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| I would expect Rosenfels deal to be around $1 to $1.5 million. Cant be that much for a 3rd string QB. |
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| SteelKing728 wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: | Per Adam Shefter
| Quote: | | All that money goes to 28 other teams -- $1.6 million each -- except for Saints and Raiders, who don't get any but don't lose any. |
Thanks to the Cowboys and the Skins, our cap just went up to roughly 24.6 Million.  |
Well how much did we just spend on Sage Rosenfels?
do you think his numbers are greater than 1.6 mil? |
No financial terms yet.
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| ArcticNorseman wrote: | Purplexing Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:01 am Post subject:
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With Kalil almost a certainty at #3, the Vikings can avoid looking for a G high in the draft, letting the current OL compete for the OG spots.
One of the young Gs and perhaps CJohnson might do well with help from Kalil and Sullivan.
The point of having 5 Olinemen is that they stand on their own while working as a unit. No team in the NFL will be successful using double-teams to "help" a guy who can't perform his assignment. Guard isn't the glamor position, but no one needs to convince me that going up against Suh, Raji and other DTs is one tough task.
One of the reasons the Vikes have been limited offensively the past 2 years is that someone was always helping block up front . . . McKinney or Loadholt being too slow for speed rushers or blitzers . . . 'Sass was there to chip/chop. A DT tearing up the interior? Double-teams were deployed to minimize that threat and then the passing game went to dink n dunk.
IF the Vikes don't land a top guard in FA . . . the better darn well draft someone who will push for a starting job! |
I guess this is why in my latest mock draft I had the Vikings 2 OG's in the 2nd and 3rd rounds..
Kelechi Osemele - 6'5" 333 lbs.
Brandon Brooks - 6'5" 346 lbs. ( and he ran the 40 in 4.98 as well )
Now these 2 guys along with Matt Kalil, Sullivan and Loadholt could become a very good ( and maybe even great ) O-line for the next few years  . |
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3 OL in the first 3 rounds ......
That great OL will be sitting on the bench as opposing QBs chew up clock time since they dont help getting the team off the feild on 3rd downs. |
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I'd rather grab another tackle in the middle rounds to be honest, that way you have insurance for Loadholt's expiring contract, and if you do keep him he could play inside as well.
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| minnvikes22 wrote: | | ArcticNorseman wrote: | Purplexing Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:01 am Post subject:
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With Kalil almost a certainty at #3, the Vikings can avoid looking for a G high in the draft, letting the current OL compete for the OG spots.
One of the young Gs and perhaps CJohnson might do well with help from Kalil and Sullivan.
The point of having 5 Olinemen is that they stand on their own while working as a unit. No team in the NFL will be successful using double-teams to "help" a guy who can't perform his assignment. Guard isn't the glamor position, but no one needs to convince me that going up against Suh, Raji and other DTs is one tough task.
One of the reasons the Vikes have been limited offensively the past 2 years is that someone was always helping block up front . . . McKinney or Loadholt being too slow for speed rushers or blitzers . . . 'Sass was there to chip/chop. A DT tearing up the interior? Double-teams were deployed to minimize that threat and then the passing game went to dink n dunk.
IF the Vikes don't land a top guard in FA . . . the better darn well draft someone who will push for a starting job! |
I guess this is why in my latest mock draft I had the Vikings 2 OG's in the 2nd and 3rd rounds..
Kelechi Osemele - 6'5" 333 lbs.
Brandon Brooks - 6'5" 346 lbs. ( and he ran the 40 in 4.98 as well )
Now these 2 guys along with Matt Kalil, Sullivan and Loadholt could become a very good ( and maybe even great ) O-line for the next few years . |
At one point in time, DeGeare, Berger, Loadholt, Fusco, etc. were drafted assuming they would develop into studs, or at least serviceable Gs'.
There was some talk here of DeGeare being a G for many years. What happened?
If Osemele and Brooks don't pan out as you hoped after 1 year, do the Vikings draft more Gs in 2013?
What makes a 2nd rd pick and 3rd rd pick in 2012 any different from Gs selected a year ago? a few years ago?
