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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:31 am    Post subject: Seattle's Needs Reply with quote

Trying to figure out who might be available for Dallas in the draft by the process of elimination.

So what are the top 5 needs, in order, for Seattle this off-season?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ideally...
we are looking to play against a Tony Romo type in a place kick holding role everygame. Preferably when the game is on the line. I won't be picky but a playoff type atomosphere would be welcomed.

This description applies to all 5 of our needs (in that order).

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

QB: Set
RB: Set, maybe a late round/UDFA flyer unless clear BPA
WR: Unless we can get a game changer, it's a day 3 need
TE: Set
OT: Need a backup who could eventually take over for Okung ideally.
OG/OC: Need at least 1 starter, maybe 2

LE: With Bennett, Marsh, and Scruggs, we're set
UT/NT: day 3 need
LEO: We need depth

SLB: Day 3 need with Irvin on his last year
MLB/WLB: Set. Maybe depth

CB: As of now, just a day 3 need
FS/SS: Depth
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of Seattle needs are pure prospects or depth (except for WR and inside OL, where we need players that can start in 1 year max).

I don't think Seattle will be gunning for a starter in the OL spot. However this is a team need. I believe Seahawks will spend two mid round OLs in this deep class.

Graham doesn't negate the dire need of a WR and I believe they will address the no later than the 4rd round and probably will take 2 or 3 receivers in this draft. Graham just negate the size needed to add at receiver.

Good year to need WR/OL. Lots of outstanding talent on rounds 3 through 5.

LEO/DT is a dire need. We're short on depth here. Expect them to spend most of their picks in defensive linemen. Like 3 or 4 picks out of eleven.

With the signings of Cary Williams and Will Blackmon, I think Seattle will take the traditional mid-to-late pick on a project CB (maybe a WR convert)

LB is a need as Irvin's contract is up in 2016 and they need insurance in case they can't afford his contract.

I believe they will take a safety and a TE too. Safety for depth, TE for long term.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing special about Scruggs to me, he's so pedestrian. I thought he had the upside, but that was a while ago an he always seems a game away from an injury. I don't think his presence matters for how set we are at DE, we may want to look at one in the mid rounds to compete in the rotation.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tatupu_64 wrote:
QB: Set
RB: Set, maybe a late round/UDFA flyer unless clear BPA
WR: Unless we can get a game changer, it's a day 3 need
TE: Set
OT: Need a backup who could eventually take over for Okung ideally.
OG/OC: Need at least 1 starter, maybe 2

LE: With Bennett, Marsh, and Scruggs, we're set
UT/NT: day 3 need
LEO: We need depth

SLB: Day 3 need with Irvin on his last year
MLB/WLB: Set. Maybe depth

CB: As of now, just a day 3 need
FS/SS: Depth


Unless you believe Chris Matthews can repeat what he did in the SB, how is WR a day 3 need?

We are as desperately thin at WR as we've ever been. Love Kearse but he's a 3-4. Baldwin is also a #3 and best suited to the slot.

Graham helps a lot, but they're desperate for a 1-2 WR.

Unless they sign Wiz we need 2 starters along the OL, and agree on need for a LT of the future.

Scruggs is as likely to be cut as make the team and Marsh looked good but is still very unknown. Bringing in CJ Wilson for a visit confirms they want help there.

LEO is a huge need, I don't think Irvin is here long term. Too much $, not enough production and he's a meat head.

Love to see them get a legit return guy. Blackmon is a big help, but a star returner would be great.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sirensong wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
QB: Set
RB: Set, maybe a late round/UDFA flyer unless clear BPA
WR: Unless we can get a game changer, it's a day 3 need
TE: Set
OT: Need a backup who could eventually take over for Okung ideally.
OG/OC: Need at least 1 starter, maybe 2

LE: With Bennett, Marsh, and Scruggs, we're set
UT/NT: day 3 need
LEO: We need depth

SLB: Day 3 need with Irvin on his last year
MLB/WLB: Set. Maybe depth

CB: As of now, just a day 3 need
FS/SS: Depth


Unless you believe Chris Matthews can repeat what he did in the SB, how is WR a day 3 need?

We are as desperately thin at WR as we've ever been. Love Kearse but he's a 3-4. Baldwin is also a #3 and best suited to the slot.

Graham helps a lot, but they're desperate for a 1-2 WR.

Unless they sign Wiz we need 2 starters along the OL, and agree on need for a LT of the future.

