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| Madmike90 wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | I have repeatedly said he needs to become more productive and gotten every manner of protest. A "mainstay"? Not really, since that is why we traded for Marshall and drafted Jeffery but he certainly needs to be a larger element in our offense than he has been and catch 60+ balls, score 5 tds and have 700+ yds. If those numbers are reached I have no doubt we will be playoff bound for sure. |
Well yes really…Marshall was traded for because we lacked a #1 WR who could dictate coverage’s…having him opens things up for other WRs…in Jeffery…like the vast majority rookies…it will take him time to adjust to the NFL level…after Marshall Bennett is the 2nd best receiver on this team right now and Tice has to be aware of his comfort level with Jay…as evidence by the fact Bennett was resigned. |
All I am asking from Jeffery is a year equivalent to Knox's first year. Anything less will be disappointing, anything more and I think we will be a happy crew around here.
I have yet to see much evidence of the fabled "comfort level" between Bennett and Cutler but I also have to say I am not happy with the way the Bears have used Bennett in several respects. |
You’re the only one then. |
I have gotten my eyes fixed so hopefully there will be more evidence put before them. |
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| ChicagoAl wrote: | | AZBearsFan wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | All I am asking from Jeffery is a year equivalent to Knox's first year. Anything less will be disappointing, anything more and I think we will be a happy crew around here. |
Not me. If you look past the first two weeks of Knox's rookie season (when nobody knew who he was), the rest of his rookie year was only marginally better than Sanzenbacher last year.
Knox in 2009: 45/527/5
(After Week 2: 37/375/4)
Sanzenbacher in 2011: 27/276/3
Knox was a raw 5th round rookie from Abilene Christian. Jeffery was a 2010 All-American at a 2nd tier SEC school. My expectations are that he surpasses Knox's rookie year totals for yards and TDs by December 1st, especially if he is starting opposite Marshall early on. That may be a but lofty but he is a far better prospect and is coming into an ideal situation in which to make an immediate impact (with a QB who loves big WR playing opposite a true #1 in his prime). |
Except for his early drops I was pleased with Sanz. But the HUGE difference was that every time Knox touched the ball the whole stadium caught its breath knowing that he could go the distance since he is one of the most electrifying players in the league and that was obvious from the beginning. |
Statistically speaking, Knox does less in terms of making things happen once he has made a catch than Hester, Bennett or even Roy Williams in terms of YAC per reception.
Career YAC Average (per ESPN.com stats)
-Knox: 4.05
-Williams: 4.4
-Hester: 5.3
-Bennett: 5.5
Averaging almost 19 ypc and having the lowest YAC average suggests what many have said all along about him being a guy whose only significant value is at the top of the route tree. Most of his 20 yard catches are balls he is catching 16 yards down the field. Not taking anything away from that - it definitely has value, and I agree that plays going his direction tend to be exciting, but I think that's because most of the ones going his way are when the ball is being pushed 15+ yards downfield. Deep passes are always exciting from a fan perspective. From the standpoint of making guys miss and turning small plays into big plays he is at best 4th on our current roster (behind Bennett, Hester and Marshall).
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ChicagoAl
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| AZBearsFan wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | AZBearsFan wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | All I am asking from Jeffery is a year equivalent to Knox's first year. Anything less will be disappointing, anything more and I think we will be a happy crew around here. |
Not me. If you look past the first two weeks of Knox's rookie season (when nobody knew who he was), the rest of his rookie year was only marginally better than Sanzenbacher last year.
Knox in 2009: 45/527/5
(After Week 2: 37/375/4)
Sanzenbacher in 2011: 27/276/3
Knox was a raw 5th round rookie from Abilene Christian. Jeffery was a 2010 All-American at a 2nd tier SEC school. My expectations are that he surpasses Knox's rookie year totals for yards and TDs by December 1st, especially if he is starting opposite Marshall early on. That may be a but lofty but he is a far better prospect and is coming into an ideal situation in which to make an immediate impact (with a QB who loves big WR playing opposite a true #1 in his prime). |
Except for his early drops I was pleased with Sanz. But the HUGE difference was that every time Knox touched the ball the whole stadium caught its breath knowing that he could go the distance since he is one of the most electrifying players in the league and that was obvious from the beginning. |
Statistically speaking, Knox does less in terms of making things happen once he has made a catch than Hester, Bennett or even Roy Williams in terms of YAC per reception.
