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| El Raymundo wrote: | | I know this will never happen, but just for the sake of asking, suppose the Vikings used the draft to build a top-notch OL, suffered through a mediocre-to-slightly-bad season again, then used next year's draft and free agency to focus on skill players and defense. Would building the foundations for a rock-solid OL all at once be such a bad idea? By next season the OL would have a year together blocking for the best RB in football and giving Ponder enough time to let Harvin and Rudolph work the secondaries. Then next season we focus on the DBs and WRs and a DT. |
I, for one, see this ^^^^^as a very smart strategy!! |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Virginia Viking wrote: | | I, for one, see this ^^^^^as a very smart strategy!! |
Absolutely, but given the track record of this regime and how they address their roster; well I don't see it. The chances of the Vikings taking Kalil and coming back with another guard in 2nd and/or 3rd is about as likely and I marrying Zooey Deschanel.
This is an entirely predictable front office. They'll draft Kalil and come back with a WR/CB. I'll go as far as saying you could set your watch to it. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| this providence wrote: | | Virginia Viking wrote: | | I, for one, see this ^^^^^as a very smart strategy!! |
Absolutely, but given the track record of this regime and how they address their roster; well I don't see it. The chances of the Vikings taking Kalil and coming back with another guard in 2nd and/or 3rd is about as likely and I marrying Zooey Deschanel.
This is an entirely predictable front office. They'll draft Kalil and come back with a WR/CB. I'll go as far as saying you could set your watch to it. |
Mmmm....Zooey 
As far as predictable, I don't know about that entirely. Very few expected Ponder and Rudolph to be our first two picks last year. The Rudolph pick especially gives me hope that they won't just shove CB's and WR's up their board, but that they'll truly take the best player available at #35. |
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| this providence wrote: | | Virginia Viking wrote: | | I, for one, see this ^^^^^as a very smart strategy!! |
Absolutely, but given the track record of this regime and how they address their roster; well I don't see it. The chances of the Vikings taking Kalil and coming back with another guard in 2nd and/or 3rd is about as likely and I marrying Zooey Deschanel.
This is an entirely predictable front office. They'll draft Kalil and come back with a WR/CB. I'll go as far as saying you could set your watch to it. |
I would agree, but we don't completely know how much of a hand Childress had in the drafts while he was hear, and Frazier last year (even though I feel like that was probably the first one where we say Spielman have the largest say in the room).
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| wcblack34 wrote: | | As far as predictable, I don't know about that entirely. Very few expected Ponder and Rudolph to be our first two picks last year. The Rudolph pick especially gives me hope that they won't just shove CB's and WR's up their board, but that they'll truly take the best player available at #35. |
For what it's worth, forcing the issue and selecting a QB at #12 last year was entirely predictable. And I said as much all offseason last year and why they shouldn't do it...
Rudolph was a bit off the board but given the Ponder selection, you could see why it was made. It's also why I see the team drafting a WR high. CB is so poor it'll obviously be addressed early as well. |
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It's 30 something, but how many of those Sacks are on Ponder and how many are on the Oline? Meaning, how many times did he hang onto the ball too long or roll out the wrong way? Like a Rookie QB would tend to do.Also how many times was Webb sacked? I rest my case. Ok , now I'm done.  |
You could also excuse some of the TDs against the Vikings secondary as simply outstanding play by the opponent.
If so, you could say that drafting Claiborne wouldn't prevent those TD passes.
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| Purplexing wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: |
It's 30 something, but how many of those Sacks are on Ponder and how many are on the Oline? Meaning, how many times did he hang onto the ball too long or roll out the wrong way? Like a Rookie QB would tend to do.Also how many times was Webb sacked? I rest my case. Ok , now I'm done. |
You could also excuse some of the TDs against the Vikings secondary as simply outstanding play by the opponent.
If so, you could say that drafting Claiborne wouldn't prevent those TD passes. |
Additionally, how many of those TD's were given up by one of our LB's, or occurred on screen passes to RB's? |
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| Purplexing wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: |
It's 30 something, but how many of those Sacks are on Ponder and how many are on the Oline? Meaning, how many times did he hang onto the ball too long or roll out the wrong way? Like a Rookie QB would tend to do.Also how many times was Webb sacked? I rest my case. Ok , now I'm done. |
You could also excuse some of the TDs against the Vikings secondary as simply outstanding play by the opponent.
If so, you could say that drafting Claiborne wouldn't prevent those TD passes. |
What secondary were you watching?
