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WindyCity


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:30 am    Post subject: Think Tank: Fixing The Defense Reply with quote

Lets put our minds together and think of what we can do to fix the defence outside of firing Tucker because that is not happening.

-Play Bostic, our LB core is so epically slow he has to play because he is the only one with play making speed.

-Bench Hayden, he is constantly getting torched [Harvin, Lee, Brown].

-Press on 3rd down, play Fuller and Tillman on the outside and press the hell out of the WRs.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where to start…

There is no doubt the run D has improved…we held PHI to 4.2 YPC…JAX to 3.3 YPC…& SEA to 3.8 YPC…which considering we gave up 5.3 YPC last year is a major improvement…that IMO is mainly down to a much improved DL…behind it we have major problems…

I would stay out of man coverage as if my life depended on it…bottom line is Briggs & Williams have lost all the speed that once made them great LBs so can’t cover RBs out the backfield or TEs and when we end up with 3 LBs on the field against a 3 receiver set it’s McClellin who ends up covering the slot on many occasions which is a major problem…Peanut can’t run with top quality speed anymore and even Jennings looks sluggish…Hayden again isn’t keeping up with quicker WRs…we have zero team speed if we line up with a back 7 of Briggs, Williams, McClellin, Tillman, Jennings, McCray & Mundy…

To fix that and improve the pass D but also keep the run D ticking over I would stay in Nickel as much as humanly possible so I could get as much speed as I could on the field…I would start Bostic over Williams…keep Briggs in for his experience and leadership…play Fuller as a permanent LCB and Tillman as a Permanent RCB…I would then rotate Jennings off of the slot receiver and play him in a hybrid safety role allowing Ryan Mundy to play closer to the LOS to give us an extra man in the box when we need it but also a guy who in New York spent a lot of time in 3 Safety sets covering slot receivers then have McCray playing over the top a FS and line up in a press Cover 3 as much as I could…sure drop in a few blitzes from Bostic, Jennings & Mundy all of whom should have the speed to pressurise the QB but mainly stay in a bend don’t break package…it’s not ideal but with the talent we have it’s about the best way to not have points racked up on us until we get to next offseason and can add some more talent and speed...

After this year I think we are looking for at the very least 3 new starters in the back 7 alone…Bostic should move to WLB…Fuller at LCB…Jennings at NB…Mundy at SS…those are the only 4 I see starting next year…finding a starting MLB, CB & FS isn’t going to be easy.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have a slow defense overall. So if we are not facing a long passing situation the I would like to bring the SS up more (HB side if off either way), start with a 1 high and go with a Cover 3. Then if we can generate pressure with 4 or have one blitzing backer added, then we should be able to negate some of the speed woes with physicality. A lot of Wilson's passes we short with extra YAC, dump offs to the RB, Harvin etc.

When we go to passing situations our DL should be Allen, Ratliff, Houston, Young. Sutton and Ferguson will have to rotate in, but this should be the base for passing downs. This also allows us about as much speed on the DL for mobile QBs. They are our best pass rushers and on obvious passing situations we need to rely on them and not be afraid of stunts. When facing mobile QBs like Wilson (and not in a nickel for some reason) I would actually like to see Young and Allen starting wide like 9's to try and use their acceleration to help them contain the QB. If the QB escapes in the B gap then we should have 2 LBs keeping him from scraping out and have the MIKE playing right in the middle. For obvious passing situations like this I actually want Lance in the middle, and let more athletic Bostic and Shea on the outside. Wiliams can switch with Briggs, but they need to have a limited range to cover, they're just not athletic enough to cover HBs or TEs like Urlacher was. Finally, we just need to swarm and prevent YAC.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madmike90 wrote:


After this year I think we are looking for at the very least 3 new starters in the back 7 alone…Bostic should move to WLB…Fuller at LCB…Jennings at NB…Mundy at SS…those are the only 4 I see starting next year…finding a starting MLB, CB & FS isn’t going to be easy.


We actually share some main thoughts.