Career YAC Average (per ESPN.com stats)
-Knox: 4.05
-Williams: 4.4
-Hester: 5.3
-Bennett: 5.5
Averaging almost 19 ypc and having the lowest YAC average suggests what many have said all along about him being a guy whose only significant value is at the top of the route tree. Most of his 20 yard catches are balls he is catching 16 yards down the field. Not taking anything away from that - it definitely has value, and I agree that plays going his direction tend to be exciting, but I think that's because most of the ones going his way are when the ball is being pushed 15+ yards downfield. Deep passes are always exciting from a fan perspective. From the standpoint of making guys miss and turning small plays into big plays he is at best 4th on our current roster (behind Bennett, Hester and Marshall). |
Interesting numbers but they should be put in context. It is far more significant that the WR be averaging 18+ yards per catch than that he has a yard or two less after the catch. Johnny averaging 18+ including the 4 yac is more damaging to the opponent than Bennett's 15.9 including the 5.5 yac. It was good to see Earl improving his avg. per catch last year. Hopefully this year he will be much healthier than he has been the last two. But we cannot bank on that given his history. |
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So Cutler sang the 7th inning stretch at Wrigley today. Let's just hope he doesn't quit his day job....
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| ChicagoAl wrote: | | AZBearsFan wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | AZBearsFan wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | All I am asking from Jeffery is a year equivalent to Knox's first year. Anything less will be disappointing, anything more and I think we will be a happy crew around here. |
Not me. If you look past the first two weeks of Knox's rookie season (when nobody knew who he was), the rest of his rookie year was only marginally better than Sanzenbacher last year.
Knox in 2009: 45/527/5
(After Week 2: 37/375/4)
Sanzenbacher in 2011: 27/276/3
Knox was a raw 5th round rookie from Abilene Christian. Jeffery was a 2010 All-American at a 2nd tier SEC school. My expectations are that he surpasses Knox's rookie year totals for yards and TDs by December 1st, especially if he is starting opposite Marshall early on. That may be a but lofty but he is a far better prospect and is coming into an ideal situation in which to make an immediate impact (with a QB who loves big WR playing opposite a true #1 in his prime). |
Except for his early drops I was pleased with Sanz. But the HUGE difference was that every time Knox touched the ball the whole stadium caught its breath knowing that he could go the distance since he is one of the most electrifying players in the league and that was obvious from the beginning. |
Statistically speaking, Knox does less in terms of making things happen once he has made a catch than Hester, Bennett or even Roy Williams in terms of YAC per reception.
Career YAC Average (per ESPN.com stats)
-Knox: 4.05
-Williams: 4.4
-Hester: 5.3
-Bennett: 5.5
Averaging almost 19 ypc and having the lowest YAC average suggests what many have said all along about him being a guy whose only significant value is at the top of the route tree. Most of his 20 yard catches are balls he is catching 16 yards down the field. Not taking anything away from that - it definitely has value, and I agree that plays going his direction tend to be exciting, but I think that's because most of the ones going his way are when the ball is being pushed 15+ yards downfield. Deep passes are always exciting from a fan perspective. From the standpoint of making guys miss and turning small plays into big plays he is at best 4th on our current roster (behind Bennett, Hester and Marshall). |
Interesting numbers but they should be put in context. It is far more significant that the WR be averaging 18+ yards per catch than that he has a yard or two less after the catch. Johnny averaging 18+ including the 4 yac is more damaging to the opponent than Bennett's 15.9 including the 5.5 yac. It was good to see Earl improving his avg. per catch last year. Hopefully this year he will be much healthier than he has been the last two. But we cannot bank on that given his history. |
My comment wad meant to be taken in context. You said Knox was one of the most exciting players in the league with the ball in his hands and I was saying he's not even in the top 3 in that category as I see it on his own team.
