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w4rrior723
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| Brettizzle wrote: | | I don't know why he got anything, he sucks. Id be surprised if he is on an NFL roster in 3 years |
Uhhh, what are you talking about? He's the gTEoat.
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mrnasties NO
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| A.J. Hawk Fan wrote: | | ProudHorn wrote: | | EAtotheGLE wrote: | | Finley should blow up next year. |
I wonder how many years we're going to hear this about Finley? |
Every team has this type of player... "ohhh he's gonna do great this year", and he doesn't.. But Finley actually shows long stretches of it, but has been so inconsistent. |
Think its a good sign by the Packers and he will do good. But I don't see him earning his money. |
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mikeyfarley
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:35 am Post subject: |
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Finley and his agent are idiots. He could have at least got 6$ mil a year on a long term deal with at least 10$ mil guaranteed upfront.
Marcedes Lewis had similar numbers in 2010 and got a contract for 5 years 35$ million. He got more guaranteed money ($17 mil) than Finley will get for this whole contract.
So many things can go wrong in two years it doesn't make much sense. Does he think he'll easily have 2 straight All-Pro seasons then get 10$ mil or more a season or something like that? Is he all of a sudden going to have no drops the next 2 years?
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| mikeyfarley wrote: | | Does he think he'll easily have 2 straight All-Pro seasons then get 10$ mil or more a season or something like that? Is he all of a sudden going to have no drops the next 2 years? |
I'm guessing you were being sarcastic, but I expect that is exactly what he believes. He honestly thinks he is going to be the greatest ever and if he can prove it, he will deserve more than TE or WR money into that mythical category of "playmaker" money.
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mikeyfarley
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| spilltray wrote: | | mikeyfarley wrote: | | Does he think he'll easily have 2 straight All-Pro seasons then get 10$ mil or more a season or something like that? Is he all of a sudden going to have no drops the next 2 years? |
I'm guessing you were being sarcastic, but I expect that is exactly what he believes. He honestly thinks he is going to be the greatest ever and if he can prove it, he will deserve more than TE or WR money into that mythical category of "playmaker" money. |
It seems like something only a person with a massive ego would do. If he's lucky, he'll be worth about the same money per year that he is now. It's just that a long term deal he could get 2 years from now he'll be less likely to complete the contract.
Great move by the packers though. If he plays great they got a great TE for two years, then can get a big comp pick later. If he plays around the same as last year or worse, he might not be able to get a long term deal then. Either way they can spend a mid round pick or two on other TEs and find his replacement before 2014.
If he's really bad this year the Packers can cut him instead of paying 8$ mil in 2013, he'd be left with close to nothing(compared to the money he could have made this FA) and wouldn't be able to get a big contract at all. That is unless a big chunk of that 2013 salary is guaranteed.
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Packerraymond
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| mikeyfarley wrote: | Finley and his agent are idiots. He could have at least got 6$ mil a year on a long term deal with at least 10$ mil guaranteed upfront.
Marcedes Lewis had similar numbers in 2010 and got a contract for 5 years 35$ million. He got more guaranteed money ($17 mil) than Finley will get for this whole contract.
So many things can go wrong in two years it doesn't make much sense. Does he think he'll easily have 2 straight All-Pro seasons then get 10$ mil or more a season or something like that? Is he all of a sudden going to have no drops the next 2 years? |
To be fair, Finley hasnt even turned 25 yet, by the time this deal runs out he will be almost 27 and that is usually the prime of an athletes career. I don't think Finley wanted to leave McCarthy's offense that utilizes him so well or Aaron Rodgers at QB, but the FO was not willing to give him the long-term deal he felt he was worth, so they settled on a "proving ground" contract of sorts.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| mikeyfarley wrote: | Finley and his agent are idiots. He could have at least got 6$ mil a year on a long term deal with at least 10$ mil guaranteed upfront.
Marcedes Lewis had similar numbers in 2010 and got a contract for 5 years 35$ million. He got more guaranteed money ($17 mil) than Finley will get for this whole contract.
