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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 10:43 pm Post subject: Our OL line is NOT a weakness. The one thing they need is |
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Continuity.
We have the right pieces in place, and I'm tired of seeing people clamoring for replacing everyone after they have a bad year (or a bad rookie year after switching from DT, c'mon guys! Cable handpicked this guy). We just need to give these guys some continuity. Do you think San Fran moved on from Anthony Davis after two pretty horrible years? No, and they got pro bowl caliber play from him in year 3. Pretty silly to write Sweezy, Breno, or even Carpenter off already.
These guys just need the most important thing, which is cohesion, they already have the athleticism and talent. Just give them time! There's a reason we haven't burned high picks on lineman, we don't need them! JS even stated in his press conference that they thought the only need was DT.... which Jordan Hill solved.
Article to help back up my statement:
http://seahawksdraftblog.com/why-seattle-is-done-pumping-high-picks-into-the-o-line
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Tooki 
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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The issue is that there is no certainty with the OG position.
LT and C are locked down by Pro Bowlers. Breno is ok at RT and isn't an issue right now. He was also not helped by having a turnstile next to him at RG.
James Carpenter will be a starting LG if healthy BUT how do we know that he will be healthy? Paul McQ is a great versatile backup but a crummy starting OG. John Moffitt has lost weight (watch the latest Real Rob Report) but he needs to be more committed. JR Sweezy has a lot of improving to do, but he came in knowing nothing so the only way for him is up.
That's why we think that the interior line is bad. There is no certainty at this point in time, only optimism. _________________
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Tooki wrote: | The issue is that there is no certainty with the OG position.
LT and C are locked down by Pro Bowlers. Breno is ok at RT and isn't an issue right now. He was also not helped by having a turnstile next to him at RG.
James Carpenter will be a starting LG if healthy BUT how do we know that he will be healthy? Paul McQ is a great versatile backup but a crummy starting OG. John Moffitt has lost weight (watch the latest Real Rob Report) but he needs to be more committed. JR Sweezy has a lot of improving to do, but he came in knowing nothing so the only way for him is up.
That's why we think that the interior line is bad. There is no certainty at this point in time, only optimism. |
And you realize the interior line was really only bad at pass pro. They were pretty darn good at run blocking............. |
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Tooki 
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| pen15clubmember wrote: | | Tooki wrote: | The issue is that there is no certainty with the OG position.
LT and C are locked down by Pro Bowlers. Breno is ok at RT and isn't an issue right now. He was also not helped by having a turnstile next to him at RG.
James Carpenter will be a starting LG if healthy BUT how do we know that he will be healthy? Paul McQ is a great versatile backup but a crummy starting OG. John Moffitt has lost weight (watch the latest Real Rob Report) but he needs to be more committed. JR Sweezy has a lot of improving to do, but he came in knowing nothing so the only way for him is up.
That's why we think that the interior line is bad. There is no certainty at this point in time, only optimism. |
And you realize the interior line was really only bad at pass pro. They were pretty darn good at run blocking............. |
They were good at run blocking but that doesn't excuse the issues in pass protection. _________________
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| Tooki wrote: | | pen15clubmember wrote: | | Tooki wrote: | The issue is that there is no certainty with the OG position.
LT and C are locked down by Pro Bowlers. Breno is ok at RT and isn't an issue right now. He was also not helped by having a turnstile next to him at RG.
James Carpenter will be a starting LG if healthy BUT how do we know that he will be healthy? Paul McQ is a great versatile backup but a crummy starting OG. John Moffitt has lost weight (watch the latest Real Rob Report) but he needs to be more committed. JR Sweezy has a lot of improving to do, but he came in knowing nothing so the only way for him is up.
That's why we think that the interior line is bad. There is no certainty at this point in time, only optimism. |
And you realize the interior line was really only bad at pass pro. They were pretty darn good at run blocking............. |
They were good at run blocking but that doesn't excuse the issues in pass protection. |
Fair enough. I just think pass pro will come with time, picking up blitzes and ish like that. |
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Tatupu_64 
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 12:14 am Post subject: |
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Continuity is big for any OL. What would be just as big is Carp staying healthy. He'd be a consistent starter at LG for us. _________________
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Plush
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 12:46 am Post subject: |
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The complaint for guard is they can't stay healthy. Nobody ever said out guard play was really bad, just inconsistent and injured. What's crap is our guard (its mega crap)depth, so yes, more moves should have been made this offseason.
