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vikingsrule
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its not going to open, if anything, MN should focus on improving its Safetys over its CBs due to the scheme that we play in.
I like Claiborne and would be quite happy with him at 3, but he would be spending half his time in zone covering the short area of the field, that just isnt worth it for the 3rd overall pick.
in the Giants case, they run most man, they need talent in the form of 1st rd picks. MN needs CBs who can fit the scheme, but that doesnt mean they have to spend an early pick on one. Guys like Chase Minnifield (nickel), Stephon Gilmore, Dwight Bentley (nickel) and Casey Hayward look like ideal Cover 2 fits. Id love Claiborne and he offers scheme flexibility, but lets not kid ourselves, we are a cover 2 team at heart. The Bears have had a lot of success with this defense the past decade, and they havent had great CBs.
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milanb
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Two reasons why the Viking's won't take Claiborne:
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JDBrocks
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| vikingsrule wrote: | its not going to open, if anything, MN should focus on improving its Safetys over its CBs due to the scheme that we play in.
I like Claiborne and would be quite happy with him at 3, but he would be spending half his time in zone covering the short area of the field, that just isnt worth it for the 3rd overall pick.
in the Giants case, they run most man, they need talent in the form of 1st rd picks. MN needs CBs who can fit the scheme, but that doesnt mean they have to spend an early pick on one. Guys like Chase Minnifield, Dwight Bentley and Casey Hayward look like ideal Cover 2 fits. Id love Claiborne and he offers scheme flexibility, but lets not kid ourselves, we are a cover 2 team at heart. The Bears have had a lot of success with this defense the past decade, and they havent had great CBs. |
Drafting and signing guys that fit the scheme has put the Vikings in their current situation. Talent matters.
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Frank Costello
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:27 am Post subject: |
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I have used the 'Cover-2' excuse myself, for that I am guilty. But that doesn't matter what so ever when you consider who we face now, 6 times a year.
We also don't strictly run a pure cover 2 system, you guys should know this.
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| Frank Costello wrote: | | Virginia Viking wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: | I also want people to understand that Kalil isn't as much of a sure thing as most believe. I take a look at a guy like Da'Brick out in NY. He struggled mightily at times this year, and he was one heck of a prospect.
Give me Mo. |
Ferguson is one of the three best tackles in football!! He struggled, compared to his potential, his rookie season because he was underweight (reportedly he weighed less than 290 lbs.) He bulked up after his rookie year and has been dominant since. |
He struggled at times this year as well. Go ask some Jet fans. Their Line was anything but solid in the first half of the year. |
Due to injuries. |
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Frank Costello
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| Virginia Viking wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: | | Virginia Viking wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: | I also want people to understand that Kalil isn't as much of a sure thing as most believe. I take a look at a guy like Da'Brick out in NY. He struggled mightily at times this year, and he was one heck of a prospect.
Give me Mo. |
Ferguson is one of the three best tackles in football!! He struggled, compared to his potential, his rookie season because he was underweight (reportedly he weighed less than 290 lbs.) He bulked up after his rookie year and has been dominant since. |
He struggled at times this year as well. Go ask some Jet fans. Their Line was anything but solid in the first half of the year. |
Due to injuries. |
To their C, but not to him. He started every game.
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vikingsrule
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| Frank Costello wrote: | I have used the 'Cover-2' excuse myself, for that I am guilty. But that doesn't matter what so ever when you consider who we face now, 6 times a year.
We also don't strictly run a pure cover 2 system, you guys should know this. |
no we arent a pure cover2 team, but id guess we will be more cover 2 this year than last year since Alan Williams is running the defense vs fred Pagac.
i do agree with the post above, adding talent is key and that is why i would be content taking Claiborne. I just think Kalil is a better pick for this team as there are decent CBs who can be had in round 2 and round 3 but there is nothing at LT. Id rather get constantly torched this year by teams than seeing Ponder taking beating after beating again. |
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Frank Costello
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:52 am Post subject: |
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: | I have used the 'Cover-2' excuse myself, for that I am guilty. But that doesn't matter what so ever when you consider who we face now, 6 times a year.
We also don't strictly run a pure cover 2 system, you guys should know this. |
no we arent a pure cover2 team, but id guess we will be more cover 2 this year than last year since Alan Williams is running the defense vs fred Pagac.
i do agree with the post above, adding talent is key and that is why i would be content taking Claiborne. I just think Kalil is a better pick for this team as there are decent CBs who can be had in round 2 and round 3 but there is nothing at LT. Id rather get constantly torched this year by teams than seeing Ponder taking beating after beating again. |
This was my thought until yesterday. We play against 3 teams with more WR talent then almost any other division n the league. We also happen to have the worst secondary in the NFL.
