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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:47 am    Post subject: Ray Guy Elected To American Football Kicking Hall of Fame Reply with quote

It's not the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but it's a step in the right direction.

Thomsonís Guy Elected To American Football Kicking Hall of Fame

The 2009 inductees are:
Ben Agajanian
Pete Gogolak
Ray Guy

The first year of inductees was last year:
Sammy Baugh
George Blanda
Lou Groza
Jan Stenerud
Jim Thorpe
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure that Hall of Fame has 300,000 people coming through the gates every year. What a silly concept.

Ray Guy is not getting into the Pro Football Hall of Fame anytime soon.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"if they wont let us into the real hall of fame....then we will just make our own". Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well to be fair, Sammy Baugh, George Blanda, Lou Groza, Jan Stenerud and Jim Thorpe are all in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Obviously it's not the same thing in Guy's case, but at least he's being honored.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kicking Hall of Fame? Gimme a break.

Punters are people too - Ray Guy should have been the hall long ago.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Purple-Pride07 wrote:
Kicking Hall of Fame? Gimme a break.

Punters are people too - Ray Guy should have been the hall long ago.


It's a damn shame he isn't.

And don't forget, the best punter in college is given the Ray Guy award each year.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

War Room Slayer wrote:
Purple-Pride07 wrote:
Kicking Hall of Fame? Gimme a break.

Punters are people too - Ray Guy should have been the hall long ago.


It's a damn shame he isn't.

And don't forget, the best punter in college is given the Ray Guy award each year.


I mean, there's a reason Ray Guy was a 1st rounder, way back.
He is the most talented kicker period, regardless of sport.
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Purple-Pride07 wrote:
He is the most talented kicker period, regardless of sport.


Actually, Ray Guy isn't even the most talented punter to ever play for the Raiders. That's a fact. Guy averaged 42.4 yards per punt; Shane Lechler averages 46.5 yards per punt. During Guy's career he placed 210 punts inside of the twenty-yard line out of 1049 punts. Lechler, for his part, has placed 184 punts inside the twenty out of 592 punts! That means that Guy pinned the other team insided their twenty only 20% of the time, and Lechler does it 31% of the time. In short, not only does Lechler average over 4 yards more per punt, but he also is much better at preserving field position for his team.
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Kevin wrote:
Purple-Pride07 wrote:
He is the most talented kicker period, regardless of sport.


Actually, Ray Guy isn't even the most talented punter to ever play for the Raiders. That's a fact. Guy averaged 42.4 yards per punt; Shane Lechler averages 46.5 yards per punt. During Guy's career he placed 210 punts inside of the twenty-yard line out of 1049 punts. Lechler, for his part, has placed 184 punts inside the twenty out of 592 punts! That means that Guy pinned the other team insided their twenty only 20% of the time, and Lechler does it 31% of the time. In short, not only does Lechler average over 4 yards more per punt, but he also is much better at preserving field position for his team.


Ray Guy revolutionized the coffin corner.
Pinning a team inside their own 5 yard line was something he was ridiculous at.
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Purple-Pride07 wrote:
Kevin wrote:
Purple-Pride07 wrote:
He is the most talented kicker period, regardless of sport.


Actually, Ray Guy isn't even the most talented punter to ever play for the Raiders. That's a fact. Guy averaged 42.4 yards per punt; Shane Lechler averages 46.5 yards per punt. During Guy's career he placed 210 punts inside of the twenty-yard line out of 1049 punts. Lechler, for his part, has placed 184 punts inside the twenty out of 592 punts! That means that Guy pinned the other team insided their twenty only 20% of the time, and Lechler does it 31% of the time. In short, not only does Lechler average over 4 yards more per punt, but he also is much better at preserving field position for his team.