Jr sweezy starting last year was a joke, and you can't compare a one year position project to a first round talent from a pro style offense at rutgers. Sweezy can be allowed to develop, and later on maybe start. But you can't develop and start a player at the same time, especially that raw. Which was the mistake last year.
Finally, just because something is serviceable, doesn't mean we shouldn't look to improve on it. Like we do with every other position |
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Plush wrote: | The complaint for guard is they can't stay healthy. Nobody ever said out guard play was really bad, just inconsistent and injured. What's crap is our guard (its mega crap)depth, so yes, more moves should have been made this offseason.
Jr sweezy starting last year was a joke, and you can't compare a one year position project to a first round talent from a pro style offense at rutgers. Sweezy can be allowed to develop, and later on maybe start. But you can't develop and start a player at the same time, especially that raw. Which was the mistake last year.
Finally, just because something is serviceable, doesn't mean we shouldn't look to improve on it. Like we do with every other position |
You can't just write off Sweezy after his rookie year like some did to Unger. Rookies improve, especially the ones who are DT converts with athleticism coached by Tom Cable. Why should we pump high picks in the O-line when it will take them time to develop continuity as well.
The Hawks clearly like our talent, as they stated the only need they felt they had was DT. You guys underestimate Sweezy, he started for a reason, and if it was because our guards sucked then it probably would've been addressed earlier. |
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Tooki 
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| pen15clubmember wrote: | | Plush wrote: | The complaint for guard is they can't stay healthy. Nobody ever said out guard play was really bad, just inconsistent and injured. What's crap is our guard (its mega crap)depth, so yes, more moves should have been made this offseason.
Jr sweezy starting last year was a joke, and you can't compare a one year position project to a first round talent from a pro style offense at rutgers. Sweezy can be allowed to develop, and later on maybe start. But you can't develop and start a player at the same time, especially that raw. Which was the mistake last year.
Finally, just because something is serviceable, doesn't mean we shouldn't look to improve on it. Like we do with every other position |
You can't just write off Sweezy after his rookie year like some did to Unger. Rookies improve, especially the ones who are DT converts with athleticism coached by Tom Cable. Why should we pump high picks in the O-line when it will take them time to develop continuity as well.
The Hawks clearly like our talent, as they stated the only need they felt they had was DT. You guys underestimate Sweezy, he started for a reason, and if it was because our guards sucked then it probably would've been addressed earlier. |
Unger was a decorated C at Oregon, he was the polar opposite to Sweezy coming out of college. He was also playing at OG in Seattle which was a big change for him.
Nobody is writing off Sweezy, I in particular am just being realistic. There is little reason to believe that Sweezy will become an All-Pro or anything close to it. For every Kris Dielman you have many failed late round O-Lineman. _________________
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Plush
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Tooki wrote: | | pen15clubmember wrote: | | Plush wrote: | The complaint for guard is they can't stay healthy. Nobody ever said out guard play was really bad, just inconsistent and injured. What's crap is our guard (its mega crap)depth, so yes, more moves should have been made this offseason.
Jr sweezy starting last year was a joke, and you can't compare a one year position project to a first round talent from a pro style offense at rutgers. Sweezy can be allowed to develop, and later on maybe start. But you can't develop and start a player at the same time, especially that raw. Which was the mistake last year.
Finally, just because something is serviceable, doesn't mean we shouldn't look to improve on it. Like we do with every other position |
You can't just write off Sweezy after his rookie year like some did to Unger. Rookies improve, especially the ones who are DT converts with athleticism coached by Tom Cable. Why should we pump high picks in the O-line when it will take them time to develop continuity as well.
The Hawks clearly like our talent, as they stated the only need they felt they had was DT. You guys underestimate Sweezy, he started for a reason, and if it was because our guards sucked then it probably would've been addressed earlier. |
Unger was a decorated C at Oregon, he was the polar opposite to Sweezy coming out of college. He was also playing at OG in Seattle which was a big change for him.