If we rely on a 2nd round guy, we're taking a HUGE gamble leading into next season. Cook was starting to look good for us, but remind you it was his second season. He was garbage in his first year. ( Injuries played a role in that)
Mo is the best defensive talent in this draft. He is as close to the sure thing we will get at 3, along with Kalil. I've just never been a fan of drafting OL high, when there are tons of HOF caliber guys who got drafted late. Not so much with CBs.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| milanb wrote: | Two reasons why the Viking's won't take Claiborne:
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Ponder doesn't draft.
Just because we drafted a QB last year in the 1st round doesn't mean much. We can still take Claiborne if we feel he's the best option.
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| Virginia Viking wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: | I also want people to understand that Kalil isn't as much of a sure thing as most believe. I take a look at a guy like Da'Brick out in NY. He struggled mightily at times this year, and he was one heck of a prospect.
Give me Mo. |
Ferguson is one of the three best tackles in football!! He struggled, compared to his potential, his rookie season because he was underweight (reportedly he weighed less than 290 lbs.) He bulked up after his rookie year and has been dominant since. |
And Sanchez (a sturdier version of Ponder) still can't get it done. Even with Kalil I don't see Ponder staying healthy or productive past week 3. A 3rd or 4th rd OT will suffice once Webb takes over.
I'm all about CBs and WRs this draft, so for me it comes down to Claiborne and Blackmon. I'm not worried about having an overqualified CB in our Cover-2 D vs NFC North passing attacks so I'll take Claiborne and wait for the best WR available in the 2nd. If there's a run on WRs in the 1st, we pick best CB SS OT available in 2nd and load up on 3rd and 4th rd WRs.
If Rick Spewman is reading this: Yo, go Mo! |
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Frank Costello
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| DJC71 wrote: | | Virginia Viking wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: | I also want people to understand that Kalil isn't as much of a sure thing as most believe. I take a look at a guy like Da'Brick out in NY. He struggled mightily at times this year, and he was one heck of a prospect.
Give me Mo. |
Ferguson is one of the three best tackles in football!! He struggled, compared to his potential, his rookie season because he was underweight (reportedly he weighed less than 290 lbs.) He bulked up after his rookie year and has been dominant since. |
And Sanchez (a sturdier version of Ponder) still can't get it done. Even with Kalil I don't see Ponder staying healthy or productive past week 3. A 3rd or 4th rd OT will suffice once Webb takes over.
I'm all about CBs and WRs this draft, so for me it comes down to Claiborne and Blackmon. I'm not worried about having an overqualified CB in our Cover-2 D vs NFC North passing attacks so I'll take Claiborne and wait for the best WR available in the 2nd. If there's a run on WRs in the 1st, we pick best CB SS OT available in 2nd and load up on 3rd and 4th rd WRs.
If Rick Spewman is reading this: Yo, go Mo! |
DJC71, post more buddy. 
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vikingsrule
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If Ponder isnt given a fair shot (i mean fair as in not getting creamed every other drop back), we just going to judge him poorly and demand for a new QB. I want to upgrade the pieces around him immediately, so we can truly judge him as a QB. Taking Claiborne hinders that ability and were likely putting him in a situation where he either sinks or swims. I have more faith in the round 2 CBs than any of the round 2 LTs. Seriously, the LTs stink this year after Kalil, Martin and Reiff. Heck, Mike Adams has about the same athleticism as Phil Loadholt.  |
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thestonedkoala
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| If we move down to grab Claiborne, I think that would be okay... |
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CriminalMind
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | If Ponder isnt given a fair shot (i mean fair as in not getting creamed every other drop back), we just going to judge him poorly and demand for a new QB. I want to upgrade the pieces around him immediately, so we can truly judge him as a QB. Taking Claiborne hinders that ability and were likely putting him in a situation where he either sinks or swims. I have more faith in the round 2 CBs than any of the round 2 LTs. Seriously, the LTs stink this year after Kalil, Martin and Reiff. Heck, Mike Adams has about the same athleticism as Phil Loadholt. |
So we should spend the #3 pick in the 2012 draft to try and give our #12 pick in the 2011 draft a fair shot?
sounds like great asset management there.
Thats like 2 high picks on a QB who has a low ceiling, when we could have just rolled with Webb all along and took Nick Fairley last year and Claiborne this year. |
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vikingsrule
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| thestonedkoala wrote: | | If we move down to grab Claiborne, I think that would be okay... |
that isnt an option. Claiborne probably wont fall past the Bucs at 5 or the Rams at 6. Who is going to trade up? |
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