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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why do you think wrestlers like Maynard, Kos ( and to some extent Rashad) abandon their wrestling to become strikers? Yes they have KO power, but technically their pretty crappy.


Kos actually has pretty damn good hands. I'm not a fan of Rashad's hands, I actually think he's similar to Maynard only fights smarter and has slightly less sloppy hands. Rashad always fights smart though, and so does Kos most of the time.
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Rashad's boxing >>> Koscheck's. Kos basically just sits on his overhand right at this point, and is completely flustered by even the lightest of jabs. It's sad. It's like he wants to be Hendo, but doesn't have the timing, accuracy, and even less variety.

Pretty obvious striking is the key to MMA at this point. Just look at the champs.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Packman Luke wrote:
Rashad's boxing >>> Koscheck's. Kos basically just sits on his overhand right at this point, and is completely flustered by even the lightest of jabs. It's sad. It's like he wants to be Hendo, but doesn't have the timing, accuracy, and even less variety.

Pretty obvious striking is the key to MMA at this point. Just look at the champs.

Takedown Defense and Striking.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Purpes17 wrote:
Packman Luke wrote:
Rashad's boxing >>> Koscheck's. Kos basically just sits on his overhand right at this point, and is completely flustered by even the lightest of jabs. It's sad. It's like he wants to be Hendo, but doesn't have the timing, accuracy, and even less variety.

Pretty obvious striking is the key to MMA at this point. Just look at the champs.

Takedown Defense and Striking.


All the upper echelon guys use straight punches really well.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody else wish that the UFC would book the greatest fight that never happened, and has been brewing for 20 years in Royce Gracie vs Harold Howard?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vaw8t-wOMEA
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anybody else wish that the UFC would book the greatest fight that never happened, and has been brewing for 20 years in Royce Gracie vs Harold Howard?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vaw8t-wOMEA

At the rate they're going with continuing to try and sell PPV's/card on the backs of former stars who aren't going to ever be contenders again, I bring up again that the Fertitas need to use their position on the NSAGC to press not so much for open-weight (no American athletic commission is going to sign off on that ) but for clearing slightly broader catch weight classes for a "Legends" division. There are obviously some guys out there who simply do not need to be fighting anymore and should just accept retirement (Jerome LeBanner comes to mind), but there are guys who are doing so for lesser organizations and doing so well enough that if they're booked against similar competition would sell better and be, at least nostalgia-wise, more entertaining fights than some of the recent filler. Frye's still fighting 4+ times a year. Rizzo's still fighting (though it's starting to get to the point where he shouldn't). Honestly, you give him an alluring fight (like Franklin or Wanderlei) and Frank Shamrock will come out of retirement.

Now, all this may be counterproductive in the long-run. It's something that's likely only best for a once-a-year card or a once-per-every-other-PPV gimmick. But it's sellable; it would just need to be ensured that it wasn't elevated much above the Co-Main or 2nd-main event of any card.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Packman Luke wrote:
Rashad's boxing >>> Koscheck's. Kos basically just sits on his overhand right at this point, and is completely flustered by even the lightest of jabs. It's sad. It's like he wants to be Hendo, but doesn't have the timing, accuracy, and even less variety.

Pretty obvious striking is the key to MMA at this point. Just look at the champs.

Rashad moves better, but he still throws a ton of sloppy punches. He always throws this awful winging overhand type punch that always makes me cringe.
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Purpes17 wrote:
Packman Luke wrote:
Rashad's boxing >>> Koscheck's. Kos basically just sits on his overhand right at this point, and is completely flustered by even the lightest of jabs. It's sad. It's like he wants to be Hendo, but doesn't have the timing, accuracy, and even less variety.

Pretty obvious striking is the key to MMA at this point. Just look at the champs.

Takedown Defense and Striking.


All the top dudes are extremely well rounded. I guess the only guy who is more of a specialist than the others is JDS, and given who he trains with I'd expect him to be at worst competent on the ground.

On a side note, who is the best pure specialist in MMA? I think Aoki is the best specialist ever, with CroCop somewhere behind.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mossburg wrote:
Purpes17 wrote:
Packman Luke wrote:
Rashad's boxing >>> Koscheck's. Kos basically just sits on his overhand right at this point, and is completely flustered by even the lightest of jabs. It's sad. It's like he wants to be Hendo, but doesn't have the timing, accuracy, and even less variety.

Pretty obvious striking is the key to MMA at this point. Just look at the champs.

Takedown Defense and Striking.


All the top dudes are extremely well rounded. I guess the only guy who is more of a specialist than the others is JDS, and given who he trains with I'd expect him to be at worst competent on the ground.

On a side note, who is the best pure specialist in MMA? I think Aoki is the best specialist ever, with CroCop somewhere behind.

JDS is actually very competent on the ground, he just knows he's elite on the feet and his TDD is so great that he can keep it standing.

Yeah, Aoki and CroCop both come to mind there. Cody McKenzie is sure trying like hell to get his name in that convo, too.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul Sass!

Mark Coleman
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Paul Sass!

Mark Coleman


Coleman is actually great example, but he proved that he cannot survive in MMA as the sport evolved. I think Coleman (and Royce) was the best uni-disciplined fighter who imposed and dominated with his one discipline. I'd even give Coleman more credit because Royce made his name when nobody knew anything about martial arts outside of theirs, Coleman actually succeeded as MMA was evolving. I think he'll be completely forgotten as the sport ages, but despite his poor gas tank, he was definitely a true MMA pioneer.

It's much harder for a specialist to survive today, that's why what Aoki has accomplished is so impressive. He's probably the best MMA grappler the sport has ever seen. Even if guys like Damien Maia are more renowned, he is more dynamic in how he can get fights to the ground and his clinch work is amazing. He also has mastered a lot of grappling techniques that you don't see from BJJ traditionalists.
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Dana on Maynard vs Guida

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Late in the second round, the mercurial UFC president tweeted, "I thought it was impossible for this fight to suck. I WAS WRONG!!!!!!"


LMAO

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mma--gray-maynard-gets-split-decision-win-over-clay-guida--but-in-reality-both-men-are-losers.html;_ylt=AjcSwEzSzYbM.bBj3UCLlOw9Eo14
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dana on Maynard vs Guida

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Late in the second round, the mercurial UFC president tweeted, "I thought it was impossible for this fight to suck. I WAS WRONG!!!!!!"


LMAO

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mma--gray-maynard-gets-split-decision-win-over-clay-guida--but-in-reality-both-men-are-losers.html;_ylt=AjcSwEzSzYbM.bBj3UCLlOw9Eo14


Do people actually blame Maynard for that fight? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Packman Luke wrote:
Mossburg wrote:
Dana on Maynard vs Guida

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Late in the second round, the mercurial UFC president tweeted, "I thought it was impossible for this fight to suck. I WAS WRONG!!!!!!"


LMAO

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mma--gray-maynard-gets-split-decision-win-over-clay-guida--but-in-reality-both-men-are-losers.html;_ylt=AjcSwEzSzYbM.bBj3UCLlOw9Eo14


Do people actually blame Maynard for that fight? Rolling Eyes


He's not at fault for Guida's tactics, but he's at fault for the lack of skills that he possesses. I just posted the link to show Dana's comments. Kevin iLOL is full of nonsense opinions though.
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Oh damn...

http://www.bjpenn.com/mmanews/2012/06/25/anderson-silva-goes-off-on-sonnen-says-he-will-break-the-face-and-knockout-the-teeth-of-the-criminal-ufc-news-30172.html
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