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Purplexing
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| Purplexing wrote: | | this providence wrote: | | wcblack34 wrote: | | Not really, it speaks more to the needs of the teams within striking distance of the top 5 picks. |
If he was really a once in a decade type of prospect that some claim him to be and LT was really a position that some make it out to be, teams would be chomping at the bit to trade up to get him where ever they are in the draft. Much like Washington moving up for RGIII. And when you consider the Vikings are literally begging to move down and there's been zero interest in the pick, with some even going so far as to wonder if a team would trade up for an average QB prospect like Tannehill at #3, it further reinforces my opinion on the player and position. |
Few people would call Kalil a once in a decade prospect. Maybe twice in a decade?; i.e. two such quality LTs might be available in a decade.
Teams that are within striking distance, which would not have to yield a huge bounty, might be interested. But the Supply-Demand dynamic is that there aren't many such teams close to pick 3 except MN and maybe St.L.
Anything Washington does is not to be considered normal. But in this case, they badly need a QBOTF, which they've missed for several years.
Zero interest in the pick? We won't know for certain until it is made. |
I hope to clarify my remarks for those who misunderstood...
1st: I addressed the minority opinion that Kalil is a once-in-a-decade OT. The demand for Kalil is based on more than a minority opinion; i.e. a combination of all opinions in the market.
2nd: A comparison of a QB and an OLT is not proper to determine demand for trading up. Team needs factor into demand for a player. Washington is desperate for a QBOTF. Other teams are not desperate for an OLTOTF. But teams within striking distance might trade up a few spots. The premium they would pay is smaller than the one paid by Washington.
3rd: This is hyperbole about the situation.
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this providence
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And he still can't get enough of himself so he needs to quote... himself.  |
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ericj5959
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it looks like our draft will go
Round 1 CB/OT
Round 2 CB/OT
Round 3 WR |
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The Gnat
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| ericj5959 wrote: | it looks like our draft will go
Round 1 CB/OT
Round 2 CB/OT
Round 3 WR |
I would say it would be slightly different:
Round 1 OT/CB
Round 2 DB/OT
Round 3 WR/DB
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ArcticNorseman
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Did anyone else read Wes Bunting's mock draft 5.0 . . . he has the Vikes taking Claiborne at #3 . . . ok, cool, but I still think Kalil has more long term value to the organization.
But, the really wild part is he has Miami trading up to grab Kalil at #4 and then Cleveland taking Tannehill at #8 . . . whacked!
Miami's going to go the year without a rookie QB? I guess stranger things have happend  |
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CriminalMind
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| The Gnat wrote: | | ericj5959 wrote: | it looks like our draft will go
Round 1 CB/OT
Round 2 CB/OT
Round 3 WR |
I would say it would be slightly different:
Round 1 OT/CB
Round 2 DB/OT
Round 3 WR/DB
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Round 1 OT/CB
Round 2 DB/OT
Round 3 WR/DB
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This is how I would rather it, given these specific options. |
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Frank Costello
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20120321_nfl_draft_claiborne_is_the_smart_play_for_vikings
| Quote: | Take your pick if you are the Vikings, because you will get real talent picking No.3 overall. That’s not an issue here.
My opinion? Run up to the podium on the opening night of the draft and select Claiborne. A premier prospect that can develop into a top tier player at the position in a league that loves to throw the football.
I understand this is a deep class at the CB position. Miss out on Claiborne and there are plenty of prospects the Vikings could target with early to mid round grades. However, with Claiborne, we are talking about a talent that is the No.2 overall player on the NFP Big Board. Size, length and the ability (plus technique) to play both press and off-man coverage.
And when it comes to scheme and the Xs and Os of the Vikings defensive playbook, it doesn't matter how much Tampa 2 (or Cover 3) they play on Sundays. Every secondary still has to line up, play man coverage, take away inside breaking routes and shut down offensive playmakers in crucial game situations. But you need legit talent at CB to get that done.
No question the Vikings will land an upgrade in the first round. There is enough talent at the top of this draft to find a first day starter that can be developed in Minnesota. But when I look at the QBs and the talent of the WRs in the NFC North, drafting Claiborne seems like the smart play from my perspective. |
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vikingsrule
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| ArcticNorseman wrote: | Did anyone else read Wes Bunting's mock draft 5.0 . . . he has the Vikes taking Claiborne at #3 . . . ok, cool, but I still think Kalil has more long term value to the organization.
But, the really wild part is he has Miami trading up to grab Kalil at #4 and then Cleveland taking Tannehill at #8 . . . whacked!
Miami's going to go the year without a rookie QB? I guess stranger things have happend |
Miami taking a RT 4th overall
ive heard it all. |
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Snake Plissken
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| Frank Costello wrote: | http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20120321_nfl_draft_claiborne_is_the_smart_play_for_vikings
| Quote: | Take your pick if you are the Vikings, because you will get real talent picking No.3 overall. That’s not an issue here.
My opinion? Run up to the podium on the opening night of the draft and select Claiborne. A premier prospect that can develop into a top tier player at the position in a league that loves to throw the football.
I understand this is a deep class at the CB position. Miss out on Claiborne and there are plenty of prospects the Vikings could target with early to mid round grades. However, with Claiborne, we are talking about a talent that is the No.2 overall player on the NFP Big Board. Size, length and the ability (plus technique) to play both press and off-man coverage.
