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IR0NM1KE


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Onyxmeth wrote:
I like that idea for the keepers and would like to propose one more idea. You can only keep players for one year. After that you have to choose new keepers. If you redraft a player that was once your keeper, you may keep them again in the round you currently drafted them in.

I think this is good and will keep things pretty even, so eventually we don't have one lucky guy with two late round stud RBs as keepers.


Right with you on this one... And I own Hakeem the Dream.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IR0NM1KE wrote:
Onyxmeth wrote:
I like that idea for the keepers and would like to propose one more idea. You can only keep players for one year. After that you have to choose new keepers. If you redraft a player that was once your keeper, you may keep them again in the round you currently drafted them in.

I think this is good and will keep things pretty even, so eventually we don't have one lucky guy with two late round stud RBs as keepers.


Right with you on this one... And I own Hakeem the Dream.


I like this rule as well.
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But why not maintain that dominance? You guys were there...

Let me give you my personal opinion, on what I think has happened.
It all started with the release of the coke machine in Brandon Jacobs.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Onyxmeth wrote:
I like that idea for the keepers and would like to propose one more idea. You can only keep players for one year. After that you have to choose new keepers. If you redraft a player that was once your keeper, you may keep them again in the round you currently drafted them in.

I think this is good and will keep things pretty even, so eventually we don't have one lucky guy with two late round stud RBs as keepers.


Not a fan of this at all. This is a keeper league and finding two late round stud rbs is not all luck it's got to do with skill also. But I do like the FA idea. I was also thinking what would everyone think of dropping one of the wr spot since we have a wr/rb/te.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Byrdman wrote:
Onyxmeth wrote:
I like that idea for the keepers and would like to propose one more idea. You can only keep players for one year. After that you have to choose new keepers. If you redraft a player that was once your keeper, you may keep them again in the round you currently drafted them in.

I think this is good and will keep things pretty even, so eventually we don't have one lucky guy with two late round stud RBs as keepers.


Not a fan of this at all. This is a keeper league and finding two late round stud rbs is not all luck it's got to do with skill also. But I do like the FA idea. I was also thinking what would everyone think of dropping one of the wr spot since we have a wr/rb/te.


Yeah but allowing to keep a player for 5+ years makes this more of a dynasty league than a keeper one.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome I get dke right out of the box Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rase wrote:
Byrdman wrote:
Onyxmeth wrote:
I like that idea for the keepers and would like to propose one more idea. You can only keep players for one year. After that you have to choose new keepers. If you redraft a player that was once your keeper, you may keep them again in the round you currently drafted them in.

I think this is good and will keep things pretty even, so eventually we don't have one lucky guy with two late round stud RBs as keepers.


Not a fan of this at all. This is a keeper league and finding two late round stud rbs is not all luck it's got to do with skill also. But I do like the FA idea. I was also thinking what would everyone think of dropping one of the wr spot since we have a wr/rb/te.


Yeah but allowing to keep a player for 5+ years makes this more of a
dynasty league than a keeper one.



Never played in a dynasty league but I always thought that they keep almost all there players and have like a rookie draft.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Byrdman wrote:
Rase wrote:
Byrdman wrote:
Onyxmeth wrote:
I like that idea for the keepers and would like to propose one more idea. You can only keep players for one year. After that you have to choose new keepers. If you redraft a player that was once your keeper, you may keep them again in the round you currently drafted them in.

I think this is good and will keep things pretty even, so eventually we don't have one lucky guy with two late round stud RBs as keepers.


Not a fan of this at all. This is a keeper league and finding two late round stud rbs is not all luck it's got to do with skill also. But I do like the FA idea. I was also thinking what would everyone think of dropping one of the wr spot since we have a wr/rb/te.


Yeah but allowing to keep a player for 5+ years makes this more of a
dynasty league than a keeper one.



Never played in a dynasty league but I always thought that they keep almost all there players and have like a rookie draft.
They do but they also don't put any checks and balances on keepers, which is what you're saying we should continue to do. Almost every keeper league has some sort of way to keep things balanced, and I think this approach doesn't allow a few lucky souls to run the league every year, allows the new players a fighting chance, and adds an additional level of strategy.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just thought I should say that I dont give two ishs about the rules. As long as Im informed on them beforehand its all good. Im in on whatever side is winning
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xfaxtor wrote:
Just thought I should say that I dont give two ishs about the rules. As long as Im informed on them beforehand its all good. Im in on whatever side is winning


I didn't know you've joined my team...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rase wrote:
So my idea for keepers would be:
We can keep the players the drafted and the ones we got in FA pool. But it's gotta be more complex to make it work. If you want to keep an FA player you have to follow some rules.

