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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Books are almost always "better," it has very little to do with creative ability of the people making the show IMO. I do agree that people who say they don't want to read because of spoilers are fools. Not wanting to read because of time seems like an acceptable excuse to me though.
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The books are almost always better because they go into so much more depth and have no limitations. To accurately portray everything in the book each season would be 30-35 episodes and would cost a billion dollars to make.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Packman Luke wrote:
Books are almost always "better," it has very little to do with creative ability of the people making the show IMO. I do agree that people who say they don't want to read because of spoilers are fools. Not wanting to read because of time seems like an acceptable excuse to me though.


I think the show is perfect the way it is. If it tried to include as much detail as the books, it would be a watered down mess. HBO's Game of Thrones focuses more on the characters than what's going on around them, imo. Novels have the luxury of being able to talk about pretty much anything at any time.
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NYGiantsman10 wrote:
Isn't the book a lot better than the TV show Ruskie? Not to knock the TV show cause it does a pretty good job but the books give you a much more full picture.
It warms my heart to see the show viewers loving the books Laughing


I admit I can be kind of an elitist nerd when it comes to the books vs. the show. People ask me about stuff all the time and Im like just read the damn books already! Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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samgurl775 wrote:
NYGiantsman10 wrote:
Isn't the book a lot better than the TV show Ruskie? Not to knock the TV show cause it does a pretty good job but the books give you a much more full picture.
It warms my heart to see the show viewers loving the books Laughing
I admit I can be kind of an elitist nerd when it comes to the books vs. the show. People ask me about stuff all the time and Im like just read the damn books already! Laughing
Don't worry I'm the same way Laughing As we've discussed before, I just hate the little changes, especially when it alters a characters personality - like Jaime killing his cousin was really frustrating because that's something his book character would never do. Also my mom is kind of into the series, and when I mentioned how Theon is one of my favorite characters, she said she hated him "especially after he killed Ser Rodrik". To which I of course pointed out Theon doesn't kill Rodrik in the books. It's those types of changes that influence what a person thinks of character that get to me the most.
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samgurl775 wrote:
NYGiantsman10 wrote:
samgurl775 wrote:
NYGiantsman10 wrote:
Isn't the book a lot better than the TV show Ruskie? Not to knock the TV show cause it does a pretty good job but the books give you a much more full picture.
It warms my heart to see the show viewers loving the books Laughing
I admit I can be kind of an elitist nerd when it comes to the books vs. the show. People ask me about stuff all the time and Im like just read the damn books already! Laughing
Don't worry I'm the same way Laughing As we've discussed before, I just hate the little changes, especially when it alters a characters personality - like Jaime killing his cousin was really frustrating because that's something his book character would never do. Also my mom is kind of into the series, and when I mentioned how Theon is one of my favorite characters, she said she hated him "especially after he killed Ser Rodrik". To which I of course pointed out Theon doesn't kill Rodrik in the books. It's those types of changes that influence what a person thinks of character that get to me the most.


A lot of those changes don't effect the character that much in my eyes. Did Theon kill Rodrik in the books? No. But the situation in which the show presented was very believable. I think book Theon would have done the same thing, its just that it didn't happen that way.

The Jaime thing was a little dumber, I'll give you that. But I think the show is going to make up for it by using it to allow a greater character change next season.
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A lot of those changes don't effect the character that much in my eyes. Did Theon kill Rodrik in the books? No. But the situation in which the show presented was very believable. I think book Theon would have done the same thing, its just that it didn't happen that way.

The Jaime thing was a little dumber, I'll give you that. But I think the show is going to make up for it by using it to allow a greater character change next season.
They've got a lot of work to with Jaime Laughing I honestly feel like show Jaime has no redeemable qualities, and killing his cousin just made him that much worse (especially because I don't see why it was necessary, would telling his cousin to play dead really have been that difficult?).
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samgurl775 wrote:
Greg_Jennings wrote:
A lot of those changes don't effect the character that much in my eyes. Did Theon kill Rodrik in the books? No. But the situation in which the show presented was very believable. I think book Theon would have done the same thing, its just that it didn't happen that way.

The Jaime thing was a little dumber, I'll give you that. But I think the show is going to make up for it by using it to allow a greater character change next season.
They've got a lot of work to with Jaime Laughing I honestly feel like show Jaime has no redeemable qualities, and killing his cousin just made him that much worse (especially because I don't see why it was necessary, would telling his cousin to play dead really have been that difficult?).

His amazing hair isn't a redeemable quality?

I'm not as bothered by Theon killing Rodrik though. I'm not convinced book Theon would have done it, but it did a better job of show casing his descent and later on when the talks to Maester Luwin, the beginning of his redemption. Jaime killing Alton was just so out of place.
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skywindO2 wrote:
samgurl775 wrote:
Greg_Jennings wrote:
A lot of those changes don't effect the character that much in my eyes. Did Theon kill Rodrik in the books? No. But the situation in which the show presented was very believable. I think book Theon would have done the same thing, its just that it didn't happen that way.

