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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:45 pm    Post subject: Seattle Mariners Thread Reply with quote


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Offseason Notes:
03/10/12 - Season Ends; Mariners Draft 12th Overall
03/11/12 - Mariners re-sign RHP Hisashi Iwakuma; 2|14 Million
04/11/12 - Mariners re-sign LHP Oliver Perez; 1|1.5 Million
20/11/12 - Mariners trade OF Trayvon Robinson to the Orioles for IF Robert Andino
20/11/12 - Mariners DFA 3B Chone Figgins
30/11/12 - Mariners re-sign IF Robert Andino; 1|N/A
30/11/12 - Mariners re-sign RHP Josh Kinney; 1|700K
30/11/12 - Mariners tender LHP Jason Vargas, RHP Shawn Kelley, C John Jaso, & SS Brendan Ryan.
05/12/12 - Mariners sign OF Jason Bay; 1|1M
19/12/12 - Mariners trade LHP Jason Vargas to the Angels for DH Kendrys Morales.
22/12/12 - Mariners sign DH Raul Ibanez; 1|2.75M
16/01/13 - Mariners trade C John Jaso to the Athletics; receive 1B/OF Michael Morse
07/02/13 - Mariners sign C Kelly Shoppach; 1|1.5M
07/02/13 - Mariners DFA RHP Shawn Kelley
07/02/13 - Mariners sign LHP Joe Saunders; 1|6.5M
13/02/13 - Mariners re-sign RHP Felix Hernandez; 7/175M
13/02/13 - Mariners trade RHP Shawn Kelley to the Yankees for OF Abraham Almonte


Projected Roster
Rotation


RHP Felix Hernandez
Number: 34
Height: 6'3
Weight: 230
Born: 4/8/1986 in Valencia, Venezuela

RHP Hisashi Iwakuma
Number: 18
Height: 6'3
Weight: 190
Born: 4/12/1981 in Tokyo, Japan

LHP Joe Saunders
Number: -
Height: 6'3
Weight: 210
Born: 6/16/1981 in Springfield, VA

RHP Blake Beavan
Number: 49
Height: 6'7
Weight: 240
Born: 1/17/1989 in Irving, TX

RHP Erasmo Ramirez
Number: 50
Height: 5'11
Weight: 205
Born: 5/2/1990 in Rivas, Nicaragua
Bullpen


RHP Tom Wilhelmsen
Number: 54
Height: 6'6
Weight: 230
Born: 12/16/1983 in Tucson, AZ

RHP Carter Capps
Number: 58
Height: 6'5
Weight: 220
Born: 8/7/1990 in Kinston, NC

LHP Charlie Furbush
Number: 41
Height: 6'5
Weight: 215
Born: 4/11/1986 in South Portland, ME

RHP Stephen Pryor
Number: 46
Height: 6'4
Weight: 245
Born: 7/23/1989 in Donelson, TN

RHP Kameron Loe
Number: 31
Height: 6'8
Weight: 245
Born: 9/10/1981 in Simi Valley, CA

LHP Oliver Perez
Number: 59
Height: 6'3
Weight: 210
Born: 8/15/1981 in Culiacan, Sinaloa, Mexico

LHP Lucas Luetge
Number: 44
Height: 6'4
Weight: 205
Born: 3/24/1987 in Brenham, TX
Lineup


C Jesus Montero
Number: 63
Height: 6'3
Weight: 235
Bats: R
Born: 11/28/1989 in Guacara, Venezuela

1B Justin Smoak
Number: 17
Height: 6'4
Weight: 230
Bats: S
Born: 12/5/1986 in Goose Creek, SC

2B Dustin Ackley
Number: 13
Height: 6'1
Weight: 190
Bats: L
Born: 2/26/1988 in Winston-Salem, NC

SS Brendan Ryan
Number: 26
Height: 6'2
Weight: 195
Bats: R
Born: 3/26/1982 in Los Angeles, CA