Scruggs is as likely to be cut as make the team and Marsh looked good but is still very unknown. Bringing in CJ Wilson for a visit confirms they want help there.

LEO is a huge need, I don't think Irvin is here long term. Too much $, not enough production and he's a meat head.

Love to see them get a legit return guy. Blackmon is a big help, but a star returner would be great.
did you bother to actually read my
Post? We don't need more average WRs. We need a top talent. Unless that guy is available, there's no point in spending a second or third round pick on a role player. Id love a true number 1, but I don't think we'll have that luxury

I like Marsh a lot so to me I don't care too much who our 3rd LDE is, it'll be a guy who can also play UT

A legit return guy could be HUGE for us. Field position was our enemy because of it last year
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not agree with Tatupu. WR is a need, since our best receiver late in the last season was Paul Richardson and he's likely to red shirt a la NaVorro Bowman this season. Outside of Richardson, we have no better than a very good slot receiver in Baldwin, two possession receiver prospects in Norwood and Mathews (but these guys are probably redundant with Graham around), and a vertical threat in Kearse. Lockette and Walters were released.

Kearse is the closest we got to a deep threat in the absence of Richardson. We can upgrade that. There is also nothing at this roster remotely close to a proven all around receiver at any level (fast guy that can go deep, make contested catches in traffic, get separation on short/intermediate routes). You don't target that with at least a 4th.

These are two serious holes in our roster.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lockette is on the roster.

Richardson is 50-50 to start the year, the chances of him not playing at all are a lot less likely than you're conveniently trying to argue. The perceived progression of Norwood and Mathews will be what the FO needs to judge most in this scenario

I also am unsure of how both of you have read what I said as WR not being a need. I said we don't need average WR's, we need a #1 WR or a great #2. If there's a game-changer available in the 2nd round somehow, then we should take a hard look at him. Other than that, there's no reason to spend a 2nd or 3rd on a guy who is just going to be solid
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to agree that Seahawks are better off marginal talent at WR position. What I argued here, was that, while it might not be possible to draft Dez Bryant or Antonio Brown, we still only have one-dimensional receivers, and the closest to a guy that can go deep and run intermediate routes was Paul Richardson, but still, at 185, I don't believe he can take the intermediate routes without hurting himself again.

But let's face the issue of this draft:

Guys like Ty Sambraillo and Ali Marpet (top 2 inside linemen graded for lat rd2-early rd3) aren't exactly sure fire starters. Ty Sambraillo lacks elite size and athleticism and need to bulk up. Ali Marpet is a small school guy and isn't likely to make a smooth transition to NFL. I know for a fact they won't start over either Bailey or Lewis this season, unless Bailey pulls a Bowie and show up on camp fat and stiff. Marpet is well built to both G/C spots, that's a thing Seattle need to gun for (linemen able to be bred for what the line needs from him), I definitely wouldn't complain about him being picked at 63. Thing is: if we can't draft a game changer at WR, we won't draft a line changer too.

I also really think Bailey is improvement over Carpenter and Lewis has played ok in the absence of Unger. And with all the good backup play (specially from Bailey), they deserve their shot starting at a prime spot. I expect Britt to look better next season, and Sweezy is slowly developing into a good guard. Our line will likely to be better at most spots than last season outside of C play. These guys won't just come in and sneak in the line up. They'd have to be outstanding to even get there - highly unlikely given the amount of work they need on.

While I agree Seattle needs to draft 2 or 3 offensive linemen, I don't think they need to come from high picks. We're far more likely to find instant upgrade at WRs and rotation edge rushers at 63 and 95, than at OL. The need for big talent at OL is real? It is. The potential (only thing Seattle seeks in drafting OL) difference between a late 5th and a late 2nd, when talking about OL is small.

But on the other hand, try to compare the talent level drop off from a late second to a late 5th at LEO. Try to compare the readiness of a receiver in the late 2nd and late 5th.