The Jaime thing was a little dumber, I'll give you that. But I think the show is going to make up for it by using it to allow a greater character change next season.
They've got a lot of work to with Jaime Laughing I honestly feel like show Jaime has no redeemable qualities, and killing his cousin just made him that much worse (especially because I don't see why it was necessary, would telling his cousin to play dead really have been that difficult?).
His amazing hair isn't a redeemable quality?
It's not even golden blonde like in the books Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

samgurl775 wrote:
skywindO2 wrote:
samgurl775 wrote:
Greg_Jennings wrote:
A lot of those changes don't effect the character that much in my eyes. Did Theon kill Rodrik in the books? No. But the situation in which the show presented was very believable. I think book Theon would have done the same thing, its just that it didn't happen that way.

The Jaime thing was a little dumber, I'll give you that. But I think the show is going to make up for it by using it to allow a greater character change next season.
They've got a lot of work to with Jaime Laughing I honestly feel like show Jaime has no redeemable qualities, and killing his cousin just made him that much worse (especially because I don't see why it was necessary, would telling his cousin to play dead really have been that difficult?).
His amazing hair isn't a redeemable quality?
It's not even golden blonde like in the books Sad


Well if you want it like the books, he shaves his head.

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samgurl775 wrote:
NYGiantsman10 wrote:
samgurl775 wrote:
NYGiantsman10 wrote:
Isn't the book a lot better than the TV show Ruskie? Not to knock the TV show cause it does a pretty good job but the books give you a much more full picture.
It warms my heart to see the show viewers loving the books Laughing
I admit I can be kind of an elitist nerd when it comes to the books vs. the show. People ask me about stuff all the time and Im like just read the damn books already! Laughing
Don't worry I'm the same way Laughing As we've discussed before, I just hate the little changes, especially when it alters a characters personality - like Jaime killing his cousin was really frustrating because that's something his book character would never do. Also my mom is kind of into the series, and when I mentioned how Theon is one of my favorite characters, she said she hated him "especially after he killed Ser Rodrik". To which I of course pointed out Theon doesn't kill Rodrik in the books. It's those types of changes that influence what a person thinks of character that get to me the most.


Didn't Theon kill Mikken? Either way, I agree with GJ that the situation seemed appropriate justification for Theon's character to do what he did, didn't change my understanding of him.

Jaime is the most notable character change, and I thought he was a jerk in the books prior to losing his hand, so the fact that he's just a bit more of a jerk in the show isn't an issue for me. It's still an enjoyable character, and until they screw up his arc I don't see any reason to freak out about it.
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samgurl775 wrote:
skywindO2 wrote:
samgurl775 wrote:
Greg_Jennings wrote:
A lot of those changes don't effect the character that much in my eyes. Did Theon kill Rodrik in the books? No. But the situation in which the show presented was very believable. I think book Theon would have done the same thing, its just that it didn't happen that way.

The Jaime thing was a little dumber, I'll give you that. But I think the show is going to make up for it by using it to allow a greater character change next season.
They've got a lot of work to with Jaime Laughing I honestly feel like show Jaime has no redeemable qualities, and killing his cousin just made him that much worse (especially because I don't see why it was necessary, would telling his cousin to play dead really have been that difficult?).
His amazing hair isn't a redeemable quality?
It's not even golden blonde like in the books Sad


I think his hair looks great....

reading third book currently. Sansa just got married to the Imp Shocked

I didn't see that coming.

I try to not like the Lanisters asI see them as the bad guys but it's hard not to.
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Packman Luke wrote:
Didn't Theon kill Mikken?


That or the Kennel Master.

Sansa and Tyrion's marriage is funny.
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Sansa and Tyrion's marriage is funny.


One thing I was wondering about that plan, was, if it had worked out, and the two had children and ruled Winterfell, would those kids be Starks or Lannisters? I'd assume Lannister, in which case, what good is Sansa's claim anyways?

I guess it bugs me that there can never be any more true Starks, unless Bran or Rickon somehow end up Lord of Winterfell.
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Greg_Jennings wrote:
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Sansa and Tyrion's marriage is funny.


One thing I was wondering about that plan, was, if it had worked out, and the two had children and ruled Winterfell, would those kids be Starks or Lannisters? I'd assume Lannister, in which case, what good is Sansa's claim anyways?

I guess it bugs me that there can never be any more true Starks, unless Bran or Rickon somehow end up Lord of Winterfell.

Sansa would still have the claim regardless her last name, wouldn't she? I don't see how getting married would weaken her claim at least. Women marrying above them because of the claim they have seems to be a pretty common thing anyway.

Thinking about the Tyrion/Sansa wedding reminds me of how Joffrey was more infuriating than usual in SoS.
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