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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:41 pm    Post subject: Making A Short Film Reply with quote

I've decided to make a short film in my free time, starring myself and a few others, and hope to enter it into some festivals afterwards.

Anybody have any experience with such?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've done the 48 Hour Film festival before, but never made a real short film with an extensive planning. I do know how to do it however, from my many film classes. If you need any help or have any questions lemme know. My first advice to you is if you really want to get into a festival, hire real actors. Unless your friends have genuine talent, I'd keep them behind the camera or in small roles. There are TONS of students out there studying to be actors who are looking for cheap work, and you'll get much better performances.

and keep us updated
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't offer any adive, but I respect the ambition. Good luck.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

random advice:

1. Make sure your script is totally done before you start shooting. Like, without flaws. Make sure you have all the props, costumes, and locations ready too. You don't wanna have to reshoot things.
2. Be very very very careful about copyrights, trademarks.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everything same with GJ as with me. Basically 48 hour film projects, blast to do, but you have very limited time frame. I'd say give yourself a time line, otherwise your project will/can end up stretching on and on.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ill take any and all advice you guys have.

def will have a schedule, want it done sooner rather than later
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Keep your script concise and the rule of thumb 1 minute per page is pretty accurate. It might not seem like it is going to be that long while you are filming it, but come post production, it will be around that.

2. Plan enough time for filming. With the 48 hour film project I've done three locations in one day, that took about from 8 AM until 9 PM to shoot for a 6.5 minute video (minus credits). Anything that's over 8 minutes plan multiple days for filming. Same with multiple locations, more locations you have, longer shooting time will take because you need to pack up and unpack at every new location.

3. The level of actor really changes the level of production. Seems fairly obvious, but the better the talent is it will make your production seem more professional. Now you probably don't have money to pay people, which is great for the 48 hour film project, but if you are in college or can find college students in the acting department to act for you, it will notably bump up the level of your film.

4. KISS - don't make it too big, keep it to something that you aren't going to have to fake. Basically if you don't know how to shoot something or how to create the effect (and you are planning to show this at a festival) don't try it here for the first time, you can experiment on your own time to get something to work. Same with script, like I said above, keep to to the point, and more to the point the better, and cut down on your dialog (general rule of thumb), there are indie films that get away with lots of voice over explaining the film and what is going on in the film, but it is a film, show the audience, don't tell the audience.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Gnat wrote:
1. Keep your script concise and the rule of thumb 1 minute per page is pretty accurate. It might not seem like it is going to be that long while you are filming it, but come post production, it will be around that.


What are steps of post production?

I have it planned like this:
-finalize script
-set cast
-acquire equipment
-plan shooting schedule

and then pp
-edit together

from there...IDK what to do. I.E. how does one get to ready to be played on a theater screen? How do I get it from the film reel to my laptop to edit, etc.

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2. Plan enough time for filming. With the 48 hour film project I've done three locations in one day, that took about from 8 AM until 9 PM to shoot for a 6.5 minute video (minus credits). Anything that's over 8 minutes plan multiple days for filming. Same with multiple locations, more locations you have, longer shooting time will take because you need to pack up and unpack at every new location.


I see, ok. The entire film will be set in location, and be almost all dialogue. I'm thinking of shooting it over the course of a day, and just doing 6 or 7 takes before editing it together.

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3. The level of actor really changes the level of production. Seems fairly obvious, but the better the talent is it will make your production seem more professional. Now you probably don't have money to pay people, which is great for the 48 hour film project, but if you are in college or can find college students in the acting department to act for you, it will notably bump up the level of your film.


The film only need 1 real actor besides myself. I will def. look into it.

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4. KISS - don't make it too big, keep it to something that you aren't going to have to fake. Basically if you don't know how to shoot something or how to create the effect (and you are planning to show this at a festival) don't try it here for the first time, you can experiment on your own time to get something to work. Same with script, like I said above, keep to to the point, and more to the point the better, and cut down on your dialog (general rule of thumb), there are indie films that get away with lots of voice over explaining the film and what is going on in the film, but it is a film, show the audience, don't tell the audience.


The script is pretty much done actually, if you or anybody else want to give it a quick read or whatever - I am open to all thoughts. The script is extremely straight forward. Linear, no voice overs, no nothing. It's really just one scene. But its good, I think
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could read your script for you. I've been taking classes on script coverage, so I can help.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gambit Jango wrote:
I could read your script for you. I've been taking classes on script coverage, so I can help.


Nice, mind if I pm it to you?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah go for it, I could use the practice
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've made one short film, and I've got a question for those of you who have made one for the 48 hour film festival.

Do you have to supply your own camera? I'd make more short films, but I just don't have the access to the camera. My DSLR doesn't shoot video.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The hardest thing, in my experience, is finding reliable acting talent. Almost anyone you know who "acts" is going to suck at it and won't be committed to the project. That's just the reality of small/no-budget films. You'll also need to find some way to get high quality sound which can be nearly impossible without really, really good equipment. If you figure that out let me know. Wink

BTW, I wouldn't worry about trademarks and copyrights personally. If your movie blows up big enough that anyone cares about it then you've made something of a name for yourself and the worst that can happen is you have to re-edit it or you can't get it distributed. But that's unlikely to happen anyway. If it does, you've got a great problem on your hands.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NBT will play one of the two characters, hopefully I dont suck! Embarassed scripts ready if anyone else wants to a peek
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NextBigThing wrote:
NBT will play one of the two characters, hopefully I dont suck! Embarassed scripts ready if anyone else wants to a peek


I'd like to take a look if you want any feedback.
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