3B Kyle Seager
Number: 15
Height: 6'0
Weight: 195
Bats: L
Born: 11/3/1987 in Charlotte, NC



LF Michael Morse
Number: 38
Height: 6'5
Weight: 245
Bats: R
Born: 3/22/1982 in Fort Lauderdale, FL

CF Franklin Gutierrez
Number: 21
Height: 6'2
Weight: 190
Bats: R
Born: 2/21/1983 in Caracas, Venezuela

RF Michael Saunders
Number: 55
Height: 6'4
Weight: 215
Bats: L
Born: 11/19/1986 in Victoria, BC, Canada

DH Kendrys Morales
Number: 8
Height: 6'1
Weight: 225
Bats: S
Born: 6/20/1983 in Fomento, Cuba
Bench


C Kelly Shoppach
Number: 7
Height: 6'0
Weight: 220
Bats: R
Born: 4/29/1980 in Fort Worth, TX

INF Robert Andino
Number: 3
Height: 6'0
Weight: 195
Bats: R
Born: 4/25/1984 in Miami, FL

OF Jason Bay
Number: 12
Height: 6'2
Weight: 210
Bats: R
Born: 9/20/1978 in Trail, BC, Canada

DH Raul Ibanez
Number: 28
Height: 6'2
Weight: 210
Bats: L
Born: 6/2/1972 in New York, NY

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Mariners Top Prospects

1. Mike Zunino
03/25/1991

Position: C
Height: 6'2
Weight: 220
Bats: R
Born: Coral Gables, FL
Team Affiliate: [AAA] Tacoma Rainiers
ETA: 2013

Peak Projections: .280 / .350 / .480 / .830 / 20 HR
Comparison: C Jason Varitek, Boston Red Sox
Scouting Report(s):
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Tools: Present|Future
Bat: 55|60
Power: 65|65
Speed: 30|30
Arm: 50|50
Defense: 50|55
FanGraphs wrote:
It’s not often you can say this when a club chooses a player third overall in the amateur draft, but the Seattle Mariners may have gotten a steal with Zunino. The University of Florida alum made an immediate impression upon turning pro by hitting for power, average and showing a good understanding of the strike zone. After posting a 1.210 OPS in 29 Northwest League games, Zunino had a .974 OPS after a three-level promotion to the double-A Southern League. And if that wasn’t enough, he posted an .800 OPS in 19 Arizona Fall League games.

Although his hit tool may end up being underrated – a lot of evaluators project it as average – there probably aren’t many, if any, that would argue his right-handed power is a plus tool. Along with his intriguing bat, Zunino possesses all the intangibles that make up good a field leader. His defense projects to be average or a hair above, but he shows a promising game-calling skills and an average arm.

Zunino could not have had a better pro debut and it will be interesting to see where he starts off the 2013 season: double-A, triple-A or the majors. A strong spring could push the organization to start the year with him as the club’s starting catcher – especially since the American League West should be quite competitive and the club may need every win it can squeak out. However, with John Jaso and Jesus Montero (who could move to a full-time DH with Zunino’s promotion, or be flipped in a trade to fill a more glaring hole) are probably quite capable of holding down the fort until Zunino truly forces the Mariners’ hand.
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Mike Zunino, C, Grade A-: Complete catcher, either the best catching prospect in baseball or second-best behind Travis D'Arnaud. Power, patience, defense, great makeup. Does everything.


2.Taijuan Walker
08/13/1992

Position: SP
Height: 6'4
Weight: 210
Throws: R
Born: Shreveport, CA
Team Affiliate: [AA] Jackson Generals
ETA: 2014

Peak Projections: 225 IP / 210 K / 65 BB / 2.80 ERA
Comparison: RHP Josh Beckett, Florida Marlins
Scouting Report(s):
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Tools: Present|Future
Fastball: 70|70
Curveball: 50|60
Changeup: 45|50
Command: 45|60
FanGraphs wrote:
Now 20, the right-hander spent most of the 2012 pitching as a teenager in the double-A Southern League.