Ray Guy revolutionized the coffin corner.
Pinning a team inside their own 5 yard line was something he was ridiculous at.


did you not read kevins' post? he clearly backed up the fact that lechler > ray guy and you just ignored it Exclamation
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vikingshomer wrote:
Purple-Pride07 wrote:
Kevin wrote:
Purple-Pride07 wrote:
He is the most talented kicker period, regardless of sport.


Actually, Ray Guy isn't even the most talented punter to ever play for the Raiders. That's a fact. Guy averaged 42.4 yards per punt; Shane Lechler averages 46.5 yards per punt. During Guy's career he placed 210 punts inside of the twenty-yard line out of 1049 punts. Lechler, for his part, has placed 184 punts inside the twenty out of 592 punts! That means that Guy pinned the other team insided their twenty only 20% of the time, and Lechler does it 31% of the time. In short, not only does Lechler average over 4 yards more per punt, but he also is much better at preserving field position for his team.


Ray Guy revolutionized the coffin corner.
Pinning a team inside their own 5 yard line was something he was ridiculous at.


did you not read kevins' post? he clearly backed up the fact that lechler > ray guy and you just ignored it Exclamation


...?

Statistics are meaningless.
Ask any Raiders fan who is even mildly informed on Ray Guy and see if they tell you Lechler is better then him.
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jb_gobills wrote:
Well to be fair, Sammy Baugh, George Blanda, Lou Groza, Jan Stenerud and Jim Thorpe are all in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Obviously it's not the same thing in Guy's case, but at least he's being honored.


All of those guys are in the Hall of Fame for playing different position.

No one cares about the kicking Hall of Fame.
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EAcantdraft wrote:
jb_gobills wrote:
Well to be fair, Sammy Baugh, George Blanda, Lou Groza, Jan Stenerud and Jim Thorpe are all in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Obviously it's not the same thing in Guy's case, but at least he's being honored.


All of those guys are in the Hall of Fame for playing different position.

No one cares about the kicking Hall of Fame.


Stenerud was a pure kicker.
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Purple-Pride07 wrote:
vikingshomer wrote:
Purple-Pride07 wrote:
Kevin wrote:
Purple-Pride07 wrote:
He is the most talented kicker period, regardless of sport.


Actually, Ray Guy isn't even the most talented punter to ever play for the Raiders. That's a fact. Guy averaged 42.4 yards per punt; Shane Lechler averages 46.5 yards per punt. During Guy's career he placed 210 punts inside of the twenty-yard line out of 1049 punts. Lechler, for his part, has placed 184 punts inside the twenty out of 592 punts! That means that Guy pinned the other team insided their twenty only 20% of the time, and Lechler does it 31% of the time. In short, not only does Lechler average over 4 yards more per punt, but he also is much better at preserving field position for his team.


Ray Guy revolutionized the coffin corner.
Pinning a team inside their own 5 yard line was something he was ridiculous at.


did you not read kevins' post? he clearly backed up the fact that lechler > ray guy and you just ignored it Exclamation


...?

Statistics are meaningless.
Ask any Raiders fan who is even mildly informed on Ray Guy and see if they tell you Lechler is better then him.


Lechler is statistically better. That doesnt take away from how great Ray Guy was. Not only was he undoubtedly the best punter of his generation, he's vastly underrated as one of the best kickoff artists of all time.

He should've been in the hall years ago

Ray Guy was surgical with a football. Possibly the best placement of the ball of all time. Remember what Mike Scifres did against the Colts in the playoffs? Ray Guy made a career out of that kind of placement
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jb_gobills wrote:
EAcantdraft wrote:
jb_gobills wrote:
Well to be fair, Sammy Baugh, George Blanda, Lou Groza, Jan Stenerud and Jim Thorpe are all in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Obviously it's not the same thing in Guy's case, but at least he's being honored.


All of those guys are in the Hall of Fame for playing different position.

No one cares about the kicking Hall of Fame.


Stenerud was a pure kicker.


Yes, and he was not a punter (different position than Guy). Stenerud had an direct impact on every single game he played in. Punters don't.
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