The Vikings' DBs consistently flopped miserably in coverage; it literally did not take much to beat them. For reference, Tim Tebow, by his lowly standards, lit them up.
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| PurpleMugen wrote: | | Purplexing wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: |
It's 30 something, but how many of those Sacks are on Ponder and how many are on the Oline? Meaning, how many times did he hang onto the ball too long or roll out the wrong way? Like a Rookie QB would tend to do.Also how many times was Webb sacked? I rest my case. Ok , now I'm done. |
You could also excuse some of the TDs against the Vikings secondary as simply outstanding play by the opponent.
If so, you could say that drafting Claiborne wouldn't prevent those TD passes. |
What secondary were you watching?
The Vikings' DBs consistently flopped miserably in coverage; it literally did not take much to beat them. For reference, Tim Tebow, by his lowly standards, lit them up. |
Hyperbole, again?
How many times? Could it be that not all of the TDs were the fault of the DBs, but some were the fault of LBs, or simply great plays by superb offensive players?
I agree that the Vikings DBs were not very good. But not all of the TD passes the Vikings yielded were their fault.
There are many players who could help the Vikings at pick #3, but the majority of people think the most effective player would be a top LT. There are reasons the LT might not be the best choice, but they would seem to be dependent on him failing to live up to expectations, as could be the case for ANY draft pick.
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Are we really going to argue which group gave up what TDs/big plays? Really?
Unit was, at best, one of the worst in the league last season. Not debatable either. Sadly, the same could be said for pretty much any unit on the team. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| this providence wrote: | Are we really going to argue which group gave up what TDs/big plays? Really?
Unit was, at best, one of the worst in the league last season. Not debatable either. Sadly, the same could be said for pretty much any unit on the team. |
Someone took this tack, and others tried to discredit the merit of that argument. Both sides could be argued without much proof available to win the argument.
It's best to move forward...
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While I agree that adding talent to a team, purely to have a more talented team isn't a bad thing, I'd have to say adding talent to the defensive side doesn't help.
Let's face it, Defenses don't play as big a part as they use to. Defenses still win championships ironically, but mainly because of the way football is played now though in an entirely different way.
If we were a better team, I'd be all for Claiborne. Seeing as how we are not a good team, we will benefit more from drafting Kalil in the short term, and long term.
I'll put it in a much more simplified way, your not gonna stop Green Bay from scoring, to many weapons, qb is to smart, and the coaching is to good. The only way to be in the game with Green Bay is to match them score for score and hope you have the ball last.
Build the team through the trenches, it won't change much at first but when you start making talent picks, things will click and click fast.
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| PurpleProwess wrote: | I'll put it in a much more simplified way, your not gonna stop Green Bay from scoring, to many weapons, qb is to smart, and the coaching is to good. The only way to be in the game with Green Bay is to match them score for score and hope you have the ball last.
Build the team through the trenches, it won't change much at first but when you start making talent picks, things will click and click fast. |
This is how I view things.
Fail to see how Kalil allows the Vikings to keep up with most any offense in the interim, or the long term. Doesn't make an impact in the run game, not enough in the pass blocking game either as the divisional teams do not offer much for a weak side pass rush. Add him to the already poor offensive line and they end up with a... slightly less poor offensive line?
In the grand scheme of things, those talent picks you referenced? This is the area of the draft where team's have their pick of players who are difference makers in that department. Believe Floyd or Blackmon are those players? Bite the bullet and make the pick. They had no qualms about doing so with Ponder. Should be the same reasoning here. Ponder is going to be running for his life regardless, so I believe they should move for a guy who can make a play with the ball in his hands immediately (and not wait for the 2-4th round WR to develop) rather than picking a player at a position that offers little in the grand scheme of things. Going with another position here does not preclude them for addressing offensive line in round 2-4 and they could easily find a LT there.
Whoever is going to be the LT is going to get help regardless given their apparent need to have two TEs on the field at all times. Makes much more sense to go that route, in my opinion. |
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| PurpleProwess wrote: | I'll put it in a much more simplified way, your not gonna stop Green Bay from scoring, to many weapons, qb is to smart, and the coaching is to good. The only way to be in the game with Green Bay is to match them score for score and hope you have the ball last.
Build the team through the trenches, it won't change much at first but when you start making talent picks, things will click and click fast. |
Well New York certainly disagrees. Rodgers threw 2 TDs? It's completely false to say that defenses don't matter anymore. With the impact of teams shifting to passing heavily, CBs are even more prized. More so then ever.
Sorry my friend, I just don't agree. And neither does the current state of the NFL.
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