The first thing you notice when watching Walker pitch is his frame. He has a perfect pitcher’s frame and is very athletic. He fields his position very well and that athleticism should eventually allow him to develop above-average command, although it’s currently inconsistent. He has a low-stress delivery and easy velocity; he looks like he’s playing catch with the backstop. He stands very tall, stays back well over the rubber and maintains good balance.

Walker has a fastball that sits in the mid-to-upper 90s but I did not seen premium movement. With that said, hitters either don’t pick up the ball well or there’s some late movement that keeps the ball off the sweet spot on the bat. When I saw him pitch he was certainly favoring the fastball while sprinkling in curveballs and the very occasional changeup. He did slow his arm down a bit when he threw some of his breaking balls. Hitters either don’t pick up the ball well or there’s some late movement that keeps the ball off the sweet spot on the bat

Walker’s numbers on the season were skewed by a particularly bad June, where he posted a 9.15 ERA. His overall numbers were good, but not great, and he deserves credit for being the youngest pitcher in the league. I’d probably start him off back in double-A to begin the year but wouldn’t be shocked if he was assigned to triple-A instead. He could be in the major league rotation before his 21st birthday and has the ceiling of a No. 2 starter.
John Sickels wrote:
Taijuan Walker, RHP, Grade A-: Some slippage in his numbers, but that's forgivable for the youngest pitcher in the Double-A Southern League. Still has premium combination of fastball, breaking stuff, developing changeup, high upside.


3. Danny Hultzen
11/28/1989

Position: SP
Height: 6'3
Weight: 200
Throws: L
Born: Bethesda, VA
Team Affiliate: [AAA] Tacoma Rainiers
ETA: 2013

Peak Projections: 225 IP / 190 K / 60 BB / 3.30 ERA
Comparison: LHP Cole Hamels, Philadelphia Phillies
Scouting Report(s):
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Tools: Present|Future
Fastball: 60|60
Slider: 50|55
Changeup: 60|70
Command: 50|60
FanGraphs wrote:
The second overall pick of the 2012 draft, Hultzen ascended through the minors quickly, reaching triple-A after just half a season in pro ball. Unfortunately, he struggled mightily with his control after the promotion and walked 43 batters in 48.2 innings. It’s an entirely new issue for the U of Virginia alum, as he displayed at least average control in both college and double-A.

Hultzen has excellent zip on his fastball for a lefty and it sits 88-93 mph and touches the mid-90s when he reaches back for a little extra. His changeup can be deadly when he can set it up. He shows the same arm speed and action on both his fastball and changeup. When I saw Hultzen pitch at the triple-A level in August, his slider was inconsistent but showed a nice break.

While watching him, it was clear that he was struggling with his fastball command. When the ball was wandering, the southpaw was getting ahead of his arm and dragging his arm behind him. Hultzen also does a pronounced knee bend during his delivery and he was bending shortly before beginning his wind-up and that seemed to be messing up his balance. In speaking with a talent evaluator familiar with Hultzen it sounded as though there wasn’t too much concern over his struggles. “Danny is just going through the process becoming a big league pitcher. He just has to be able to command all his pitches and throw them for strikes,” he said. “I would also like to point out that it was his first full year. Learning to pitch is definitely a process.”

He will almost certainly return to triple-A to open the 2013 season and all eyes will be on his ability to control the strike zone. If he can iron out his issues, Hultzen could be ready for the majors around mid-2013. If everything clicks, Hultzen has the ceiling of a No. 2 starter.
John Sickels wrote:
Danny Hultzen, LHP, Grade B+: I will be honest, I am not comfortable with Hultzen's grade or his placement here and may revise it significantly before the book goes to press. I think it is a mistake to dismiss his Triple-A struggles too cavalierly. His command was just too poor at that level for us to ignore, especially given his past reputation and track record.