And when it comes to scheme and the Xs and Os of the Vikings defensive playbook, it doesn't matter how much Tampa 2 (or Cover 3) they play on Sundays. Every secondary still has to line up, play man coverage, take away inside breaking routes and shut down offensive playmakers in crucial game situations. But you need legit talent at CB to get that done.
No question the Vikings will land an upgrade in the first round. There is enough talent at the top of this draft to find a first day starter that can be developed in Minnesota. But when I look at the QBs and the talent of the WRs in the NFC North, drafting Claiborne seems like the smart play from my perspective. |
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The guy makes a decent arguement for Claiborne, and why he should be considered. But it the highlighted part which makes me still favor Kalil. I just see the combination of Kalil and an early DB as the best way to add talent to this team.
Like most pro-Claiborne positions, Left Tackle isn't addressed. I see MAYBE Mike Adams (with questions about availability and ability to play LT) in round 2, or MAYBE Nate Potter (with questions about availability and ability to start as a rookie), or MAYBE Bell in FA (if they wanted him, they would be more serious about getting him) as the only solutions suggested.
For me it is hard to see Claiborne over Kalil, without the same solid options to upgrade the other big need position.
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Flounda
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| Quote: | Round 1 OT/CB
Round 2 DB/OT
Round 3 WR/DB
or
Round 1 OT/CB
Round 2 DB/OT
Round 3 WR/DB
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In relevance to this,
I feel like it would be
Round 1 OT/CB
Round 2 CB/WR(if Barron is available, I think they will take him)
Round 3 CB/WR
*If they don't draft Kalil, I don't think they want to draft one in the first 3 rounds. |
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PrplChilPill
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Flounda wrote: | | Quote: | Round 1 OT/CB
Round 2 DB/OT
Round 3 WR/DB
or
Round 1 OT/CB
Round 2 DB/OT
Round 3 WR/DB
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In relevance to this,
I feel like it would be
Round 1 OT/CB
Round 2 CB/WR(if Barron is available, I think they will take him)
Round 3 CB/WR
*If they don't draft Kalil, I don't think they want to draft one in the first 3 rounds. |
Agreed.
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Virginia Viking
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| PrplChilPill wrote: | | Flounda wrote: | | Quote: | Round 1 OT/CB
Round 2 DB/OT
Round 3 WR/DB
or
Round 1 OT/CB
Round 2 DB/OT
Round 3 WR/DB
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In relevance to this,
I feel like it would be
Round 1 OT/CB
Round 2 CB/WR(if Barron is available, I think they will take him)
Round 3 CB/WR
*If they don't draft Kalil, I don't think they want to draft one in the first 3 rounds. |
Agreed. |
I also agree. I would also like to add that while I am in favor of drafting Kalil, I would not be upset with drafting Claiborne. Either way, we get an starter who is an upgrade over what was at their position last season. The reason I would take Kalil over Claiborne is that I believe Kalil will have his position locked down for 10 years or more. DB's generally don't have the same kind of extended careers, playing at a high level as Olinemen have. |
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Flounda
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| The thing for me that makes me want Kalil, is that I know 100% that the pick will be right he will be a great tackle. With Claiborne, granted there is great up side, there is tiny bit of uncertainty because he wasn't better than Patrick Peterson and Peterson didn't do well, plus, we play a cover-2. If I knew for a fact Claiborne would be solid for years, like a Champ Bailey.(understand that's hard to do, but somewhere close to that) Then I would take Claiborne. |
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Snake Plissken
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To go along with what Virgina Viking and Flounda stated -- After going 3-13 this team needs to hit on pick 3 and add a couple players who can start or contribute. Although I like both Kalil and Claiborne, I think going with the LT is the safer pick. With a LT locked up we can take BPAs at need postions the rest of the draft, which I think is safer than trying to find a starting LT after round 1.
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PurpleMugen
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| Frank Costello wrote: | http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20120321_nfl_draft_claiborne_is_the_smart_play_for_vikings
| Quote: | Take your pick if you are the Vikings, because you will get real talent picking No.3 overall. That’s not an issue here.
My opinion? Run up to the podium on the opening night of the draft and select Claiborne. A premier prospect that can develop into a top tier player at the position in a league that loves to throw the football.
I understand this is a deep class at the CB position. Miss out on Claiborne and there are plenty of prospects the Vikings could target with early to mid round grades. However, with Claiborne, we are talking about a talent that is the No.2 overall player on the NFP Big Board. Size, length and the ability (plus technique) to play both press and off-man coverage.
And when it comes to scheme and the Xs and Os of the Vikings defensive playbook, it doesn't matter how much Tampa 2 (or Cover 3) they play on Sundays. Every secondary still has to line up, play man coverage, take away inside breaking routes and shut down offensive playmakers in crucial game situations. But you need legit talent at CB to get that done.
No question the Vikings will land an upgrade in the first round. There is enough talent at the top of this draft to find a first day starter that can be developed in Minnesota. But when I look at the QBs and the talent of the WRs in the NFC North, drafting Claiborne seems like the smart play from my perspective. |
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Wow, more and more people are coming around!
Glad to see it!
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