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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:22 am    Post subject: Ranking All 128 D1 Head Coaches Reply with quote

My List, subject to change at the end of the year for a few

1. Nick Saban, Alabama
2. Urban Meyer, Ohio State
3. Steve Spurrier, South Carolina
4. Jimbo Fisher, Florida State
5. Gus Malzahn, Auburn
6. Bob Stoops, Oklahoma
7. Mark Dantonio, Michigan State
8. David Shaw, Stanford
9. Pat Fitzgerald, Northwestern
10. Art Briles, Baylor

11. Bill Snyder, Kansas State
12. Chris Petersen, Washington
13. James Franklin, Penn State
14. Les Miles, Louisiana State
15. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa
16. Mark Richt, Georgia
17. Jim Mora, UCLA
18. David Cutcliffe, Duke
19. Kevin Sumlin, Texas A&M
20. Charlie Strong, Texas

21. Frank Beamer, Virginia Tech
22. Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State
23. Gary Patterson, Texas Christian
24. Gary Anderson, Wisconsin
25. Brian Kelly, Notre Dame
26. Mike Riley, Oregon State
27. Paul Rhoads, Iowa State
28. Todd Graham, Arizona State
29. Rich Rodriguez, Arizona
30. Gary Pinkel, Missouri

31. Bobby Petrino, Louisville
32. Mike Leach, Washington State
33. Jerry Kill, Minnesota
34. Brady Hoke, Michigan
35. Hugh Freeze, Ole Miss
36. Mark Hudspeth, UL Lafayette
37. Dan Mullen, Mississippi State
38. George O’Leary, Central Florida
39. Dabo Sweeny, Clemson
40. Randy Edsall, Maryland

41. Al Golden, Miami [FL]
42. Steve Sarkisian, Southern California
43. Butch Jones, Tennessee
44. Mike MacIntyre, Colorado
45. Bronco Mendenhall, Brigham Young
46. Steve Addazio, Boston College
47. Tommy Tuberville, Cincinnati
48. Kliff Kingsbury, Texas Tech
49. Mark Helfrich, Oregon
50. Pete Leombo, Ball State

51. Bo Pelini, Nebraska
52. Tim DeRuyter, Fresno State
53. Frank Solich, Ohio
54. Paul Johnson, Georgia Tech
55. Larry Fedora, North Carolina
56. Sonny Dykes, California
57. Larry Coker, UTSA
58. Bret Bielema, Arkansas
59. Will Muschamp, Florida
60. Kyle Whittingham, Utah

61. Dana Holgorsen, West Virginia
62. June Jones, SMU
63. Rocky Long, San Diego State
64. Craig Bohl, Wyoming
65. Jim McElwain, Colorado State
66. Matt Wells, Utah State
67. Paul Chryst, Pittsburgh
68. Mark Stoops, Kentucky
69. Dan McCarney, North Texas
70. Kevin Wilson, Indiana

71. Ruffin McNeil, East Carolina
72. Terry Bowden, Akron
73. Dave Clawson, Wake Forest
74. Willie Fritz, Georgia Southern
75. Rick Stockstill, MTSU
76. Derek Mason, Vanderbilt
77. Darrell Hazell, Purdue
78. Ken Niumatalolo, Navy
79. Willie Taggert, South Florida
80. Dino Babers, Bowling Green

81. Tony Levine, Houston
82. Doc Holliday, Marshall
83. Scott Shafer, Syracuse
84. Dave Doeren, NC State
85. Rod Carey, Northern Illinois
86. Todd Berry, ULM
87. David Bailiff, Rice
88. Bryan Harsin, Boise State
89. Mike London, Virginia
90. Larry Blackeney, Troy

91. Mike Campbell, Toledo
92. Tim Beckman, Illinois
93. Kyle Flood, Rutgers
94. Mark Whipple, UMass
95. Curtis Johnson, Tulane
96. Joey Jones, South Alabama
97. Dennis Franchione, Texas State
98. Troy Calhoun, Air Force
99. Bobby Hauch, UNLV
100. Justin Fuente, Memphis