Patience.
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| Purplexing wrote: | | minnvikes22 wrote: | | ArcticNorseman wrote: | Purplexing Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:01 am Post subject:
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With Kalil almost a certainty at #3, the Vikings can avoid looking for a G high in the draft, letting the current OL compete for the OG spots.
One of the young Gs and perhaps CJohnson might do well with help from Kalil and Sullivan.
The point of having 5 Olinemen is that they stand on their own while working as a unit. No team in the NFL will be successful using double-teams to "help" a guy who can't perform his assignment. Guard isn't the glamor position, but no one needs to convince me that going up against Suh, Raji and other DTs is one tough task.
One of the reasons the Vikes have been limited offensively the past 2 years is that someone was always helping block up front . . . McKinney or Loadholt being too slow for speed rushers or blitzers . . . 'Sass was there to chip/chop. A DT tearing up the interior? Double-teams were deployed to minimize that threat and then the passing game went to dink n dunk.
IF the Vikes don't land a top guard in FA . . . the better darn well draft someone who will push for a starting job! |
I guess this is why in my latest mock draft I had the Vikings 2 OG's in the 2nd and 3rd rounds..
Kelechi Osemele - 6'5" 333 lbs.
Brandon Brooks - 6'5" 346 lbs. ( and he ran the 40 in 4.98 as well )
Now these 2 guys along with Matt Kalil, Sullivan and Loadholt could become a very good ( and maybe even great ) O-line for the next few years . |
At one point in time, DeGeare, Berger, Loadholt, Fusco, etc. were drafted assuming they would develop into studs, or at least serviceable Gs'.
There was some talk here of DeGeare being a G for many years. What happened?
If Osemele and Brooks don't pan out as you hoped after 1 year, do the Vikings draft more Gs in 2013?
What makes a 2nd rd pick and 3rd rd pick in 2012 any different from Gs selected a year ago? a few years ago?
Patience. |
Great post! 
With Hutch and Herrera gone, I think we could see a 4 way battle for these 2 spots if we don't go after a huge name like Ben Grubbs or Carl Nicks. Realistically, I don't see that happening.
DeGeare, Love, Fusco and Berger. May the best 2 men win!
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The Gnat
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| SteelKing728 wrote: | | Purplexing wrote: | | minnvikes22 wrote: | | ArcticNorseman wrote: | Purplexing Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:01 am Post subject:
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With Kalil almost a certainty at #3, the Vikings can avoid looking for a G high in the draft, letting the current OL compete for the OG spots.
One of the young Gs and perhaps CJohnson might do well with help from Kalil and Sullivan.
The point of having 5 Olinemen is that they stand on their own while working as a unit. No team in the NFL will be successful using double-teams to "help" a guy who can't perform his assignment. Guard isn't the glamor position, but no one needs to convince me that going up against Suh, Raji and other DTs is one tough task.
One of the reasons the Vikes have been limited offensively the past 2 years is that someone was always helping block up front . . . McKinney or Loadholt being too slow for speed rushers or blitzers . . . 'Sass was there to chip/chop. A DT tearing up the interior? Double-teams were deployed to minimize that threat and then the passing game went to dink n dunk.
IF the Vikes don't land a top guard in FA . . . the better darn well draft someone who will push for a starting job! |
I guess this is why in my latest mock draft I had the Vikings 2 OG's in the 2nd and 3rd rounds..
Kelechi Osemele - 6'5" 333 lbs.
Brandon Brooks - 6'5" 346 lbs. ( and he ran the 40 in 4.98 as well )
Now these 2 guys along with Matt Kalil, Sullivan and Loadholt could become a very good ( and maybe even great ) O-line for the next few years . |
At one point in time, DeGeare, Berger, Loadholt, Fusco, etc. were drafted assuming they would develop into studs, or at least serviceable Gs'.
There was some talk here of DeGeare being a G for many years. What happened?
If Osemele and Brooks don't pan out as you hoped after 1 year, do the Vikings draft more Gs in 2013?