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| ChicagoAl wrote: | | AZBearsFan wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | AZBearsFan wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | All I am asking from Jeffery is a year equivalent to Knox's first year. Anything less will be disappointing, anything more and I think we will be a happy crew around here. |
Not me. If you look past the first two weeks of Knox's rookie season (when nobody knew who he was), the rest of his rookie year was only marginally better than Sanzenbacher last year.
Knox in 2009: 45/527/5
(After Week 2: 37/375/4)
Sanzenbacher in 2011: 27/276/3
Knox was a raw 5th round rookie from Abilene Christian. Jeffery was a 2010 All-American at a 2nd tier SEC school. My expectations are that he surpasses Knox's rookie year totals for yards and TDs by December 1st, especially if he is starting opposite Marshall early on. That may be a but lofty but he is a far better prospect and is coming into an ideal situation in which to make an immediate impact (with a QB who loves big WR playing opposite a true #1 in his prime). |
Except for his early drops I was pleased with Sanz. But the HUGE difference was that every time Knox touched the ball the whole stadium caught its breath knowing that he could go the distance since he is one of the most electrifying players in the league and that was obvious from the beginning. |
Statistically speaking, Knox does less in terms of making things happen once he has made a catch than Hester, Bennett or even Roy Williams in terms of YAC per reception.
Career YAC Average (per ESPN.com stats)
-Knox: 4.05
-Williams: 4.4
-Hester: 5.3
-Bennett: 5.5
Averaging almost 19 ypc and having the lowest YAC average suggests what many have said all along about him being a guy whose only significant value is at the top of the route tree. Most of his 20 yard catches are balls he is catching 16 yards down the field. Not taking anything away from that - it definitely has value, and I agree that plays going his direction tend to be exciting, but I think that's because most of the ones going his way are when the ball is being pushed 15+ yards downfield. Deep passes are always exciting from a fan perspective. From the standpoint of making guys miss and turning small plays into big plays he is at best 4th on our current roster (behind Bennett, Hester and Marshall). |
Interesting numbers but they should be put in context. It is far more significant that the WR be averaging 18+ yards per catch than that he has a yard or two less after the catch. Johnny averaging 18+ including the 4 yac is more damaging to the opponent than Bennett's 15.9 including the 5.5 yac. It was good to see Earl improving his avg. per catch last year. Hopefully this year he will be much healthier than he has been the last two. But we cannot bank on that given his history. |
Then Johnny's 18+ ypc is more damaging than Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Brandon Marshall, Andre Johnson, etc...
If you look at ypc, True #1 WRs are not at the top of the list. But let's look at a much more telling stat, yards per target, Knox still has a higher number, but only barely, Knox has a ypt of 10.5, Bennet, 8.9, however Knox has a deep % (percentage of targets 15+ yards from the LOS) of 37.7% (meaning nearly 40% of the time he's used as a deep threat) compared to Bennet's 32.6 %. When you do the math it actually gives Bennett a higher success rate (play results in a first down or TD) than Knox (48.6% for Knox compared to Bennett's 49%). Then let's look at the fact that EB has the lowest drop % in the last 3 years in the entire league and now you can start to see why you are the only one still on that island claiming Knox is better than EB.
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Haha I think he may have had a few beers before doing that. That was just bad...
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| Superman(DH23) wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | AZBearsFan wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | AZBearsFan wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | All I am asking from Jeffery is a year equivalent to Knox's first year. Anything less will be disappointing, anything more and I think we will be a happy crew around here. |
Not me. If you look past the first two weeks of Knox's rookie season (when nobody knew who he was), the rest of his rookie year was only marginally better than Sanzenbacher last year.
Knox in 2009: 45/527/5
(After Week 2: 37/375/4)
Sanzenbacher in 2011: 27/276/3
Knox was a raw 5th round rookie from Abilene Christian. Jeffery was a 2010 All-American at a 2nd tier SEC school. My expectations are that he surpasses Knox's rookie year totals for yards and TDs by December 1st, especially if he is starting opposite Marshall early on. That may be a but lofty but he is a far better prospect and is coming into an ideal situation in which to make an immediate impact (with a QB who loves big WR playing opposite a true #1 in his prime). |
Except for his early drops I was pleased with Sanz. But the HUGE difference was that every time Knox touched the ball the whole stadium caught its breath knowing that he could go the distance since he is one of the most electrifying players in the league and that was obvious from the beginning. |
Statistically speaking, Knox does less in terms of making things happen once he has made a catch than Hester, Bennett or even Roy Williams in terms of YAC per reception.
