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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

21 years ago today the best hip-hop album of all time dropped

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiOcVWQY2bc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhDb8LoScpI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQxBuFgxhFM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGH_LIKxSmM

Segment of an article from last year:

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Rap has had many magical once-in-a-lifetime eras, but hereís one of them. In 1992, people were just starting to figure out that it probably wasnít legal to sample anything and everything without permission or repercussion, but rap producers were still doing it, possibly understanding that the clock was running out on the way they were making music. And the same time, sampling technology was improving all the time, and visionary producers were figuring out different ways to layer up shards of other peopleís music, to build their own pocket orchestras. West Coast rap was about to have its biggest moment ever, but New York was still the complete center of the rap universe, and it seemed entirely secure in that position, not showing any bluster or fury at all the other cities that were developing their own styles. New Yorkís rappers and producers had something like a generation or two to get really, really good at what they were doing. And the major labels of the world were starting to figure out that rap albums could be something other than singles-plus-filler, and that they wouldnít necessarily need to pressure every rap group to throw love songs or hip-house tracks onto their records. Thatís the climate that made it possible for Pete Rock & CL Smoothís calm, unassuming masterpiece to make it into the world 20 years ago.

ďT.R.O.Y.Ē is a dedication to Trouble T-Roy, a dancer from Heavy D And The Boyz who died in 1990, after an accidental fall from an exit ramp. T-Roy was a good friend of Rockís, and in interviews, Rock has talked about how he was jumping up and down with excitement when he made the track, and how he and his friends were crying in the studio during the final mixdown. The song itself only mentions T-Roy a couple of times. For the rest of it, itís CL Smooth giving sharp, clear-eyed memories of growing up poor and black, finding wisdom where other people didnít see any, blundering his way into adulthood. But even though heís not a constant presence in the song, T-Roy hangs over the entire thing just because itís impossible to imagine it existing without him. Sad as it is, the senseless death of a friend is a rite of passage in a lot of ways; Iím not sure you can call yourself a grown-up until youíre forced to wrap your head around it at least once. And so ďT.R.O.Y.Ē finds CL Smooth, a reflective rapper by temperament, in an especially reflective mood, going back to the happy glow of every major event that led to his life. And itís also just a masterful piece of music, CL expertly winding his conversational delivery through that dizzily beautiful forest of horns.

ďT.R.O.Y.Ē is not, of course, the only song on Mecca And The Soul Brother. Itís a long, sprawling album, more than an hour long, and it goes through all sorts of moods and ideas. Itís an early example of the fully mature rap album, the long holistic experience thatís been conceived and put together as a seamless whole. Plenty of the song come with little interstitial bits of music that help to set up the songs that follow them, and many of those bits of music could easily be entire songs themselves. Rock tended to sample five or six different sources per song, but you only really know that if youíre intimately familiar with each of the original songs, or if youíre staring at the albumís Wikipedia page, since Rock was brilliant at making them sound like theyíd always belonged together. CL, just as importantly, was at his peak there as one of historyís all-time most effortlessly pleasant rappers; his voice just dips and floats with an unearthly sort of ease. You canít rap like that if youíre trying to sound tough, or smart, or fashionable. You canít rap like that if youíre trying to be anything. Delivery like that exists outside of trends and movements; itís its own thing.

The album has political songs and love songs and goofy @*$&-talking songs, but all that stuff blurs into one glorious whole. And when you notice that cuss-words are being bleeped out on the freestyle-rap intro to ďOn And On,Ē itís a bit of a revelation, since thatís when you realize that thereís no cussing anywhere else on the album. These days, it would be impossible to make a no-cussing rap album without making a big point out of it, but CL Smooth makes it sound like the most natural thing in the world.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^ bumpin this right now on the way to Orange County. More thoughts on this masterpiece album later.
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I wore my Mecca and the Soul Brother cassette down so much, you could barely read either side. We had just moved to Chicago and it was my soundtrack that entire summer (and beyond). The quote from the article sums it up as far as the depth and craftsmanship of the production as well as the subtle brilliance of CL Smooth.

Not sure what else to add bcuz I don't even know if anyone reads this thread anymore. Sad


Some other favorites from the album:

"Can't Front on Me

"For Pete's Sake"

"It's Like That"

"It's Not a Game" (b-side to "Lots of Lovin'")



How could they possibly follow up such a magnum opus? By making another masterpiece, of course...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always read it when it's bumped.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rediscovered this gem going thru old emails:

http://www.formatmag.com/features/lego-hip-hop-album-covers/
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just came out today. Behind the scenes of Pete Rock & CL Smooth's classic.

http://www.complex.com/music/2013/06/magnum-opus-the-making-of-pete-rock-cl-smooths-troy

Awesome video about the making of the best song hip hop song of all time.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel like this was worthy of being shared.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/questloves-top-50-hip-hop-songs-of-all-time-20121217

Questlove's top 50 hip hop songs of all time

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For this top 50 list, I decided to concentrate on 1979-1995, the former being the year I got my first taste of hip-hop, the latter being the year my major-label debut with the Roots made its mark. I wanted to concentrate on the period that I was not professionally involved in the art form. I wanted to celebrate the period that built and led to the influence that got me a record deal.