What makes a 2nd rd pick and 3rd rd pick in 2012 any different from Gs selected a year ago? a few years ago?
Patience. |
Great post!
With Hutch and Herrera gone, I think we could see a 5 way battle for these 2 spots if we don't go after a huge name like Ben Grubbs or Carl Nicks. Realistically, I don't see that happening.
Charlie Johnson,DeGeare, Love, Fusco and Berger. May the best 2 men win! |
At least what I'm hearing from local media, Charlie Johnson will get a chance as well.
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| The Gnat wrote: | | SteelKing728 wrote: | | Purplexing wrote: | | minnvikes22 wrote: | | ArcticNorseman wrote: | Purplexing Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:01 am Post subject:
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With Kalil almost a certainty at #3, the Vikings can avoid looking for a G high in the draft, letting the current OL compete for the OG spots.
One of the young Gs and perhaps CJohnson might do well with help from Kalil and Sullivan.
The point of having 5 Olinemen is that they stand on their own while working as a unit. No team in the NFL will be successful using double-teams to "help" a guy who can't perform his assignment. Guard isn't the glamor position, but no one needs to convince me that going up against Suh, Raji and other DTs is one tough task.
One of the reasons the Vikes have been limited offensively the past 2 years is that someone was always helping block up front . . . McKinney or Loadholt being too slow for speed rushers or blitzers . . . 'Sass was there to chip/chop. A DT tearing up the interior? Double-teams were deployed to minimize that threat and then the passing game went to dink n dunk.
IF the Vikes don't land a top guard in FA . . . the better darn well draft someone who will push for a starting job! |
I guess this is why in my latest mock draft I had the Vikings 2 OG's in the 2nd and 3rd rounds..
Kelechi Osemele - 6'5" 333 lbs.
Brandon Brooks - 6'5" 346 lbs. ( and he ran the 40 in 4.98 as well )
Now these 2 guys along with Matt Kalil, Sullivan and Loadholt could become a very good ( and maybe even great ) O-line for the next few years . |
At one point in time, DeGeare, Berger, Loadholt, Fusco, etc. were drafted assuming they would develop into studs, or at least serviceable Gs'.
There was some talk here of DeGeare being a G for many years. What happened?
If Osemele and Brooks don't pan out as you hoped after 1 year, do the Vikings draft more Gs in 2013?
What makes a 2nd rd pick and 3rd rd pick in 2012 any different from Gs selected a year ago? a few years ago?
Patience. |
Great post!
With Hutch and Herrera gone, I think we could see a 5 way battle for these 2 spots if we don't go after a huge name like Ben Grubbs or Carl Nicks. Realistically, I don't see that happening.
Charlie Johnson,DeGeare, Love, Fusco and Berger. May the best 2 men win! |
At least what I'm hearing from local media, Charlie Johnson will get a chance as well. |
I'd prefer him as a backup LT to (hopefully) Matt Kalil. Otherwise we don't have a decent backup behind him, right?
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| SteelKing728 wrote: | | The Gnat wrote: | | SteelKing728 wrote: | | Purplexing wrote: | | minnvikes22 wrote: | | ArcticNorseman wrote: | Purplexing Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:01 am Post subject:
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With Kalil almost a certainty at #3, the Vikings can avoid looking for a G high in the draft, letting the current OL compete for the OG spots.
One of the young Gs and perhaps CJohnson might do well with help from Kalil and Sullivan.
The point of having 5 Olinemen is that they stand on their own while working as a unit. No team in the NFL will be successful using double-teams to "help" a guy who can't perform his assignment. Guard isn't the glamor position, but no one needs to convince me that going up against Suh, Raji and other DTs is one tough task.
One of the reasons the Vikes have been limited offensively the past 2 years is that someone was always helping block up front . . . McKinney or Loadholt being too slow for speed rushers or blitzers . . . 'Sass was there to chip/chop. A DT tearing up the interior? Double-teams were deployed to minimize that threat and then the passing game went to dink n dunk.
IF the Vikes don't land a top guard in FA . . . the better darn well draft someone who will push for a starting job! |
I guess this is why in my latest mock draft I had the Vikings 2 OG's in the 2nd and 3rd rounds..