4. Nick Franklin
03/02/1991

Position: 2B/SS
Height: 6'1
Weight: 180
Bats: S
Born: Sanford, FL
Team Affiliate: [AAA] Tacoma Rainiers
ETA: 2013

Peak Projections: .280 / .350 / .450 / .800 / 15 HR / 15 SB
Comparison: SS Jed Lowrie, Houston Astros
Scouting Report(s):
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Tools: Present|Future
Bat: 55|60
Power: 50|60
Speed: 50|50
Arm: 50|50
Defense: 40|50
FanGraphs wrote:
Franklin isn’t overly physical but he has a stronger lower half and shows a wide, well-balanced base at the plate. The ball jumps off his bat, but I’d like to see him hit fewer fly balls and more line drives. He slugged 23 home runs at the A-ball level in 2010 but is not a true home-run hitter and will likely pop 10-15 homers at the big league level with a large collection of two-baggers.

Franklin isn’t as strong defensively as currently big league shortstop Brendan Ryan but he offers much more upside with the bat. The prospect could eventually push Ryan to a back-up role or send him out of town. Franklin is reliable at shortstop, fielding everything hit to him, and has good actions but both his range and arm are fringe-average for the position. Second base would probably be his best position but Dustin Ackley is far more secure in his job than Ryan.

A strong 2012 Arizona Fall League helped Franklin make up for a modest second half of the season at the triple-A level where he posted an 83 wRC+. Seattle will likely open the 2013 season with Brendan Ryan at shortstop but Franklin could emerge from the minors by mid-season.
John Sickels wrote:
Nick Franklin SS, Grade B+: I trust my eyes on this one, good tools across the board and the skills are in there. Is he a second baseman or a shortstop? I'd give him a chance at short. Needs another half-season in Triple-A following .243/.310/.416 line at Tacoma.


5. James Paxton
11/06/1988

Position: SP
Height: 6'4
Weight: 220
Throws: L
Born: Richmond, BC
Team Affiliate: [AAA] Tacoma Rainiers
ETA: 2013

Peak Projections: 210 IP / 190 K / 70 BB / 3.30 ERA
Comparison: LHP Erik Bedard, Baltimore Orioles
Scouting Report(s):
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Tools: Present|Future
Fastball: 70|70
Curveball: 50|60
Changeup: 40|50
Command: 30|50
Fangraphs wrote:
Paxton has a ceiling close to that of Danny Hultzen but he also struggles with his control, having walked 54 batters in 106.1 double-A innings in 2012. He shows above-average, easy fastball velocity for a southpaw and has a tall, sturdy frame with a strong lower half and should be capable of providing tons of innings as a No. 3 starter in the starting rotation. He also has a very good curveball with plus potential and has worked to improve his changeup, which projects to develop into an average offering.

In watching Paxton pitch, I noticed that he throws with a high-three-quarter delivery with deception. He keeps the ball hidden well and has a distracting delivery thanks to a lot of extranious arm movement. But he also doesn’t have the most controlled delivery so it’s easy to see why he struggles with both his command and control. On the plus side, there isn’t much effort to his delivery. He was quite slow and deliberate from the stretch with pronounced arm action. Because of that, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him struggle at holding runners at the big league level.

After a solid double-A season in 2012, Paxton made another five starts in the Arizona Fall League with modest results. He should be ready for the triple-A test in 2013 but could see major league action in the second half of the year.
John Sickels wrote:
James Paxton, LHP, Grade B+: He still has occasional command troubles but the stuff is first class, love the 92-95 fastball and big-breaking curve. Number two starter upside. Very good season in Double-A (3.05 ERA, 110/54 K/BB in 106 innings).