Career YAC Average (per ESPN.com stats)
-Knox: 4.05
-Williams: 4.4
-Hester: 5.3
-Bennett: 5.5
Averaging almost 19 ypc and having the lowest YAC average suggests what many have said all along about him being a guy whose only significant value is at the top of the route tree. Most of his 20 yard catches are balls he is catching 16 yards down the field. Not taking anything away from that - it definitely has value, and I agree that plays going his direction tend to be exciting, but I think that's because most of the ones going his way are when the ball is being pushed 15+ yards downfield. Deep passes are always exciting from a fan perspective. From the standpoint of making guys miss and turning small plays into big plays he is at best 4th on our current roster (behind Bennett, Hester and Marshall). |
Interesting numbers but they should be put in context. It is far more significant that the WR be averaging 18+ yards per catch than that he has a yard or two less after the catch. Johnny averaging 18+ including the 4 yac is more damaging to the opponent than Bennett's 15.9 including the 5.5 yac. It was good to see Earl improving his avg. per catch last year. Hopefully this year he will be much healthier than he has been the last two. But we cannot bank on that given his history. |
Then Johnny's 18+ ypc is more damaging than Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Brandon Marshall, Andre Johnson, etc...
If you look at ypc, True #1 WRs are not at the top of the list. But let's look at a much more telling stat, yards per target, Knox still has a higher number, but only barely, Knox has a ypt of 10.5, Bennet, 8.9, however Knox has a deep % (percentage of targets 15+ yards from the LOS) of 37.7% (meaning nearly 40% of the time he's used as a deep threat) compared to Bennet's 32.6 %. When you do the math it actually gives Bennett a higher success rate (play results in a first down or TD) than Knox (48.6% for Knox compared to Bennett's 49%). Then let's look at the fact that EB has the lowest drop % in the last 3 years in the entire league and now you can start to see why you are the only one still on that island claiming Knox is better than EB. |
Knox's actual performance is better. Bennett is going to have to step it up this year. |
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ChicagoAl
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| AZBearsFan wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | AZBearsFan wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | AZBearsFan wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | All I am asking from Jeffery is a year equivalent to Knox's first year. Anything less will be disappointing, anything more and I think we will be a happy crew around here. |
Not me. If you look past the first two weeks of Knox's rookie season (when nobody knew who he was), the rest of his rookie year was only marginally better than Sanzenbacher last year.
Knox in 2009: 45/527/5
(After Week 2: 37/375/4)
Sanzenbacher in 2011: 27/276/3
Knox was a raw 5th round rookie from Abilene Christian. Jeffery was a 2010 All-American at a 2nd tier SEC school. My expectations are that he surpasses Knox's rookie year totals for yards and TDs by December 1st, especially if he is starting opposite Marshall early on. That may be a but lofty but he is a far better prospect and is coming into an ideal situation in which to make an immediate impact (with a QB who loves big WR playing opposite a true #1 in his prime). |
Except for his early drops I was pleased with Sanz. But the HUGE difference was that every time Knox touched the ball the whole stadium caught its breath knowing that he could go the distance since he is one of the most electrifying players in the league and that was obvious from the beginning. |
Statistically speaking, Knox does less in terms of making things happen once he has made a catch than Hester, Bennett or even Roy Williams in terms of YAC per reception.