So let's take an example at last years FA gem LeGarrette Blount. The first rule is that he's gotta be on your roster for at least 5 weeks (taking away the possibility of adding a FA and then keeping him at low price)... OK, he's been on my team for more than 5 weeks now what? well the thing we do is look at his final stats and see that he finished 77th on the player-rater. So if you want to keep him you have to surrender a pick in the 77th range (This would be 7th round) or a pick you dropped him for [If you dropped a 12th rounder for one guy and then for blount you ahve to surrender 12th) (whichever is higher).

So that's my idea for a new idea of keeping players.

What do you guys think?


so, my two cents are as follows:

1) tweak it so that you don't have to hold a player for a set time. if he's a young guy that gets out of the gate week 15, that shouldn't be a penalty. however, to keep the "skill" aspect truly intact, you can't keep a player that has previously been on another manager's roster (sans through a trade you make) at an advantaged keeper round. that means if I draft Blount speculatively and then drop him week 6, you can keep him but it would have to be at his espn rank (my other leagues play that you can't keep him at all, which could be up for discussion, but wasn't sure if too aggressive. kind of cool though because it puts alot of guys back in the draft pool).

conversely and number (2), i think for the true FA gems you should get something more than their years production would dictate. for instance, Brandon Lloyd was a top-5 receiver last year. he was a true FA stud, but where's the payoff in pickup skill if you have to keep him with a (say) second round pick. allow players coming out of the FA pool to be kept at their projected round + "x" rounds (three? five?).

Plus trying to keep track of who you dropped a guy for gets messy. what if you dropped a FA scrub for him? too slippery of a slope.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dkebones wrote:
Rase wrote:
So my idea for keepers would be:
We can keep the players the drafted and the ones we got in FA pool. But it's gotta be more complex to make it work. If you want to keep an FA player you have to follow some rules.

So let's take an example at last years FA gem LeGarrette Blount. The first rule is that he's gotta be on your roster for at least 5 weeks (taking away the possibility of adding a FA and then keeping him at low price)... OK, he's been on my team for more than 5 weeks now what? well the thing we do is look at his final stats and see that he finished 77th on the player-rater. So if you want to keep him you have to surrender a pick in the 77th range (This would be 7th round) or a pick you dropped him for [If you dropped a 12th rounder for one guy and then for blount you ahve to surrender 12th) (whichever is higher).

So that's my idea for a new idea of keeping players.

What do you guys think?


so, my two cents are as follows:

1) tweak it so that you don't have to hold a player for a set time. if he's a young guy that gets out of the gate week 15, that shouldn't be a penalty. however, to keep the "skill" aspect truly intact, you can't keep a player that has previously been on another manager's roster (sans through a trade you make) at an advantaged keeper round. that means if I draft Blount speculatively and then drop him week 6, you can keep him but it would have to be at his espn rank (my other leagues play that you can't keep him at all, which could be up for discussion, but wasn't sure if too aggressive. kind of cool though because it puts alot of guys back in the draft pool).

conversely and number (2), i think for the true FA gems you should get something more than their years production would dictate. for instance, Brandon Lloyd was a top-5 receiver last year. he was a true FA stud, but where's the payoff in pickup skill if you have to keep him with a (say) second round pick. allow players coming out of the FA pool to be kept at their projected round + "x" rounds (three? five?).

Plus trying to keep track of who you dropped a guy for gets messy. what if you dropped a FA scrub for him? too slippery of a slope.


Well, rule #2 would have helped me out big time this year since I picked up Mike Williams (TB) last year in FA.
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But why not maintain that dominance? You guys were there...

Let me give you my personal opinion, on what I think has happened.
It all started with the release of the coke machine in Brandon Jacobs.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We could always do a "max years" for keepers as well
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey dke, wanna trade Mikel for Williams?

Too bad. I was really high on Ryan
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rase wrote:
Hey dke, wanna trade Mikel for Williams?

Too bad. I was really high on Ryan


You're high on Ryan... But I'm wasted on Jordy Nelson.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what's the official scoring on the idea of FA keepers and the max years?
We should at least make an official voting on both
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