Nobody is writing off Sweezy, I in particular am just being realistic. There is little reason to believe that Sweezy will become an All-Pro or anything close to it. For every Kris Dielman you have many failed late round O-Lineman. |
Yea dude, I never wrote of sweezy, not sure what he was talkin about. |
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Bigjoe0075
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Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 3:40 am Post subject: |
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With Breno going into a contract year and the mediocre Guard play we should actually be pumping in top tier talent into the offensive line. And thats not a knock on the OL but more of a compliment to our entire team. Drafting to improve the weakest area of a football team is smart and with as strong as the rest of the team is, we could use a for real bookend with Okung or another stud OG. We have several depth players that maybe starter quality someday. But if the seahawks want to strengthen their roster bolstering OL would go along way.
Look for Seattle to draft a RT to replace Breno in 1st or 2nd round next year.
On fieldgulls.com Tom Cable was interviewed saying that they had their eyes on a Tackle/Guard that had a 2nd round grade that went way too quick. I believe its either Long or Pugh. So the fact that the rest of the NFL panicked cost us from selecting OL early. Being the brilliant FO that they are they drafted for the future and went BPA on their board. Didn't reach for OL, like everyone else. Sticking to their guns is what has made us a contender.
Bottom line is if you give Cable 20 7th round Offensive Line projects or Eric Fisher/ Luke Joekle/ Lane Johnson. I'm pretty sure he'd want the top tier talent. |
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Ring Worm Sherm 
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Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| I actually think our offensive line will look great this season. Carpenter should finally be healthy and going into year 3 should live up to that 1st round selection. He looked bad at first, but he's no RT. Last year at LG, he came off blocks fairly early an looked lost but he is just a behemoth at LG. No one can push him back. He's going to be a mauler in the run game IMO. This is also wishful thinking, but I'm gonna say Sweezy has a great year. He will finally be going in more comfortable. A full off season of knowing who he is. He has the size and more than enough athletic ability to be a great guard. He just needs experience. I really think Carp and Sweeze are our guards fir the long haul. And very effective guards at that. Just need a long term solution at RT and were set for years. |
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Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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I'm predicting Alvin Bailey is going to secure an OG spot for you guys at some point and at the very least be better than what Danny Watkins aka Turnstile 63 has been for the Eagles. _________________
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Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| Plush wrote: | | Tooki wrote: | | pen15clubmember wrote: | | Plush wrote: | The complaint for guard is they can't stay healthy. Nobody ever said out guard play was really bad, just inconsistent and injured. What's crap is our guard (its mega crap)depth, so yes, more moves should have been made this offseason.
Jr sweezy starting last year was a joke, and you can't compare a one year position project to a first round talent from a pro style offense at rutgers. Sweezy can be allowed to develop, and later on maybe start. But you can't develop and start a player at the same time, especially that raw. Which was the mistake last year.
Finally, just because something is serviceable, doesn't mean we shouldn't look to improve on it. Like we do with every other position |
You can't just write off Sweezy after his rookie year like some did to Unger. Rookies improve, especially the ones who are DT converts with athleticism coached by Tom Cable. Why should we pump high picks in the O-line when it will take them time to develop continuity as well.
The Hawks clearly like our talent, as they stated the only need they felt they had was DT. You guys underestimate Sweezy, he started for a reason, and if it was because our guards sucked then it probably would've been addressed earlier. |
Unger was a decorated C at Oregon, he was the polar opposite to Sweezy coming out of college. He was also playing at OG in Seattle which was a big change for him.
Nobody is writing off Sweezy, I in particular am just being realistic. There is little reason to believe that Sweezy will become an All-Pro or anything close to it. For every Kris Dielman you have many failed late round O-Lineman. |
Yea dude, I never wrote of sweezy, not sure what he was talkin about. |
OK my bad, I misread your post. Still, we probably didn't have anyone better than Sweezy last year I guess. Which in your guys mind probably sounds pretty bad............
I just think Sweezy can fix the pass pro errors he had last year. He has all the athleticism, and paired with Cable.... |
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Tooki 
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Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 11:26 am Post subject: |
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I remember Pete saying that Sweezy HAD to start in Week 1 because there was nobody else to play at RG.
He will definitely improve, lets see by how much. _________________
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