That's where I disagree with you. OL is not a rd2 need. It's a rd4 or rd5 need. We need instant upgrade at WR and rotation DLmen. That commodities are expensive in the draft. Far more expensive than athletic and coachable project OLinemen. Then I get to agree with you, how Seattle evaluates the development
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sort of agree with your thinking on OL, but Bailey hasn't proven consistently at guard and Lewis is still a wildcard. I wont be upset if that's our starting OL heading into the year, and I have said as much, but I wont be excited about it either. Worst case scenario if we draft a guy like Marpett is he can eventually take over for Bailey or Lewis when one leaves in FA. Lewis to me is a guy who needs to be replaced. We can't look at WR and say we only have marginal talent and say that needs instant improvement when we only had marginal play at 3 OL spots last year

In my dream world, Jake Fisher or Cedric Ogbuehi will be available at 63. Both are guys that can be future LT's. Ogbuehi has played really well at Guard before and Fisher reminds me of a less nasty long. Unfortunately neither will likely be available
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think Fishher will be outside of top 40. Cam Erving is more likely than him. Ogu is possible, but is he a fit At ZBS? If one of those fall to 63, I take it. I'm also a pro trade-down/reach guy. I would reach for both Tre McBride and Ali Marpet too. I would understand any OL-oriented pick and endorse it. I just think draft OL, this high, doesn't maximize the value of the pick. On the other hand, it would be a wonderful deram having all-pro OL talent At Erving/Fisher for once.
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Ogu is possible, but is he a fit At ZBS?

...I just think draft OL, this high, doesn't maximize the value of the pick. On the other hand, it would be a wonderful deram having all-pro OL talent At Erving/Fisher for once.
He's a tremendous athlete with great quickness, I'm sure he'd do great in a ZBS

Erving might not, but Fisher and even Ogu (if he checks out healthy) are great value for us. They're immediate starter types at Guard and are the LT of the future
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Must read write-up about Seahawks history on drafting OL under Cable, the OL options throughout the draft, cap issues and about the complementary picks.

Rob Station from SeahawksDraftBlog wrote:


Seahawks will find O-line options so appealing


Rob Crisp — seriously underrated

What do the Seahawks want in an offensive lineman? It’s a tough one. They’ve pretty much gone after everything since Tom Cable arrived in Seattle:

— The converted defensive lineman, brimming with athleticism (Sweezy)
— The every-man, blue collar ‘no thrills’ type (Moffitt)
— A hulking, massive run blocker with length and power (Carpenter)
— The street fighter with a wrestling background, full of potential but raw (Britt)

We do know they like tackle converts or at least players with experience playing multiple positions. Size and length is attractive but not exclusive. There seems to be a lot more wiggle room on the O-line than other positions.

Cable picks his guys and uses a broad canvas.

I do think they maintain certain ideals, however. They run a zone blocking scheme with a power element, meaning size is as important as mobility. It’s not a small O-line like you traditionally see in the ZBS. Across the NFL teams are searching for athletic linemen to counter the influx of incredible athletes playing defense in college.

Seattle needs to fill two holes at center and left guard. I suspect it’d be counterproductive to move Britt inside. You’d be adding to the upheaval. Instead of two changes to the O-line you’ve got three. If Britt doesn’t work out at guard you wasted a year of development at right tackle and run the risk of a musical-chairs situation up front.

Draft a guard. Draft a center. Get to work.

The options in this draft class practically encourage that sentiment.

You can pinpoint an appealing prospect with every Seahawks pick between rounds 2-5. We’re talking possible week one starters too. After all, Seattle started J.R. Sweezy as a 7th round rookie project in 2012. That didn’t end well but no rookie drafted in this class is likely to face the same level of adjustment (switching from defense to offense in a matter of weeks).

At #63 I still believe Colorado State’s Ty Sambrailo makes a ton of sense. When I spoke to Tony Pauline last week he insisted he won’t be available in round three and would provide terrific value in the late second. For me he’s a plug-in-and-play guard for this scheme. He has the size to fill Carpenter’s massive void, the mobility for the ZBS and the desire to get to the second level. He’s not the finished article but he has as much upside for this scheme as anyone in the draft. I suspect the Seahawks like prospects that aren’t considered the finished article — they want room to grow and develop within their setup. Sambrailo fits the bill as an athletic tackle convert.

Guard and center are the biggest needs right now — but that doesn’t mean the Seahawks have to go that way with their first pick. I suspect they’ll be enamored with receiver Tyler Lockett. He’s a gritty character guy with superb playmaking ability. He just knows how to get open, consistently makes big plays and has underrated lower body power and spirit. He’s also a week one punt/kick returner — carrying added value. If he’s there at #63 he might be difficult to pass up. That puts the O-line focus on the middle rounds.

I think the Seahawks would be quite comfortable in that scenario. Lockett is a terrific player with instant impact potential in the return game. The Seahawks have gone early and often on the O-line since 2012 and yet their biggest success story so far is the 7th rounder spent on Sweezy. A cluster of athletic scheme fits in the mid-to-late rounds open up the possibility of passing on a Sambrailo (for example) at #63, even if it’s an attractive option at the biggest need position.