101. Jeff Monken, Army
102. Bob Diaco, Connecticut
103. Skip Holtz, Louisiana Tech
104. Trent Miles, Georgia State
105. Bob Davie New Mexico
106. Charlie Weis, Kansas
107. Jeff Brohm, Western Kentucky
108. Brian Polian, Nevada
109. Bill Blankenship, Tulsa
110. Matt Rhule, Temple

111. Ron Caragher, San Jose State
112. Chuck Martin, Miami [OH]
113. Jeff Quinn, Buffalo
114. Bill Clark, UAB
115. Chris Creighton, Eastern Michigan
116. Todd Monken, Southern Mississippi
117. Dan Enos, Central Michigan
118. Bobby Wilder, Old Dominion
119. Paul Hayner, Kent State
120. Blake Anderson, Arkansas State

121. Paul Petrino, Idaho
122. Norm Chow, Hawaii
123. Ron Turner, FIU
124. Scott Satterfield, Appalachian State
125. Doug Martin, New Mexico State
126. Charlie Partridge, FAU
127. P.J. Fleck, Western Michigan
128. Sean Kugler, UTEP
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too high:
9. Pat Fitzgerald, Northwestern
15. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa
16. Mark Richt, Georgia

Too low:
19. Kevin Sumlin, Texas A&M
20. Charlie Strong, Texas
30. Gary Pinkel, Mizzou
39. Dabo Swinney, Clemson
48. Kliff Kingsbury, Texas Tech
52. Tim DeRuyter, Fresno State

2014 Risers:
76. Derek Mason, Vanderbilt
88. Bryan Harsin, Boise State
102. Bob Diaco, UConn
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jshowers wrote:
Too high:
9. Pat Fitzgerald, Northwestern
15. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa
16. Mark Richt, Georgia

Too low:
19. Kevin Sumlin, Texas A&M
20. Charlie Strong, Texas
30. Gary Pinkel, Mizzou
39. Dabo Swinney, Clemson
48. Kliff Kingsbury, Texas Tech
52. Tim DeRuyter, Fresno State

2014 Risers:
76. Derek Mason, Vanderbilt
88. Bryan Harsin, Boise State
102. Bob Diaco, UConn


Im as big of a Mark Richt hater as there is, but tell me how he is overrated at #16. He has gone 126-45 in 13 years in the SEC, or thats 9.7 wins to 3.46 losses. He's also 72-32 in the SEC(5.5-2.5). He has won the SEC twice, has 6 SEC Eastern Division Titles, and has finished in the top 10, 6 times.

Yes, he has come up short at times when Georgia was thought of being great, but he has also put Georgia on the cusp of the National Championship in multiple seasons.

You say Kevin Sumlin is low at #19, so I assume you think he should be ahead of Richt at #16. So give me a reason for that as well.
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ferentz at 15? thought most iowa fans wanted him gone. no doubt he's had good seasons, but seems like time is kind of up.

that said, props for making the list IAS. i don't see any glaring problems with it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd have Spurrier 2 and Les in the top 10 somewhere, but those are my only two gripes.
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Richt coaches an elite program in a top five state in terms of producing high school talent. He's been there a long time now. He should have had UGA in play for a national championship at some point. It seems they always drop a clunker or three. Too frequently the Dawgs seem to play without focus and energy.

He's also pretty bad at making in game adjustments when things are going wrong. He's set in his offensive ways/style and is slow to adapt.

Another factor - UGA may have worse discipline than any program in the country. It seems like you can't blink without one of their players being arrested or violating team rules.

I also question his ability to evaluate offensive talent. He's so strictly "pro style" that he's whiffed on some real studs. He offered Cam Newton as a tight end. He had Nick Marshall playing defensive back.

Tbh, Richt is like Andy Dalton. Good enough to keep his job, not good enough to go all the way.

Why should Sumlin be considered better? He took an absolutely listless program and turned it into a national player. From 2003-2011 the Aggies were middle of the road in just about everything. Mediocre talent, meh recruiting, average records. Now for as long as Sumlin is there, it will be a top landing spot for elite recruits and a 9+ win team every year.

Sumlin is an outstanding offensive mind and does QBs better than just about anyone. Now top tier skill position and defensive talent is starting to trickle in to College Station as well. I expect them to be a CFB playoff team in the next 2-3 years and potentially win it all.
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jshowers wrote:
Richt coaches an elite program in a top five state in terms of producing high school talent. He's been there a long time now. He should have had UGA in play for a national championship at some point. It seems they always drop a clunker or three. Too frequently the Dawgs seem to play without focus and energy.