Career YAC Average (per ESPN.com stats)
-Knox: 4.05
-Williams: 4.4
-Hester: 5.3
-Bennett: 5.5
Averaging almost 19 ypc and having the lowest YAC average suggests what many have said all along about him being a guy whose only significant value is at the top of the route tree. Most of his 20 yard catches are balls he is catching 16 yards down the field. Not taking anything away from that - it definitely has value, and I agree that plays going his direction tend to be exciting, but I think that's because most of the ones going his way are when the ball is being pushed 15+ yards downfield. Deep passes are always exciting from a fan perspective. From the standpoint of making guys miss and turning small plays into big plays he is at best 4th on our current roster (behind Bennett, Hester and Marshall). |
Interesting numbers but they should be put in context. It is far more significant that the WR be averaging 18+ yards per catch than that he has a yard or two less after the catch. Johnny averaging 18+ including the 4 yac is more damaging to the opponent than Bennett's 15.9 including the 5.5 yac. It was good to see Earl improving his avg. per catch last year. Hopefully this year he will be much healthier than he has been the last two. But we cannot bank on that given his history. |
My comment wad meant to be taken in context. You said Knox was one of the most exciting players in the league with the ball in his hands and I was saying he's not even in the top 3 in that category as I see it on his own team. |
Knox is clearly one of the most exciting players in the league. That is not just my reaction but the reaction of the other fans at Soldier Field as well. Not just on receptions but returns as well. He produces excitement and has from the beginning. The fans fell in love with the kid from the first game he played. Not just because he has been our most productive WR but they just love that speed. |
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| ChicagoAl wrote: | | AZBearsFan wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | AZBearsFan wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | AZBearsFan wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | All I am asking from Jeffery is a year equivalent to Knox's first year. Anything less will be disappointing, anything more and I think we will be a happy crew around here. |
Not me. If you look past the first two weeks of Knox's rookie season (when nobody knew who he was), the rest of his rookie year was only marginally better than Sanzenbacher last year.
Knox in 2009: 45/527/5
(After Week 2: 37/375/4)
Sanzenbacher in 2011: 27/276/3
Knox was a raw 5th round rookie from Abilene Christian. Jeffery was a 2010 All-American at a 2nd tier SEC school. My expectations are that he surpasses Knox's rookie year totals for yards and TDs by December 1st, especially if he is starting opposite Marshall early on. That may be a but lofty but he is a far better prospect and is coming into an ideal situation in which to make an immediate impact (with a QB who loves big WR playing opposite a true #1 in his prime). |
Except for his early drops I was pleased with Sanz. But the HUGE difference was that every time Knox touched the ball the whole stadium caught its breath knowing that he could go the distance since he is one of the most electrifying players in the league and that was obvious from the beginning. |
Statistically speaking, Knox does less in terms of making things happen once he has made a catch than Hester, Bennett or even Roy Williams in terms of YAC per reception.
Career YAC Average (per ESPN.com stats)
-Knox: 4.05
-Williams: 4.4
-Hester: 5.3
-Bennett: 5.5
Averaging almost 19 ypc and having the lowest YAC average suggests what many have said all along about him being a guy whose only significant value is at the top of the route tree. Most of his 20 yard catches are balls he is catching 16 yards down the field. Not taking anything away from that - it definitely has value, and I agree that plays going his direction tend to be exciting, but I think that's because most of the ones going his way are when the ball is being pushed 15+ yards downfield. Deep passes are always exciting from a fan perspective. From the standpoint of making guys miss and turning small plays into big plays he is at best 4th on our current roster (behind Bennett, Hester and Marshall). |
Interesting numbers but they should be put in context. It is far more significant that the WR be averaging 18+ yards per catch than that he has a yard or two less after the catch. Johnny averaging 18+ including the 4 yac is more damaging to the opponent than Bennett's 15.9 including the 5.5 yac. It was good to see Earl improving his avg. per catch last year. Hopefully this year he will be much healthier than he has been the last two. But we cannot bank on that given his history. |
My comment wad meant to be taken in context. You said Knox was one of the most exciting players in the league with the ball in his hands and I was saying he's not even in the top 3 in that category as I see it on his own team. |
Knox is clearly one of the most exciting players in the league. That is not just my reaction but the reaction of the other fans at Soldier Field as well. Not just on receptions but returns as well. He produces excitement and has from the beginning. The fans fell in love with the kid from the first game he played. Not just because he has been our most productive WR but they just love that speed. |
Exactly - they love the speed. Doesn't mean he's the best player though. The whole Bennett/Knox dynamic is very much like that with Gault and McKinnon in the mid 80s. Gault consistently had bigger stats and certainly more flash, but I still think McKinnon was the more valuable player. I see Bennett and Knox the same way. Big plays are certainly important, but I place a higher value on the guy who is a consistent factor in keeping the chains moving. To me, Knox is Adam Dunn and Bennett is Alex Rios. One guy hits a ton of homers but not a lot else, and the other gives you a lot of good without the great.