This piece by Zach Whitman for Rotoworld highlights the more athletic linemen in the draft. You can see some familiar names on his list.

Ali Marpet is, according to Whitman, the most dynamic athlete among offensive linemen in the 2015 draft. He notes: “If a player is in the 50th percentile, they rate as a perfectly average NFL athlete.” Marpet is in the 96th percentile. He might be raw and untested against top-level college opponents — but he’s a heck of a ball of clay ready to mold. He’s also an ascending talent. The small-school aspect will be off-putting to some and for that reason he maybe lasts a little longer than he should. It equally won’t be a shock if he goes in round two.

Almost every week we learn something new and interesting about the guy. Today it’s this: “Ali’’s father, Bill, is an Emmy-winning director and cinematographer who is considered THE LEADING producer of fashion videos in New York.”

Who knew?

It might be unlikely, but a double dip of Sambrailo and Marpet would offer a real injection of upside, size and athleticism to Seattle’s interior line. You’d be looking at the most athletic interior in the NFL when you throw Sweezy into the mix.

As you run down Whitman’s list you notice Laurence Gibson at #4 — a legit later round option. He has one year of tackle experience at Virginia Tech but exploded at the combine with size, length and athleticism. He’s one to watch for sure as a tackle project — especially if Seattle has to consider moving on from Russell Okung in the future.

Rob Crisp is a little further down — a player we’ve talked about a lot since the start of the college season. He’s enormous in terms of length and he’s a plus athlete. For me there’s no reason to think he can’t play left tackle at the next level. He shut down Vic Beasley in a way nobody else did in college football. He’s a tremendous, highly underrated prospect.

San Diego State’s Terry Poole tests well and has genuine guard/center size with tackle experience in college (boxes ticked). He’s big but has a nice squat frame. You could easily see him enjoying a long career at guard.

Mitch Morse is number five on Whitman’s list. A close friend of Justin Britt, Morse is highly athletic and also has experience at tackle. He has identical size to Max Unger and could kick inside to play center as a fourth round project. Stranger things have happened. He’d also make a nice option at guard.

We ran through some of the center prospects the other day. The options are deep and rich:

B.J. Finney — really solid if unspectacular, has the wrestling background Tom Cable likes
Andy Gallik — superb second level blocker, street fighter, lacks ideal size
Hroniss Grasu — ideal zone blocker, big time leader and technician
Shaq Mason — drive blocker although hard to project working in the triple option
Max Garcia — some don’t like him but I do as a project, did well at Senior Bowl, hit and miss and not the most mobile.

You could realistically get Finney, Gallik or Grasu in the middle rounds, with Mason and Garcia available later on. There’s really no reason why any of the first three names cannot start in 2015.

Filling spots on the O-line with cheap rookies will be vital as the team manages it’s cap situation and begins to pay more of the storied veterans. You could be paying a second, third or fourth round salary to a starter for the next four years. That’s big.

It’s probably one of the main reasons the Seahawks are busy adding veteran defensive line depth having already added Cary Williams and Will Blackmon to the secondary. The best depth and value in rounds 2-5 is going to come on the O-line and at wide receiver. Getting five players at both positions in the middle rounds shouldn’t be ruled out. They’ve got the picks.

Quite frankly if they can’t find a couple of guys to fill these two most pressing needs on the O-line, it’ll be an upset. The sheer depth of options and the vast quantity of picks equates to a perfect storm. They select four times between the end of the third and the close of the fourth. Even if neither hole at guard or center is filled at #63 because they’ve taken a prospect like Lockett, they’ll still have many opportunities to feel very good about the situation up front.

Meanwhile, it’s only a small update — but we’ll take it. Jim Thomas from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch isn’t expecting any imminent news on Stefen Wisniewski.

And finally — the compensatory picks were announced today. Seattle received the four we expected. However, Breno Giacomini only netted a 6th rounder and not the projected 5th rounder. It means they gain one extra fourth, a fifth and two sixth’s — taking the overall total to eleven picks:

1st round — Jimmy Graham
2nd round — original pick
3rd round — original pick
4th round — from New Orleans (Unger)
4th round — original pick
4th round — compensatory pick
5th round — original pick
5th round — compensatory pick
6th round — from New York Jets (Harvin)
6th round — Marcus Burley
6th round — compensatory pick
6th round — compensatory pick
7th round — original pick
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