He's also pretty bad at making in game adjustments when things are going wrong. He's set in his offensive ways/style and is slow to adapt.

Another factor - UGA may have worse discipline than any program in the country. It seems like you can't blink without one of their players being arrested or violating team rules.

I also question his ability to evaluate offensive talent. He's so strictly "pro style" that he's whiffed on some real studs. He offered Cam Newton as a tight end. He had Nick Marshall playing defensive back.

Tbh, Richt is like Andy Dalton. Good enough to keep his job, not good enough to go all the way.

Why should Sumlin be considered better? He took an absolutely listless program and turned it into a national player. From 2003-2011 the Aggies were middle of the road in just about everything. Mediocre talent, meh recruiting, average records. Now for as long as Sumlin is there, it will be a top landing spot for elite recruits and a 9+ win team every year.

Sumlin is an outstanding offensive mind and does QBs better than just about anyone. Now top tier skill position and defensive talent is starting to trickle in to College Station as well. I expect them to be a CFB playoff team in the next 2-3 years and potentially win it all.


Yes, Richt should be doing better than he has. Ill give you that, but how many other coaches could average almost 10 wins a year at a SEC programin 13 seasons?

Sumlin hasnt even done anything with his own players yet. He hasnt finished better than 2nd with one of the most transcendent talents in the history of college football. Whose to say he will get any better? He hasnt done anything that Richt has done multiple times.
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Sumlin hasnt even done anything with his own players yet. He hasnt finished better than 2nd with one of the most transcendent talents in the history of college football. Whose to say he will get any better? He hasnt done anything that Richt has done multiple times.


Sorry, but Manziel is NOT one of the most transcendent talents in the history of CFB.

Sumlin doesn't get enough cred for Manziel's success. It was the scheme and coaching that laid the groundwork for Manziel to rack up the stats he did. Yes, he is one of (if not the best) unorthodox improvisers I've ever seen but everything he did was made possible by the "controlled chaos" of Sumlin's air raid.

Sumlin hasn't accrued enough time with the program to match up his accomplishment's next to Richt's. But based on pure ability to coach and lead a program, I would say Sumlin is top ten right now. His ability to evaluate, recruit, and develop talent on offense and adapt his scheme is unrivaled. With the Aggies success, better defensive recruits are taking notice and buying in. Sumlin is building something special IMO.
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IrishGreen wrote:
ferentz at 15? thought most iowa fans wanted him gone. no doubt he's had good seasons, but seems like time is kind of up.

that said, props for making the list IAS. i don't see any glaring problems with it.


I felt dumb putting him there - but the longevity and consistency [outside his first 3 years where he was left nothing] but he is consistently praised around the nation as one of the best and just at the end of it - maybe unbiased homerism or slip - just 'fit' there when I was making the list....I've seen him ranked in past years as high as 6 [in January bowl seasons] to mid-30s [when playing the harder B1G schedules] so he is at a mean here at 15.
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catcheryea wrote:
I'd have Spurrier 2 and Les in the top 10 somewhere, but those are my only two gripes.


The former was an honest coin flip and the latter he was passed by Fitzgerald, Briles and Shaw this last off season for me and you could make a case that 7-16 could be re-slotted in any way and there could be a case made why it still works.
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Its A Sabotage wrote:
IrishGreen wrote:
ferentz at 15? thought most iowa fans wanted him gone. no doubt he's had good seasons, but seems like time is kind of up.

that said, props for making the list IAS. i don't see any glaring problems with it.


I felt dumb putting him there - but the longevity and consistency [outside his first 3 years where he was left nothing] but he is consistently praised around the nation as one of the best and just at the end of it - maybe unbiased homerism or slip - just 'fit' there when I was making the list....I've seen him ranked in past years as high as 6 [in January bowl seasons] to mid-30s [when playing the harder B1G schedules] so he is at a mean here at 15.


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Ferentz is nothing special. Not top 20 IMO. Consistent, good player development, even-keeled, but not impressive.

He's old school and non-flexible. He's not a good recruiter. He doesn't bring any energy or flash.