Kelechi Osemele - 6'5" 333 lbs.
Brandon Brooks - 6'5" 346 lbs. ( and he ran the 40 in 4.98 as well )
Now these 2 guys along with Matt Kalil, Sullivan and Loadholt could become a very good ( and maybe even great ) O-line for the next few years . |
At one point in time, DeGeare, Berger, Loadholt, Fusco, etc. were drafted assuming they would develop into studs, or at least serviceable Gs'.
There was some talk here of DeGeare being a G for many years. What happened?
If Osemele and Brooks don't pan out as you hoped after 1 year, do the Vikings draft more Gs in 2013?
What makes a 2nd rd pick and 3rd rd pick in 2012 any different from Gs selected a year ago? a few years ago?
Patience. |
Great post!
With Hutch and Herrera gone, I think we could see a 5 way battle for these 2 spots if we don't go after a huge name like Ben Grubbs or Carl Nicks. Realistically, I don't see that happening.
Charlie Johnson,DeGeare, Love, Fusco and Berger. May the best 2 men win! |
At least what I'm hearing from local media, Charlie Johnson will get a chance as well. |
I'd prefer him as a backup LT to (hopefully) Matt Kalil. Otherwise we don't have a decent backup behind him, right? |
We have a guy named Brown, and I think that Love also has backed up the position. I think if Johnson got the LG spot and Kalil missed time, Johnson would slide outside and then we'd drop someone else into LG, so he would be the back-up but he can help the team at LG as well.
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| Johnson can still backup Kalil, and start at LG. If Kalil cant play for any reason, Johnson would slide back to LT while Berger would probably start at LG (assuming Berger is the #3 OG). |
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If the Vikings draft Kalil, the backups to him will be Patrick Brown and DeMarcus Love. I can envision Love as being our new version of Artis Hicks (if he's not starting at one of the G positions), being able to back up both G and T positions.
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| disaacs wrote: | | If the Vikings draft Kalil, the backups to him will be Patrick Brown and DeMarcus Love. I can envision Love as being our new version of Artis Hicks (if he's not starting at one of the G positions), being able to back up both G and T positions. |
I see Love as the most likely to start at RG, assuming MN doesnt add a guard in free agency or within the first couple rounds of the draft.
Brown is just a camp body. Honestly, MN could probably get away with carrying 8 Olineman given the versatility of Johnson/Berger/Love/Fusco being able to play multiple positions. |
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | disaacs wrote: | | If the Vikings draft Kalil, the backups to him will be Patrick Brown and DeMarcus Love. I can envision Love as being our new version of Artis Hicks (if he's not starting at one of the G positions), being able to back up both G and T positions. |
I see Love as the most likely to start at RG, assuming MN doesnt add a guard in free agency or within the first couple rounds of the draft.
Brown is just a camp body. Honestly, MN could probably get away with carrying 8 Olineman given the versatility of Johnson/Berger/Love/Fusco being able to play multiple positions. |
I don't think Brown is just a camp body. You don't resign him early as an exclusive rights FA if he's just a camp body. I think they view him as a long-term backup.
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| disaacs wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | | disaacs wrote: | | If the Vikings draft Kalil, the backups to him will be Patrick Brown and DeMarcus Love. I can envision Love as being our new version of Artis Hicks (if he's not starting at one of the G positions), being able to back up both G and T positions. |
I see Love as the most likely to start at RG, assuming MN doesnt add a guard in free agency or within the first couple rounds of the draft.
Brown is just a camp body. Honestly, MN could probably get away with carrying 8 Olineman given the versatility of Johnson/Berger/Love/Fusco being able to play multiple positions. |
I don't think Brown is just a camp body. You don't resign him early as an exclusive rights FA if he's just a camp body. I think they view him as a long-term backup. |
Fairly common to resign ERFA's, nothing out of the ordinary to suggest that he is just a fringe player. Id look to the later rounds to perhaps add another OT, to potentially push Brown and Loadholt. |
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