Now what do you think about giving Jones a shot at MLB? He would be the most physical player against the run there we've had in a while, and can blitz up the middle too.

I actually think we might draft another CB in the first next year. It would be nice to have another physical CB who can bump and play tall WRs.

I'd still give Trestman free reign to draft a QB with the second if he really thought the guy could be the face of the franchise, let him develop two years in the system and let Jay loose after his third year to invest in the team where it may be needed. If there isn't a guy he deems worth the pick then the best safety or MLB would be a great pick up. I want a thumper for either honestly, but if we can get a center-fielder I wouldn't shy from it, and let Vareen work on adding 10 pounds and make the move to SS. The back two would at least have some solid speed.

If Williams doesn't pan out or stay healthy, then I would spend a 5th on a returner if I really believed they had the speed and vision to make some plays. If they can double as a scat back or a slot WR, great, but this is the goal I want for him. To be a return specialist who can break away when they field is open for them.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sugashane wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:


After this year I think we are looking for at the very least 3 new starters in the back 7 alone…Bostic should move to WLB…Fuller at LCB…Jennings at NB…Mundy at SS…those are the only 4 I see starting next year…finding a starting MLB, CB & FS isn’t going to be easy.


We actually share some main thoughts.

Now what do you think about giving Jones a shot at MLB? He would be the most physical player against the run there we've had in a while, and can blitz up the middle too.

I actually think we might draft another CB in the first next year. It would be nice to have another physical CB who can bump and play tall WRs.

I'd still give Trestman free reign to draft a QB with the second if he really thought the guy could be the face of the franchise, let him develop two years in the system and let Jay loose after his third year to invest in the team where it may be needed. If there isn't a guy he deems worth the pick then the best safety or MLB would be a great pick up. I want a thumper for either honestly, but if we can get a center-fielder I wouldn't shy from it, and let Vareen work on adding 10 pounds and make the move to SS. The back two would at least have some solid speed.

If Williams doesn't pan out or stay healthy, then I would spend a 5th on a returner if I really believed they had the speed and vision to make some plays. If they can double as a scat back or a slot WR, great, but this is the goal I want for him. To be a return specialist who can break away when they field is open for them.


I think Jones is best suited for the SLB spot…he has the size to cover TEs down the field as well as to rush the passer from the outside…at this point I would start him over McClellin if we stay in a base formation because it’s simply not working for Shea…there is only so much you can do for a guy and I think we are pretty near the end of the line…I think his future in the NFL is in a 3-4 D the way Philly uses Connor Barwin…

I agree that a CB could very well be our #1 draft pick next year…I would love a guy like PJ Williams who brings not only the athletic ability to play CB but a real physicality…him and Fuller could be a special pairing…
I think we are a year too early to draft a QB high…in the 2016 draft we should be looking to take a QB within the first two rounds…let him sit for a year then take over which would give Trestman plenty of time to groom him but also let us focus on the D in 2015…

I personally think Brock Vereen’s future is at the nickel CB spot where he can be used as a hybrid CB/S…

We don’t have a 5th round pick this year but you can pick up at least solid returners in the 6th or 7th round…this year has just been a joke on special teams so far and if it continues I can’t see DeCamillis coming back.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing I can say about the defense last night that I didn't think I would be saying after last season, I do NOT think Mel Tucker's scheme or coaching is the problem.

In fact, I think for the most part, we were in very good positions to make plays, but due to deficiencies in speed/talent, the players just didn't make them. If an NFL player misses a tackle he was in position to make, there's not really much a coach can do about that, he only has the players he's been given to work with.

Unfortunately, I think we will have to change up how Tucker would like to run his defense to try to make up for a lack of speed in the back 7. I think he'll probably get a lot of criticism this year again, when I don't think it will be because of him.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bkokot wrote:
One thing I can say about the defense last night that I didn't think I would be saying after last season, I do NOT think Mel Tucker's scheme or coaching is the problem.

