round pick if said player falls in the middle of that. But to get the first round pick the team has to offer $16M for a 2nd its $14.6 and for a third its $13.3.
Any ideas?
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Slateman wrote: | I'm not happy about it. Morse brings more than a bat. He has character and fan appeal. How many other players get an entire stadium to sing his walk up song?
There's a better chance Morse repeats his 2011 season than Laroche repeats 2012.
Morse's bat > Laroche's bat
And frankly, at first base, that's all I care about. A distant second to hitting production is his ability to hold a good conversation at first base. |
I think you're grossly overrating Morse here. He's posted one season with a WAR over 1.1. Even if you don't love WAR, you can at least acknowledge that he's been below-average for much of his career. His BB rate is also trending downward in a hurry, down to 3.3% last year, which is dismal. Combine that with an increasing K rate, and you have a problem. Morse isn't a bad player, but he's probably an OK 1B, whose not as good as LaRoche. The perception that Morse is an above-average player could play big for the Nats if they can ship him off for something pretty.
I do love watching Morse play though, dude takes some big hacks.
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| gofrogs wrote: | Maybe they should have different levels of offers for the FA to make it a litle easier for them to get fair market value. Maybe he team only has to give up a 3rd round pick if the player is over the age 30 or 32. And only a first round pick if the player lead the team or league in an imporant stat like WAR or ERA and a second round pick if said player falls in the middle of that. But to get the first round pick the team has to offer $16M for a 2nd its $14.6 and for a third its $13.3.
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I think we should just award the team that lost a pick, and not penalize the team that signed. Gives small market teams a chance, and doesn't screw over FAs.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| nfldraftguru1 wrote: | | Slateman wrote: | I'm not happy about it. Morse brings more than a bat. He has character and fan appeal. How many other players get an entire stadium to sing his walk up song?
There's a better chance Morse repeats his 2011 season than Laroche repeats 2012.
Morse's bat > Laroche's bat
And frankly, at first base, that's all I care about. A distant second to hitting production is his ability to hold a good conversation at first base. |
I think you're grossly overrating Morse here. He's posted one season with a WAR over 1.1. Even if you don't love WAR, you can at least acknowledge that he's been below-average for much of his career. His BB rate is also trending downward in a hurry, down to 3.3% last year, which is dismal. Combine that with an increasing K rate, and you have a problem. Morse isn't a bad player, but he's probably an OK 1B, whose not as good as LaRoche. The perception that Morse is an above-average player could play big for the Nats if they can ship him off for something pretty.
I do love watching Morse play though, dude takes some big hacks. |
Go from 2010 to 2012 with Morse. He's been a superior hitter. When he's healthy, he's simply a better hitter. By a lot. I'm also expecting Laroche to regress to career norms next season. Probably something like .260 and 23-27 homers.
His BB% has always been low. His BABIP has awlays been high. I don't care. He's in his prime. He mashes. Every time he's gotten substantial playing time, Morse crushes it.
Laroche is well over 30, has a history of injuries as well, and just came off a career year. He will not play like he did last year. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| nfldraftguru1 wrote: | | gofrogs wrote: | Maybe they should have different levels of offers for the FA to make it a litle easier for them to get fair market value. Maybe he team only has to give up a 3rd round pick if the player is over the age 30 or 32. And only a first round pick if the player lead the team or league in an imporant stat like WAR or ERA and a second round pick if said player falls in the middle of that. But to get the first round pick the team has to offer $16M for a 2nd its $14.6 and for a third its $13.3.
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I think we should just award the team that lost a pick, and not penalize the team that signed. Gives small market teams a chance, and doesn't screw over FAs. |
Thats sound like a solid solution something has to be better than this. Lohse and Bourn are getting screwed. Bourne could have got $90M instead he might get a 1 year deal for $10-$12 M, Lohse is ready to get tyhe last big payday of his career not he might have to settle for a minor league deal then sign an extention.
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| gofrogs wrote: | | nfldraftguru1 wrote: | | gofrogs wrote: | Maybe they should have different levels of offers for the FA to make it a litle easier for them to get fair market value. Maybe he team only has to give up a 3rd round pick if the player is over the age 30 or 32. And only a first round pick if the player lead the team or league in an imporant stat like WAR or ERA and a second round pick if said player falls in the middle of that. But to get the first round pick the team has to offer $16M for a 2nd its $14.6 and for a third its $13.3.
Any ideas? |
I think we should just award the team that lost a pick, and not penalize the team that signed. Gives small market teams a chance, and doesn't screw over FAs. |
Thats sound like a solid solution something has to be better than this. Lohse and Bourn are getting screwed. Bourne could have got $90M instead he might get a 1 year deal for $10-$12 M, Lohse is ready to get tyhe last big payday of his career not he might have to settle for a minor league deal then sign an extention. |
Bourn isn't getting a 1 year deal. Every team in baseball would sign him. And Lohse on a minor league deal is hilarious.
Each guy has multi year offers, but hasn't gotten the number they want.
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| ramssuperbowl99 wrote: | | gofrogs wrote: | | nfldraftguru1 wrote: | | gofrogs wrote: | Maybe they should have different levels of offers for the FA to make it a litle easier for them to get fair market value. Maybe he team only has to give up a 3rd round pick if the player is over the age 30 or 32. And only a first round pick if the player lead the team or league in an imporant stat like WAR or ERA and a second round pick if said player falls in the middle of that. But to get the first round pick the team has to offer $16M for a 2nd its $14.6 and for a third its $13.3.
Any ideas? |
I think we should just award the team that lost a pick, and not penalize the team that signed. Gives small market teams a chance, and doesn't screw over FAs. |
Thats sound like a solid solution something has to be better than this. Lohse and Bourn are getting screwed. Bourne could have got $90M instead he might get a 1 year deal for $10-$12 M, Lohse is ready to get tyhe last big payday of his career not he might have to settle for a minor league deal then sign an extention. |
Bourn isn't getting a 1 year deal. Every team in baseball would sign him. And Lohse on a minor league deal is hilarious.
Each guy has multi year offers, but hasn't gotten the number they want. |
Lohse said himself he hasnt had one offer yet. And Bourn could do a Boras "pillow" deal for a year with some language saying he cant be tendered.. And signing a minor league deal is another thing brought up by Lohses agent as a way around the pick. He could sign the minor league deal, then sign a 3 year extention for $16M per. But many think MLB would frown on that but its posssible and far from laughable.
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Nationals are looking for a LHRP and a prospect for Morse.... Seems like Philly, Mariners and Rangers, in that order, seem to match up for those needs.
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| gofrogs wrote: | | Nationals are looking for a LHRP and a prospect for Morse.... Seems like Philly, Mariners and Rangers, in that order, seem to match up for those needs. |
Indians, Rays, and Yankees could use another bat. If Morse is willing to DH. |
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Pretty pricey for an inconsistent hitter. I know he can hit 20-25 HR with around 75-80 RBI, but his inconsistencies aren't worth roughly 12.5 million a year.
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