As long as Ferentz is at Iowa, we can expect nearly every game to play out the same way:

Play strong defense but pretty much get dominated all game long and hope that the offense can score once or twice.
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jshowers wrote:
devils1854 wrote:
Sumlin hasnt even done anything with his own players yet. He hasnt finished better than 2nd with one of the most transcendent talents in the history of college football. Whose to say he will get any better? He hasnt done anything that Richt has done multiple times.


Sorry, but Manziel is NOT one of the most transcendent talents in the history of CFB.

Sumlin doesn't get enough cred for Manziel's success. It was the scheme and coaching that laid the groundwork for Manziel to rack up the stats he did. Yes, he is one of (if not the best) unorthodox improvisers I've ever seen but everything he did was made possible by the "controlled chaos" of Sumlin's air raid.

Sumlin hasn't accrued enough time with the program to match up his accomplishment's next to Richt's. But based on pure ability to coach and lead a program, I would say Sumlin is top ten right now. His ability to evaluate, recruit, and develop talent on offense and adapt his scheme is unrivaled. With the Aggies success, better defensive recruits are taking notice and buying in. Sumlin is building something special IMO.


Couldnt you have said the same thing about Richt after his first couple of years at Georgia? He took a program that was down after then Donnan era, and won a SEC Championship in his second year, using recruits that werent his own, just like Sumlin. The only difference is Sumlin squandered his inherited talent in Manzel, Matthews, Joeckel, and Evans, while Richt took his(Greene, Pollack, Thurman, Smith) and actually won something.
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jshowers wrote:
Its A Sabotage wrote:
IrishGreen wrote:
ferentz at 15? thought most iowa fans wanted him gone. no doubt he's had good seasons, but seems like time is kind of up.

that said, props for making the list IAS. i don't see any glaring problems with it.


I felt dumb putting him there - but the longevity and consistency [outside his first 3 years where he was left nothing] but he is consistently praised around the nation as one of the best and just at the end of it - maybe unbiased homerism or slip - just 'fit' there when I was making the list....I've seen him ranked in past years as high as 6 [in January bowl seasons] to mid-30s [when playing the harder B1G schedules] so he is at a mean here at 15.


Wink

Ferentz is nothing special. Not top 20 IMO. Consistent, good player development, even-keeled, but not impressive.

He's old school and non-flexible. He's not a good recruiter. He doesn't bring any energy or flash.

As long as Ferentz is at Iowa, we can expect nearly every game to play out the same way:

Play strong defense but pretty much get dominated all game long and hope that the offense can score once or twice.


Listen, much like devils [with Richt] I am not a fan or supporter of Ferentz, but the fact you can count on 8-9 wins recruiting noting but 2* OTs and TEs is impressive. Nothing is flashy, we will run 3 times and punt. We will run a few PA passes and punt. Play good defense every year and churn out great DBs, LBs, and OL. He does all of this at Iowa....recruiting against Michigan, O$U, MSU, etc, etc.....hell even Indiana out recruits him, but his style of coaching is what keeps them relevant in a program that no one wants to go to.
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Im just doing a top 25

1.Nick Saban-Alabama
2.Steve Spurrier-South Carolina
3.Urban Meyer-Ohio State
4.Bill Snyder-Kansas State
5.David Shaw-Stanford

6.Les Miles-LSU
7.Jimbo Fisher-Florida State
8.Chris Petersen-Washington
9.Frank Beamer-Virginia Tech
10.Mark Dantonio-Michigan State

11.Gus Malzahn-Auburn
12.Bob Stoops-Oklahoma
13.Mark Richt-Georgia
14.Bobby Petrino-Louisville
15.David Cutcliffe-Duke

16.Art Briles-Baylor
17.Pat Fitzgerald-Northwestern
18.Jim Mora-UCLA
19.Kirk Ferentz-Iowa
20.James Franklin-Penn State

21.Gary Patterson-TCU
22.Charlie Strong-Texas
23.Gary Anderson-Wisconsin
24.Kevin Sumlin-Texas A&M
25.Mike Gundy-Oklahoma State
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No real complaints from me. I'd probably have Malzahn and Shaw a little higher, but that judgement's probably a little clouded since I absolutely love the way they coach.
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