Notable Prospects:
C John Hicks
C Marcus Littlewood
C Jack Marder
C Tyler Marlette
2B Tim Lopes
2B Martin Peguero
2B Stefen Romero
SS Gabriel Franca
SS Ketel Marte
SS Brad Miller
SS Chris Taylor
3B Vinnie Catricala
3B Joseph DeCarlo
3B Patrick Kivlehan
3B Francisco Martinez
3B Steven Proscia
OF Jabari Blash
OF Phillips Castillo
OF Gabriel Guerrero
OF Jabari Henry
OF James Jones
OF Leon Landry
OF Hersin Martinez
OF Wilton Martinez
OF Julio Morban
OF Guillermo Pimentel
OF Dario Pizzano

RHP Logan Bawcom
RHP Matt Brazis
RHP Tyler Burgoon
RHP Carter Capps
RHP Edwin Diaz
RHP Rigoberto Garcia
RHP Stephen Landazuri
RHP Brandon Maurer
RHP Jochi Ogando
RHP Victor Sanchez
RHP Carson Smith
RHP Jose Torres
LHP Anthony Fernandez
LHP Luiz Gohara
LHP Bobby LaFromboise
LHP Brian Moran
LHP Tyler Pike
LHP Jordan Shipers

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Maybe only one *superstar* type player. Sort of like the Ard pick despite him being a Coug. Poor Dunn?

Not sure he's got Dunn's power but I'd love to see 1 of those 3 1B prove they can hit. All 3 apparently project to have +power, and a below average hit tool.

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Capps, 2 IP, H, R (unearned), BB, 5 K.

This bullpen with Wilhelmsen, Pryor and Capps is going to be ridiculously good.
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Capps, 2 IP, H, R (unearned), BB, 5 K.

This bullpen with Wilhelmsen, Pryor and Capps is going to be ridiculously good.


And Furbush, he's really good as well.
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Mark Gubicza: Don't let Beavan get to those really good secondary offerings

Lol wut?
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Mark Gubicza: Don't let Beavan get to those really good secondary offerings

Lol wut?

Who's that?

Angels guy I assume.
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Mark Gubicza: Don't let Beavan get to those really good secondary offerings

Lol wut?

Who's that?

Angels guy I assume.


You would be correct.

That Saunders homer was damn impressive. Where he hit it, how he hit. Gotta love it man.

The Condor is here to stay.
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The Condor is here to stay.

Without a doubt at this point.

May still be a bit low on the average, but besides that he's becoming the player he was projected to be.
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The Condor is here to stay.

Without a doubt at this point.

May still be a bit low on the average, but besides that he's becoming the player he was projected to be.


With the way he walks, .260 is plenty, IMO. .280 or so would be great though.

Now batting - .262/.335/.449 .343 wOBA
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The Condor is here to stay.

Without a doubt at this point.

May still be a bit low on the average, but besides that he's becoming the player he was projected to be.


With the way he walks, .260 is plenty, IMO. .280 or so would be great though.

Now batting - .262/.335/.449 .343 wOBA

Agreed

I just meant that as a prospect people thought he would hit in the .280+ range. With the exception of his average he's showing the power/speed combo he did in the minors. (In addition to solid defense in center)
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The Condor is here to stay.

Without a doubt at this point.

May still be a bit low on the average, but besides that he's becoming the player he was projected to be.


With the way he walks, .260 is plenty, IMO. .280 or so would be great though.

Now batting - .262/.335/.449 .343 wOBA

Agreed

I just meant that as a prospect people thought he would hit in the .280+ range. With the exception of his average he's showing the power/speed combo he did in the minors. (In addition to solid defense in center)


Ahhh ok.

He has a pretty awesome upside, would be nice if he could get to it.

On the game, this is ridiculous. Ground balls singles and bloop hit...

Beavan still sucks, though. I'm tired of him.
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Blake Beavan needs to GTFO.
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Besides Saunders the most entertaining thing about this game was them showing Montero dancing with Kawasaki Laughing
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Added tools for the top 5 prospects.

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