So many things can go wrong in two years it doesn't make much sense. Does he think he'll easily have 2 straight All-Pro seasons then get 10$ mil or more a season or something like that? Is he all of a sudden going to have no drops the next 2 years? |
Marcedes Lewis is on a terrible team. Of course he's going to get paid big, on the other hand, Finley's on a great team with the best QB in the league.
So, maybe it's not all about money? Maybe he actually cares about greatness and winning championships? And it's not like he didn't get paid good money either.
Good signing.
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Good deal for both sides. God I hope the Packers aren't able to tag'N'trade Flynn now. (The rich get richer thing) 
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Finley is a great athlete who has problems catching the football. If he can figure it out he's going to be up there in talks for #1 TE in the league. Remember he was out and not with the team at all for most of 2010 and he had no mini-camps and such in 2011. I hope he improves but either way this signing is good for both sides. He gets money between WR and TE and the Packers didn't have to use their tag. These should be the years where he would be in his prime judging by the number other TEs have put up. Tag and trade for Flynn now 
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| Mercury22 wrote: | Good signing.
What people miss so much when it comes to Finley is that his value is way beyond his ability to catch the ball or not. Yes, it would be nice if he had Cris Carter like hands. He doesn't. What makes him worth every single penny of this contract is the fact that he is a defensive coordinators nightmare...he is a mismatch monster. He is way too big for a corner to cover and way too fast for a LB. What that means is he nearly requires double coverage or at the very least extra attention in the defensive scheming.
In other words, Finley's skill set allows Green Bay to do many of the things it does. He is an important piece to the offense, even if he doesn't catch every ball thrown his way, or even if he misses a game from time to time with injury.
On top of that, if he ever learns to find the handle on the ball with that size/speed ratio, the league won't be able to stop him.
I think it was smart for both Finley and GB to get this deal done. |
Reading this post from a Miami fan *should* allow everyone to see the perfect sense everything you said makes.
I've made this point before, but since I carry a Packer avy I feel the point is lost on most.
Well said, Merc. |
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Good signing for the Packers. It's a short contract so that's good for Green Bay just in case he doesn't become a more consistently good player. If he improves, then they can sign him to a long-term deal. And if he doesn't improve, they can let him go in two years.
Although Finley's not quite as good as many Packers fans would lead you to believe, I still think he could have gotten a longer contract offer from another team.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Honestly most of his drops were just Rodgers throwing the ball too hard.
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Size of Megatron
Speed of Randy Moss
Hands of Troy Williamson
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| Uncle Buck wrote: | Size of Megatron
Speed of Randy Moss
Hands of Troy Williamson
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Are we playing a game where we make 3 comparisons that make zero sense or something? |
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| incognito_man wrote: | | Mercury22 wrote: | Good signing.
What people miss so much when it comes to Finley is that his value is way beyond his ability to catch the ball or not. Yes, it would be nice if he had Cris Carter like hands. He doesn't. What makes him worth every single penny of this contract is the fact that he is a defensive coordinators nightmare...he is a mismatch monster. He is way too big for a corner to cover and way too fast for a LB. What that means is he nearly requires double coverage or at the very least extra attention in the defensive scheming.
In other words, Finley's skill set allows Green Bay to do many of the things it does. He is an important piece to the offense, even if he doesn't catch every ball thrown his way, or even if he misses a game from time to time with injury.
On top of that, if he ever learns to find the handle on the ball with that size/speed ratio, the league won't be able to stop him.
I think it was smart for both Finley and GB to get this deal done. |
Reading this post from a Miami fan *should* allow everyone to see the perfect sense everything you said makes.
I've made this point before, but since I carry a Packer avy I feel the point is lost on most.
Well said, Merc. |
Thanks, incognito_man. Truth is, I understand why people see/focus on his deficits, because his average hands stick out, but a significant reason Jordy Nelson and/or Greg Jennings ALWAYS seem to be open, is because Safeties may have to account for Finley when he just got finished burning a LB up the seam.
I had hopes for Finley hitting the market and Miami getting a shot at him, but honestly, I just couldn't believe the Pack would let him walk.
On a side note, the mere fact that Finley and the Packers organization were starting to debate whether Finley is a TE or WR speaks to the very thing we are saying. When was the last time any other TE got confused for a WR?
Anyway, good signing. The Pack look like they will be a solid, solid club for some time.
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