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| AZBearsFan wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | AZBearsFan wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | AZBearsFan wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | AZBearsFan wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | All I am asking from Jeffery is a year equivalent to Knox's first year. Anything less will be disappointing, anything more and I think we will be a happy crew around here. |
Not me. If you look past the first two weeks of Knox's rookie season (when nobody knew who he was), the rest of his rookie year was only marginally better than Sanzenbacher last year.
Knox in 2009: 45/527/5
(After Week 2: 37/375/4)
Sanzenbacher in 2011: 27/276/3
Knox was a raw 5th round rookie from Abilene Christian. Jeffery was a 2010 All-American at a 2nd tier SEC school. My expectations are that he surpasses Knox's rookie year totals for yards and TDs by December 1st, especially if he is starting opposite Marshall early on. That may be a but lofty but he is a far better prospect and is coming into an ideal situation in which to make an immediate impact (with a QB who loves big WR playing opposite a true #1 in his prime). |
Except for his early drops I was pleased with Sanz. But the HUGE difference was that every time Knox touched the ball the whole stadium caught its breath knowing that he could go the distance since he is one of the most electrifying players in the league and that was obvious from the beginning. |
Statistically speaking, Knox does less in terms of making things happen once he has made a catch than Hester, Bennett or even Roy Williams in terms of YAC per reception.
Career YAC Average (per ESPN.com stats)
-Knox: 4.05
-Williams: 4.4
-Hester: 5.3
-Bennett: 5.5
Averaging almost 19 ypc and having the lowest YAC average suggests what many have said all along about him being a guy whose only significant value is at the top of the route tree. Most of his 20 yard catches are balls he is catching 16 yards down the field. Not taking anything away from that - it definitely has value, and I agree that plays going his direction tend to be exciting, but I think that's because most of the ones going his way are when the ball is being pushed 15+ yards downfield. Deep passes are always exciting from a fan perspective. From the standpoint of making guys miss and turning small plays into big plays he is at best 4th on our current roster (behind Bennett, Hester and Marshall). |
Interesting numbers but they should be put in context. It is far more significant that the WR be averaging 18+ yards per catch than that he has a yard or two less after the catch. Johnny averaging 18+ including the 4 yac is more damaging to the opponent than Bennett's 15.9 including the 5.5 yac. It was good to see Earl improving his avg. per catch last year. Hopefully this year he will be much healthier than he has been the last two. But we cannot bank on that given his history. |
My comment wad meant to be taken in context. You said Knox was one of the most exciting players in the league with the ball in his hands and I was saying he's not even in the top 3 in that category as I see it on his own team. |
Knox is clearly one of the most exciting players in the league. That is not just my reaction but the reaction of the other fans at Soldier Field as well. Not just on receptions but returns as well. He produces excitement and has from the beginning. The fans fell in love with the kid from the first game he played. Not just because he has been our most productive WR but they just love that speed. |
Exactly - they love the speed. Doesn't mean he's the best player though. The whole Bennett/Knox dynamic is very much like that with Gault and McKinnon in the mid 80s. Gault consistently had bigger stats and certainly more flash, but I still think McKinnon was the more valuable player. I see Bennett and Knox the same way. Big plays are certainly important, but I place a higher value on the guy who is a consistent factor in keeping the chains moving. To me, Knox is Adam Dunn and Bennett is Alex Rios. One guy hits a ton of homers but not a lot else, and the other gives you a lot of good without the great. |
One of my favorite Bears of all time is Silky D and Bennett is the guy who reminds me of him. That is why I want to see him return punts more often. Gault had several guys like Dennis to help him get open. The big plays generally are shut down unless there are other ones being made and vice versa. Unless there are threats shorter the opponents would just double or triple the deep guy and nothing good happens. |
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Madmike90
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Via Biggs...
| Quote: | | The #Titans have hired veteran NFL executive Tim Ruskell as a scout. |
Good luck with that |
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