In fact, I think for the most part, we were in very good positions to make plays, but due to deficiencies in speed/talent, the players just didn't make them. If an NFL player misses a tackle he was in position to make, there's not really much a coach can do about that, he only has the players he's been given to work with.

Unfortunately, I think we will have to change up how Tucker would like to run his defense to try to make up for a lack of speed in the back 7. I think he'll probably get a lot of criticism this year again, when I don't think it will be because of him.


Very good point.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main thing I took away was that the defense is old and slow.

As much as I want to hate Tucker, he did not make Briggs, Williams, and Tillman get old and slow.

The truth is this regime inherited an aging and declining defense and it will take time for them to fix the issues, because they had to invest in fixing an offense that was devoid of talent.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talent wise the Bears are still a year away on D. Wish Tucker could salvage the D. Cut Shea already. Not sure what realistically can be done at this point but on the bright side Willie Young looks like a good add.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing I'd just like to say is I dont know why we were in man coverage so much last night. But it clearly wasnt working. Now maybe Mel was just trying to see the individual matchups a little clearer. That's fine. But we clearly cant be doing that week 1.

Playing Bostic is absolutely number 1 on the list. We're actually getting some nice pass rush which definitely didnt happen last year. Even without Allen,Houston and Young were in the backfield constantly. Maybe we can mix this thread with how do we fix special teams?

I'm not going to freak out too much from this game. But if were getting torched by EJ Manuel week 1 then that's probably a reason to worry.
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These are the main scheduled to be FAs I’m keeping an eye on in terms of talent, price & fit for us…

DT…Adrian Clayborn…26 years old…has had some injury problems but he fits the mold of the bigger DE we seem to want much in the way Houston does…would like to see him play inside on passing downs.

DT…Terrance Knighton…28 years old…elite run stuffer when his motor is on who sets the tone for the rest of the D…would help our LBs immensely.

DT…Jurrell Casey…24 years old…if Casey hits FA we would have to pay out a lot to get him but his talent would be worth it.

LB…Nate Irving…26 years old…young athletic LB who still has upside but has been stifled a little in Denver…a fresh start could be just what he needs.

LB…K.J Wright…25 years old…another young athletic LB who could excel playing the WLB position.

CB…Chris Culliver…26 years old…has had his off-field problems but is talented, athletic and versatile.

CB…Byron Maxwell…26 years old…the other man in the LoB…Maxwell is a talent on his own.

S…Devin McCourty…27 years old…McCourty would be the centerfielder we have lacks for a long time…I’m always weary of spending big on FA safeties but the depth of talent just isn’t great this year across the board.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
The main thing I took away was that the defense is old and slow.

As much as I want to hate Tucker, he did not make Briggs, Williams, and Tillman get old and slow.

The truth is this regime inherited an aging and declining defense and it will take time for them to fix the issues, because they had to invest in fixing an offense that was devoid of talent.


Thursday night I watch the Steelers D get decimated by Philly…in many ways their D is similar to ours…a lot of the big name players from the glory days like Hampton, Harrison & Woodley are gone and their drafts have never really replaced those guys talent level and they still have some vets near the end of the line like Polamalu, Taylor & Keisel…

If both us & the Steelers struggle this year I bet the Media will report a lot of the problems are down to Tucker…I also bet no one says a word about LeBeau lol.
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Someone correct me on this if I'm wrong, but hasn't Briggs traditionally been pretty lazy about the preseason?
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bkokot wrote:
Someone correct me on this if I'm wrong, but hasn't Briggs traditionally been pretty lazy about the preseason?


There’s laziness but him getting outran to the corner by Wilson for a TD wasn’t a lazy play…it was just one where he didn’t have the legs to get there...he still made a couple of plays between the tackles tho.
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I'd like to get Jared Allen back and I'd like for everyone to stop worrying about the preseason. In 2011, Tillman looked like he was done. In 2012, he forced a million fumbles. The Bears admitted that they did next to no game planning for the game yesterday. I'll be more worried if Sammy Watkins and Frank Gore have their way.
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