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iPwn wrote:
I feel like this was worthy of being shared.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/questloves-top-50-hip-hop-songs-of-all-time-20121217

Questlove's top 50 hip hop songs of all time

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For this top 50 list, I decided to concentrate on 1979-1995, the former being the year I got my first taste of hip-hop, the latter being the year my major-label debut with the Roots made its mark. I wanted to concentrate on the period that I was not professionally involved in the art form. I wanted to celebrate the period that built and led to the influence that got me a record deal.

I enjoyed the commentary the most. While I like 95% of the songs on there, I find the lack of crucial MC's on this quite unfathomable. Altho when I saw "T.R.O.Y." at #39 and Biz's "Just a Friend" at #30, I knew better immediately.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_8bMIIbjPQ

this is about as good as it gets hip-hop wise IMO

I wanna loot that Donald Byrd horn sample K-Def used on Frustrated and just let that ish ride out, bassline kind of obfuscates how amazing that segment of the track is.
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Willink wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_8bMIIbjPQ

this is about as good as it gets hip-hop wise IMO

I wanna loot that Donald Byrd horn sample K-Def used on Frustrated and just let that ish ride out, bassline kind of obfuscates how amazing that segment of the track is.


K Def is sooooooooo sick! His work with Raw Poetic of Panacea is amazing.

On an unrelated note, I started sampling Mtume's Juicy Fruit, but I'm trying to flip it in a different way so I'm not copying beats already made. It's a challenge, but I feel pretty close right now. And I just got done with a Ralfie Pagan beat if anyone is interested in hearing that bad boy. I'm actually fairly proud of that one haha.

This is such an amazing thread btw. Here are some of my favorite songs that have and should be sampled!

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PHillysPHinest2 wrote:

On an unrelated note, I started sampling Mtume's Juicy Fruit, but I'm trying to flip it in a different way so I'm not copying beats already made. It's a challenge, but I feel pretty close right now. And I just got done with a Ralfie Pagan beat if anyone is interested in hearing that bad boy. I'm actually fairly proud of that one haha.


Post it up!

This is what I've got cooking right now. 808s are placeholders till I do real bass:

http://www.sharebeast.com/yvnl6x746grv
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thrILL! wrote:
iPwn wrote:
I feel like this was worthy of being shared.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/questloves-top-50-hip-hop-songs-of-all-time-20121217

Questlove's top 50 hip hop songs of all time

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For this top 50 list, I decided to concentrate on 1979-1995, the former being the year I got my first taste of hip-hop, the latter being the year my major-label debut with the Roots made its mark. I wanted to concentrate on the period that I was not professionally involved in the art form. I wanted to celebrate the period that built and led to the influence that got me a record deal.

I enjoyed the commentary the most. While I like 95% of the songs on there, I find the lack of crucial MC's on this quite unfathomable. Altho when I saw "T.R.O.Y." at #39 and Biz's "Just a Friend" at #30, I knew better immediately.
I think a lot if it is Quest choosing songs that influenced him both as a kid growing up, and also as a drummer, producer, DJ, music historian and everything else he does, more so than he'd be looking for best lyricism and all that.
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iPwn wrote:
thrILL! wrote:
iPwn wrote:
I feel like this was worthy of being shared.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/questloves-top-50-hip-hop-songs-of-all-time-20121217

Questlove's top 50 hip hop songs of all time

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For this top 50 list, I decided to concentrate on 1979-1995, the former being the year I got my first taste of hip-hop, the latter being the year my major-label debut with the Roots made its mark. I wanted to concentrate on the period that I was not professionally involved in the art form. I wanted to celebrate the period that built and led to the influence that got me a record deal.

I enjoyed the commentary the most. While I like 95% of the songs on there, I find the lack of crucial MC's on this quite unfathomable. Altho when I saw "T.R.O.Y." at #39 and Biz's "Just a Friend" at #30, I knew better immediately.
I think a lot if it is Quest choosing songs that influenced him both as a kid growing up, and also as a drummer, producer, DJ, music historian and everything else he does, more so than he'd be looking for best lyricism and all that.

Definitely. But you can't get much more historical than everything that imbues Illmatic.
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Getting cleaned up:

http://www.sharebeast.com/m58uy1u2udjo
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Getting cleaned up:

http://www.sharebeast.com/m58uy1u2udjo


Why must you only post snippets? I needz mo'!
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